McQuaid surpresses Aldag interview

[red_flanders]

the article linked by Dr Mas says that CN saw the receipt for the Machine that was bought .... not any evidence of how much the donation was or where it was from.

I dont doubt that the UCI spent the money on drug testing or whatever .... the fact that they accepted it at all is disgraceful, and is what Aldaig is complaining about.

I've never understood what the value of this receipt really is. From what I can recall, it was shown to the press but copies not given out. Strange.

And why is it that the fact that some item was bought for some amount which was sort of close to one of the amounts of the "donation(s)" is proof that this was the intent of the cash? It means nothing, unless there is some clarity on the timing, exact amount of "donations" etc. And that means little even if that all existed, which it pointedly does not.

If there were some bank record of Armstrong purchasing a Sysmex machine and then publicly donating it to the UCI, that would hold some sway. There is not.

I bought a guitar a few months ago. My wife, in vaguely the same time frame deposited roughly the same amount in our shared account. I can assure you there was no correlation.

It's all a bunch of misdirection bull****. "Lookie over here, receipts, Sysmex, anti-doping!" Too bad the other hand is holding an envelope marked "bribe".

 

[Granville57]

I bought a guitar a few months ago. My wife, in vaguely the same time frame deposited roughly the same amount in our shared account. I can assure you there was no correlation.

This you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2h0kw5ank&feature=context&context=C317e516UDOEgsToPDskIL0KT-HFf3x-UgvdfYKfMZ

 

[MarkvW]

the article linked by Dr Mas says that CN saw the receipt for the Machine that was bought .... not any evidence of how much the donation was or where it was from.

I dont doubt that the UCI spent the money on drug testing or whatever .... the fact that they accepted it at all is disgraceful, and is what Aldaig is complaining about.

I think Aldag is complaining as much about the lack of transparency surrounding the transaction. While the transaction is merely suspicious on the bribe issue, it is absolutely scandalous that the UCI would secretly take a gift from a competitor. What message does that send to the other competitors about the ethics and honor of the UCI?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I've never understood what the value of this receipt really is. From what I can recall, it was shown to the press but copies not given out. Strange.

And why is it that the fact that some item was bought for some amount which was sort of close to one of the amounts of the "donation(s)" is proof that this was the intent of the cash? It means nothing, unless there is some clarity on the timing, exact amount of "donations" etc. And that means little even if that all existed, which it pointedly does not.

If there were some bank record of Armstrong purchasing a Sysmex machine and then publicly donating it to the UCI, that would hold some sway. There is not.

I bought a guitar a few months ago. My wife, in vaguely the same time frame deposited roughly the same amount in our shared account. I can assure you there was no correlation.

It's all a bunch of misdirection bull****. "Lookie over here, receipts, Sysmex, anti-doping!" Too bad the other hand is holding an envelope marked "bribe".

Imagine if your wife suspected that instead of buying a guitar you spent it on meeting us all in the Yellow Rose and partied like it was 1999.

If you indeed did buy a guitar and were not at the Yellow Rose you would provide a receipt or some proof of purchase - if you were partying with us then the receipt was ate by your dog, never given to you, hand written in crayon......

Basically - the UCI can stop any rumours of them being corrupt by producing the receipts that would show what was bought and when that backs up their story.
The fact they failed to take this opportunity is because they are indeed corrupt.

 

[Polish]

the article linked by Dr Mas says that CN saw the receipt for the Machine that was bought .... not any evidence of how much the donation was or where it was from.

I dont doubt that the UCI spent the money on drug testing or whatever .... the fact that they accepted it at all is disgraceful, and is what Aldaig is complaining about.

Aldaig was racing when the chairman at Sysmex made the press announcement that Lance made the donation to buy the machine.
No secrets.

Aldaig was racing when Lance sent the public e-mails to WADA, the ASO, and the UCI breaking the Doping Omerta. Heads up on blood doping.
No secrets.

2002 2003 2004 2005 were the cleanest TdF's in ages.
It is beyond me why Aldaig is complaining waa.

 

[craig1985]

Thanks Hog excellent post.

Split personalities?

 

[ultimobici]

I think Aldag is complaining as much about the lack of transparency surrounding the transaction. While the transaction is merely suspicious on the bribe issue, it is absolutely scandalous that the UCI would secretly take a gift from a competitor. What message does that send to the other competitors about the ethics and honor of the UCI?

Yeah, substitute the police for the UCI and a criminal for the cyclist and what do you have? Major scandal & serious ramifications for the police.

 

[cathulu]

This whole thing stinks including recent Cycling News background addition to the piece. To the Dr, plus 1000

 

[Benotti69]

Imagine if your wife suspected that instead of buying a guitar you spent it on meeting us all in the Yellow Rose and partied like it was 1999.

If you indeed did buy a guitar and were not at the Yellow Rose you would provide a receipt or some proof of purchase - if you were partying with us then the receipt was ate by your dog, never given to you, hand written in crayon......

Basically - the UCI can stop any rumours of them being corrupt by producing the receipts that would show what was bought and when that backs up their story.
The fact they failed to take this opportunity is because they are indeed corrupt.

Which CN has failed to call them out on. I never expect CN to publish such a thing as they are in the business of making money.

 

[Polish]

Aldaig was racing when the chairman at Sysmex made the press announcement that Lance made the donation to buy the machine.
No secrets.

Aldaig was racing when Lance sent the public e-mails to WADA, the ASO, and the UCI breaking the Doping Omerta. Heads up on blood doping.
No secrets.

2002 2003 2004 2005 were the cleanest TdF's in ages.
It is beyond me why Aldaig is complaining waa

+1 agree!

But why didn't people complain back then when the donation was made public by Sysmex and Lance and the UCI?

The nonfanboys did not complain back then because they either were not following the sport or they had not reached the point where they complain about everything Lance. I remember when the news came out and thought it a bit odd. Lance supplying test Equipment what?

But I can understand why the riders did not complain about the Sysmex Donation or the Omerta Breaking emails from Lance. If any riders DID complain, Lance would have chased them down and said "STFU Douchbag".
"Stop trying to sully cycling's reputation jerkface"
"Things are finally getting better buttmunch"

Sigh, and then things went to hell after Patron Lance left in 2005.

BTW, what happens to a person that has Polish on ignore and Polish quotes himself? Do their keyboards start to smoke? Hope not yikes.

 

[Havetts]

Forgot to log the other account Polish?

 

[peterst6906]

Forgot to log the other account Polish?

What are you trying to say, Polish and theHog are one and the same??

Now that would be a revelation. I'll believe Polish is LA before that.

 

[Siriuscat]

lets play "hunt Polish's sockpuppets".....

 

[Zam_Olyas]

lets play "hunt Polish's sockpuppets".....

Polish = Bob Roll ?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Polish = Bob Roll ?

If Polish isn't Bob Roll, their noses are having one heck of a competition over Lance's chamois.

 

[skippy]

Will the REAL Bob Roll please stand up but wipe your nose first !

Mc Quack seems to be on a roll again ! Any guesses what the next gem to inspire the season's wags will be ?

Which of the Team Telecom has not put his hand up yet and will support Rolf and his disclosures ?

 

[Sylvester]

Thanks Hog excellent post.

 

[thehog]

+1 agree!

But why didn't people complain back then when the donation was made public by Sysmex and Lance and the UCI?

The nonfanboys did not complain back then because they either were not following the sport or they had not reached the point where they complain about everything Lance. I remember when the news came out and thought it a bit odd. Lance supplying test Equipment what?

But I can understand why the riders did not complain about the Sysmex Donation or the Omerta Breaking emails from Lance. If any riders DID complain, Lance would have chased them down and said "STFU Douchbag".
"Stop trying to sully cycling's reputation jerkface"
"Things are finally getting better buttmunch"

Sigh, and then things went to hell after Patron Lance left in 2005.

BTW, what happens to a person that has Polish on ignore and Polish quotes himself? Do their keyboards start to smoke? Hope not yikes.

Thanks Hog excellent post.

 

[Velodude]

The mysterious Sysmex machine & its funding

+1 agree!

But why didn't people complain back then when the donation was made public by Sysmex and Lance and the UCI?

The nonfanboys did not complain back then because they either were not following the sport or they had not reached the point where they complain about everything Lance. I remember when the news came out and thought it a bit odd. Lance supplying test Equipment what?

But I can understand why the riders did not complain about the Sysmex Donation or the Omerta Breaking emails from Lance. If any riders DID complain, Lance would have chased them down and said "STFU Douchbag".
"Stop trying to sully cycling's reputation jerkface"
"Things are finally getting better buttmunch"

Sigh, and then things went to hell after Patron Lance left in 2005.

BTW, what happens to a person that has Polish on ignore and Polish quotes himself? Do their keyboards start to smoke? Hope not yikes.

Polish this is your post about the Sysmex machine (XE-2100) where you have a claimed copy of the Sysmex Corporation’s media release date July 29, 2005 that would evidence Armstrong donated the funds for the Sysmex machine before the 2005 TdF.

Problem is you rely on an LA fanboy site for that media release. The fanboy site admits the link to the media release is dead but, voila by magic, the release appears unlinked from nowhere with a date of July 29, 2005.

Other problems:

1. Version 1 by McQuaid was that Armstrong offered to pay UCI a donation to fight doping in 2001 or 2002 after visiting the Lausanne lab. He was late paying the balance and had to be chased up.

2. Version 2 by McQuad was that Armstrong offered to fund the purchase of the Sysmex machine when he retired (July 2005) but UCI had to purchase the machine in advance of receiving the funds as his pledge was not timely honoured. Evidence suggests payment was not made until May 2006 or January 2007.

3. McQuaid refuses to allow Cyclingnews to copy the Sysmex invoice.

4. Only a WADA accredited lab can produce from analysis evidence for an admissible AAF not the UCI at a race location.

5. The Sysmex XE-2100 cannot produce evidence for an AAF only evidence for a 50% health check that can only result in a 15 day suspension.

6. Non compliance to health checks was not a problem as riders and teams were given notice by the UCI to prepare and riders and teams possessed portable and accurate centrifuges. How many riders have failed the health test since Patani's oversight or since 2005?

7. The Sysmex XE-2100 machine is a high volume lab environment analyser. It uses a sensitive laser and is not designed to be used in a portable scenario.

In all aspects the Sysmex machine is just a collaborated UCI and Armstrong smokescreen.

Johan, we goofed. We are going to have to change our story. Run this past Lance for approval.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Forgot to log the other account Polish?

Its an insider, you know. Like 5th September.
Never getting old.

btw, wasn't it obvious from beginning that Polish is the silverback ?
Polish wipes the floor with the haters on daily basis. Problem is, that most of them are not clever enough to notice and they don't get the message.

+1 agree!

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BTW, what happens to a person that has Polish on ignore and Polish quotes himself? Do their keyboards start to smoke? Hope not yikes.

 

[Cloxxki]

Its an insider, you know. Like 5th September.
Never getting old.

btw, wasn't it obvious from beginning that Polish is the silverback ?
Polish wipes the floor with the haters on daily basis. Problem is, that most of them are not clever enough to notice and they don't get the message.

I am not clever enough, apparently. Which other acccount does Polish use then? Could CN perhaps shed light? This is not about poster privacy, it's about false identification possibly altering public opinion under false pretences.

 

[sniper]

Its an insider, you know. Like 5th September.
Never getting old.

btw, wasn't it obvious from beginning that Polish is the silverback ?
Polish wipes the floor with the haters on daily basis. Problem is, that most of them are not clever enough to notice and they don't get the message.

he can whipe my floor any day.

 

[Mambo95]

This thread in some ways defines how some of the clinic operate. Here are the steps:

1. Take an intransigent position
2. Find an event that can be spun to support decision
3. Get told the facts by people involved in event
4. Call those people liars because they don't agree with the intransigent position.

No wonder this place is known as 'The Asylum' and has as much credibility as Rapture Ready.

 

[Velodude]

This thread in some ways defines how some of the clinic operate. Here are the steps:

1. Take an intransigent position
2. Find an event that can be spun to support decision
3. Get told the facts by people involved in event
4. Call those people liars because they don't agree with the intransigent position.

No wonder this place is known as 'The Asylum' and has as much credibility as Rapture Ready.

Do you realise you have summarised your self appointed team leader's (Polish) posting style?

Polish is continually intransigent about his version of LA's donation(s) to UCI history despite position changes by UCI in terms of events, amounts, methods and timing.

 

[rata de sentina]

This is not about poster privacy, it's about false identification possibly altering public opinion under false pretences.

I think we can safely say that no rationally held opinions have been altered by Polish's erratic ramblings. Self referencing is the hogs little foible and there is no need for Polish to ape him.