Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

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TailWindHome said:
Not sure that post helped you.

Don't see why / why not. The question was about why he was banned. I don't know why, or at least didn't until 5 mins ago when I trawled the ban thread. Seems he was banned(perma) for sockpuppeting, not the comment Septic mentions. But of course twisting the truth is Septics forte (as was Hogs).
 
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Where's the Hog??

I've looked over this thread a few times and thought long before posting something. I gotta think that its just as much everybody's who posts back to him fault for the hog ban. If there was no way to silence another poster then fine ban him, but I can't help but think its the people who won't hit ignore poster to stop reading his crap if that's what you think it is. Don't hit ignore just run to the mods and complain about him, is it because he disagrees with the 12, who knows? The hog trolls, but he can't troll if no one responds to him argument ended. I just think before we run and complain about someone trolling or the attack of a poster maybe we should take matters into our own hands and hit ignore. I think most of us are adults here and should be able to walk away from a disagreement without running to a mod for help.
 
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LaFlorecita said:
you do realize this would prove nothing if you are Vickers right:confused:

Yeah.

What is weird is that spud made the exact same suggestion a few months ago and it was pointed out to him then that it wouldn't exactly prove anything. Which it like so obviously woulnd't, its common sense 101. I find it disturbing that he continues to think it would.

TheSpud said:
You're probably right (well maybe the IP stuff would work), but then when did anything need to be proved in The Clinic?

Strange use of the word "probably". No, a poster saying "I am not a sockpuppet", won't actually have any baring on whether anyone else thinks they are a sockpuppet.

You act as if you were a real world version of one of the characters from that film "the invention of lying".

Or at least I would half think it was some ridiculous level of naivety behind your post if not for that weak potshot attempt at the clinic that you finished it with.
 
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TheSpud said:
No idea - I believe he was banned before I joined. I have read some posts by him (and many others) but not enough to comment further.

You seem to have a lot in common with him though.

"blood on your hands" "septic"

only posting in brit related threads without contributing anything worthwile. High blood pressure, walls of text, whining about the hog. etc.

Are you by any chance Irish too? ;)
 
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Goodbye dear forum, goodbye cycling news. The fighting is tedious, the accusations more so. There were great posts, Libertine and LaFlo especially. There were great stories. But now the forum is petulant, the news unreadable. I never became a user that was so well known here did I? Because there are so many known for all the wrong reasons.

I won't miss it.
 
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okeydoke gentle(wo)men,
time to take a cup of tea, a bex and a good lie down before someone really over cooks it: the insults, baiting, and sockpuppet accusations have done over beyond the pale

cheers
bison
 
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The Hitch said:
Yeah.

What is weird is that spud made the exact same suggestion a few months ago and it was pointed out to him then that it wouldn't exactly prove anything. Which it like so obviously woulnd't, its common sense 101. I find it disturbing that he continues to think it.

When did i make that suggestion?

(That is not to ignore Bison - i just dont remember suggesting it.)
 
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TheSpud said:
The 'Martin' accusation seems to really only be directed at me. Its odd if it is used as a generic sockpuppet accusation, surely Joachim would be more appropriate?

I totally agree with your last sentence - Vickers is different since he is not me.

Strange. Wasn't Joachim banned years before you arrived?

TheSpud said:
No idea - I believe he was banned before I joined. I have read some posts by him (and many others) but not enough to comment further.

Stranger yet. You don't seem to be aware of a much more recently banned poster who is clearly not you...
 
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red_flanders said:
Strange. Wasn't Joachim banned years before you arrived?
Considering how many times people mention him, it would be strange if there was any user here who doesn't know him.

Stop this thing now.
 
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The Hitch said:
lol. You throw an accusation at 11 members but then come up with 2 names, benotti and hog, who are generally ostracized by most clinic members anyway. Where's the other 9?

<snipped> - to make the whole post shorter.

Well - I thought long and hard about replying to this, but now I will.

I want to retract the accusation against all of the Clinic 12 - I still believe people feel driven out, but that's not because of all 12 members, only some. I will not be naming names as I feel that is inappropriate.

In fact, over the last few days I have decided to take a less confrontational approach and ignore a few things (not all, I will admit), and I have had a good engagement with sniper, benotti69, and some others without it degenerating in to a slanging match. I intend to continue with this approach. I will say though that what has p1ssed me off in the past are the continued accusations of being someone I am not - and that of course makes me react.

I know I haven't dealt with all of the points made by Hitch above. I am travelling (again) over the next few days so it will take me a week to even look and comment.

TheSpud (in real life - Ben)
 
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TheSpud said:
Well - I thought long and hard about replying to this, but now I will.

I want to retract the accusation against all of the Clinic 12 - I still believe people feel driven out, but that's not because of all 12 members, only some. I will not be naming names as I feel that is inappropriate.

In fact, over the last few days I have decided to take a less confrontational approach and ignore a few things (not all, I will admit), and I have had a good engagement with sniper, benotti69, and some others without it degenerating in to a slanging match. I intend to continue with this approach. I will say though that what has p1ssed me off in the past are the continued accusations of being someone I am not - and that of course makes me react.

I know I haven't dealt with all of the points made by Hitch above. I am travelling (again) over the next few days so it will take me a week to even look and comment.

TheSpud (in real life - Ben)

Just a follow up post rather than an edit.

Of course I am a Brit (well Welsh, actually). I am a SKY fan, but I am aware of the whole sport of cycling in terms of its past, and also the way SKY is. So, I am not 'head in the sand' when it comes to what is going on. However what I will debate / discuss / refute / etc. is when people try and present things as fact when they are not. The reason I only do that with SKY is because its easy for me to follow (being in English). I know very little about non-English teams and news reports, that's why I don't comment.

Hopefully that clarifies my position a bit.
 
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I saw it mentioned in this thread (amongst some interesting introspection and soooooo much bickering it made my eyes want to explode - I just read everything here since Hog's ban) that there's a sense of a prevailing 'feeling' in the clinic, that any earnest point brought up will be shouted down in sarcastic and unhelpful ways, and that this may cause many posters to not post there. Although I certainly don't think that's all the clinic does, that generally does sum up my experience there. I've learned a lot from that forum, especially in the time before the Reasoned Decision, which coincided with Froome's ascendancy, when the points about how unlikely it was weren't yet tired. But yeah, I find the ratio of posts that are essentially smugly saying 'well that person's doping because everyone does and we're always lied to and you're an idiot to believe otherwise' make a high ratio when compared to those that use power analysis, reflection on insider knowledge, non-'everything is a conspiracy' speculation, etc. As well, I just find it discouraging and depressing to wade through constant interpersonal back-and-forths, be they more or less wordy versions of 'of course you would think this, you always think this'. I stick to the CQ Games threads and some of the info on the Road page, mostly.

Like (now former) poster nhowson said upthread, the in-fighting is really, really tedious, and when it makes up the bulk of threads it becomes hard to ignore (although I've become pretty good at it). Perhaps others have more patience than I, but I guess my thought is just that I've been pretty into this message board since its inception and sometimes I feel like I should just never bother coming back to it again, and the sheer volume of interpersonal fighting is the main reason I feel discouraged from posting. Just want to at least put that on written record, lest people think that the fact that posters are relatively silent about this means it doesn't matter to anyone. Moderation is more or less present in different threads at different times, but regardless, I appreciate how difficult it must be to moderate this forum. I could never do it.
 
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TheSpud said:
Just a follow up post rather than an edit.

Of course I am a Brit (well Welsh, actually). I am a SKY fan, but I am aware of the whole sport of cycling in terms of its past, and also the way SKY is. So, I am not 'head in the sand' when it comes to what is going on. However what I will debate / discuss / refute / etc. is when people try and present things as fact when they are not. The reason I only do that with SKY is because its easy for me to follow (being in English). I know very little about non-English teams and news reports, that's why I don't comment.

Hopefully that clarifies my position a bit.

When doping "facts" hit the public airwaves then the team/rider/doping coach have failed. Good doping goes on under the radar and does not leave "facts" to connect it to the riders using it. When "facts" show up the game is over. Rest assured a great many riders who have nothing but rumor and innuendo connecting them to doping are in fact doping.
 
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TheSpud said:
Just a follow up post rather than an edit.

Of course I am a Brit (well Welsh, actually). I am a SKY fan, but I am aware of the whole sport of cycling in terms of its past, and also the way SKY is. So, I am not 'head in the sand' when it comes to what is going on. However what I will debate / discuss / refute / etc. is when people try and present things as fact when they are not. The reason I only do that with SKY is because its easy for me to follow (being in English). I know very little about non-English teams and news reports, that's why I don't comment.

Hopefully that clarifies my position a bit.

Facts are for courts as you well know. This is a forum. We dont need facts to discuss anything.

Sky are doping. Only Sky fans dont want to see that. You are a sky fan so your posts in the sky thread are loaded.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Facts are for courts as you well know. This is a forum. We dont need facts to discuss anything.

Sky are doping. Only Sky fans dont want to see that. You are a sky fan so your posts in the sky thread are loaded.

A few minor points...

As far as facts go, you are correct. You dont [sic] need facts to discuss anything, but some people might consider them a prerequisite to an intelligent conversation.

sittingbison said:
okeydoke gentle(wo)men,
time to take a cup of tea, a bex and a good lie down before someone really over cooks it: the insults, baiting, and sockpuppet accusations have done over beyond the pale

cheers
bison

Another sign of intelligence on this forum is an ability to read and understand Moderator's warnings
 
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good post Cal_Joe ;)

seriously gents,
stop it with the sock acusations. If you want to raise the issue, being it o the attention of a mod in private with evidence :D and let the mod deal with it

cheers
bison
 
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I believe my account (snccdcno) was mistakenly permanently banned a couple of weeks ago after being confused for a spambot, I sent a message using the contact us thing that came up when I tried to log in but never heard anything back, today after the upgrade I got the option to e-mail forum@cyclingnews.com when I tried to log in which I have done, however given I didn't hear anything back previously I am a bit unsure if that will actually do anything.

If it will be dealt with via that route then obviously this message can be ignored.

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Tom said:
...I believe my account (snccdcno) was mistakenly permanently banned a couple of weeks ago...

it looks good to goTom, doesnt appear to be banned

Thanks for responding.

When I just tried to log in I got this message

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Bye Bye Bicycle said:
That's ban No. 34 or so for Ryo, right? This guy should really get a life...

And he seems to consider himself invincible, as though the board depended on him.
Ryo Hazuki said:
Bye Bye Bicycle said:
Ryo Hazuki said:
I hope the worst things will come to him

I hope a permanent ban comes to you.
good luck. that will never happen
If he has been banned that often, and still has no respect for the norms of behaviour, why is he allowed back time after time?
 
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Bye Bye Bicycle said:
That's ban No. 34 or so for Ryo, right? This guy should really get a life...

I feel sorry for him. I really think he his just like that, you know, lacking a few social competencies. But he always acts like a troglodyte, and in almost every post of his I sence a fulminating attitude of despise and rudeness. One would think that with 30+ bans there would have been enough room for a change in behaviour already, but guess not. I'm not even referring to him wishing ill to a rider, but his interactions with other forumites.

Oh well, be back soon Ryo.
 
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