Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

[Eshnar]

Can you point me where in the forumrules having a sockpuppet while being banned will lead to a permban?

It actually says:

I highlighted the important part of course.

A three month ban looks sufficient to me or is sockpuppeting as bad as threatening/insulting people per PM?

sockpuppeting means circumventing the ban, making our job totally useless.
Yes it's pretty bad. :S
It is not allowed. by any means. That's why we apply the maximum punishment possible. It's meant to be a deterrent. If people can't realize it, then be it. We won't miss them.

 

[ElChingon]

thick skinned people coming back will just get re-banned by us. That's part of our job. otoh, if thin skinned users leave it won't be as good for the forum. At least for this type of forum. I don't doubt that forum you mentioned is cool and all that, but the concept behind this one is different.

This is just a rehash of what was posted when that poster first joined yet they still come back to this badly modded forum (quoting them). Can we just link to those posts or will this be a yearly thing?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

sockpuppeting means circumventing the ban, making our job totally useless.
Yes it's pretty bad. :S
It is not allowed. by any means. That's why we apply the maximum punishment possible. It's meant to be a deterrent. If people can't realize it, then be it. We won't miss them.

A perma ban is not a deterrent to a troll. Ask BPC or any of his 200+ usernames.

They are determined to have their say, so will come back with a different username and not care about being caught again or any rule.
I have said before, start with short bans and if someone is repeating make the bans a little longer. But no more than a month. Going beyond that means they will circumvent the system.

 

[Netserk]

A perma ban is not a deterrent to a troll. Ask BPC or any of his 200+ usernames.

They are determined to have their say, so will come back with a different username and not care about being caught again or any rule.
I have said before, start with short bans and if someone is repeating make the bans a little longer. But no more than a month. Going beyond that means they will circumvent the system.

Sniper circumvented a one week ban. Just saying.

 

[Eshnar]

This is just a rehash of what was posted when that poster first joined yet they still come back to this badly modded forum (quoting them). Can we just link to those posts or will this be a yearly thing?

let people complain. This forum is still healthy and alive, despite some people claiming the opposite (while posting here ). That's enough evidence that we're doing at least an acceptable work.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sniper circumvented a one week ban. Just saying.

Ya, pretty dumb. But the answer is still not a perma ban.

And it appears they have learned from it. I don't believe they have registered again. I don't see why they should have to contact Susan. They have been banned a good while now, just remove the ban from the account, problem solved.

 

[Eshnar]

Ya, pretty dumb. But the answer is still not a perma ban.

And it appears they have learned from it. I don't believe they have registered again. I don't see why they should have to contact Susan. They have been banned a good while now, just remove the ban from the account, problem solved.

but the problem is already solved

 

[Dr. Maserati]

but the problem is already solved

I just checked their account, sniper is still banned.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Shouldnt punishment fit the crime? And, really, I believe it was ebandit who got banned for alledgely being a sockpuppet but that proved to be false?

Everybody makes mistakes.

That said, it is not that hard to make a new IP adress. Ask Jaochim.

 

[Netserk]

I just checked their account, sniper is still banned.

And if he thinks that's a problem he can contact Susan.

Seems like there isn't any problem.

 

[Eshnar]

Shouldnt punishment fit the crime?
And, really, I believe it was ebandit who got banned for alledgely being a sockpuppet but that proved to be false?

Everybody makes mistakes.

That said, it is not that hard to make a new IP adress. Ask Jaochim.

Spotting a sockpuppet by IP is a piece of cake. But we have other ways too
Yes we do mistakes sometime. And that's why we already said you always have the option to "appeal" to Susan. We already made a step back when we noticed we made a mistake. No problem there.

 

[alitogata]

thick skinned people coming back will just get re-banned by us. That's part of our job. otoh, if thin skinned users leave it won't be as good for the forum. At least for this type of forum. I don't doubt that forum you mentioned is cool and all that, but the concept behind this one is different.

Excuse me but what is this different concept of this forum?
I thought that fora exist for discussions. Discussions begin usually when people don't agree. When they agree about everything they have no thing to discuss. They say: I agree and me too and then they all agree and that's all. Ok .. not that interesting.

This forum has an "ignore member" feature and a "block this user" feature. If you don't like what someone writes, you just ignore and block him in order to avoid him.

Tell members to use it if they don't like the content of somebody's posts and if they think that someone bothers them with unwanted pms. I personally take pms only from my contacts and friends, ( and admins and mods).

Even if someone wants to insult me, I can bear it because I don't care for the personal opinion or view that someone, somewhere has. Ok.. we can't be likeable to everybody, neither can be what we say or think.

Why should mods and admins take this role, the role of the protector of the supposed insulted member, I really don't get it.

You missing good posters by permanently banning people.. and this forum gets poorer when member gone this way.

I think that the concept is to keep the members. Not to make practice in ruling skills.

 

[Eshnar]

Even if someone wants to insult me, I can bear it because I don't care for the personal opinion or view that someone, somewhere has. Ok.. we can't be likeable to everybody, neither can be what we say or think.

you may find strange that not everyone reasons the same way as you. There are people who don't like to be insulted by some random keyboard bully.
Plus, you should consider the fact that this forum has an enormous list of regular lurkers, who used this as a source of info. that's why it's in our best interest to keep the threads as more linear and readable as possible.

 

[hiero2]

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I think that the concept is to keep the members. Not to make practice in ruling skills.

Actually, I think we all agree on this point. The problem is your forum example seems to be an exception, rather than the rule. We, the mods, are working to get the forum back to a civil discourse. Our problem is that, if we allow people to post, with the freedom you describe, we lose posters. It does not work out as you describe. There are sometimes a few posters who are sufficiently malicious, or sufficiently self-centered, that, like dope in the peloton, they are willing to spoil the game for everybody so that they can "score". This is a perennial issue.

I was recently discussing this issue with a member here who was upset that another poster continually posted snarky, sarcastic, insulting posts - and got away with it. This member is also a moderator on another forum - from a different sport, but a forum not unlike ours in size. He tells me they moderate to a stricter standard than we do.

I would ask you this, are you a moderator in this forum you tell us of?

 

[ElChingon]

you may find strange that not everyone reasons the same way as you. There are people who don't like to be insulted by some random keyboard bully.
Plus, you should consider the fact that this forum has an enormous list of regular lurkers, who used this as a source of info. that's why it's in our best interest to keep the threads as more linear and readable as possible.

Wow, with that quote you quoted does that mean we can go to town on that user without a ban? They don't mind

 

[Eshnar]

Wow, with that quote you quoted does that mean we can go to town on that user without a ban? They don't mind

there seem to be people who find bad reading other people insulting each other too So no, you can't.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

I thought that Big Doopie was banned? (not that i agree or disagree)

 

[Eshnar]

I thought that Big Doopie was banned? (not that i agree or disagree)

he was, but just because we misunderstood one of his posts. So we stepped back. Sorry

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Or the thin skinned that reported the post?

Mistakes are human.

 

[TheGame]

Or the thin skinned that reported the post?

Mistakes are human.

To err is human, to make a complete and utter **** up takes a moderator.

 

[Cyivel]

Has nicolas452 been banned? If so I depreciate it.

 

[Granville57]

Has nicolas452 been banned? If so I depreciate it.

It was a sprint finish...and I almost won.

 

[alitogata]

Actually, I think we all agree on this point. The problem is your forum example seems to be an exception, rather than the rule. We, the mods, are working to get the forum back to a civil discourse. Our problem is that, if we allow people to post, with the freedom you describe, we lose posters. It does not work out as you describe. There are sometimes a few posters who are sufficiently malicious, or sufficiently self-centered, that, like dope in the peloton, they are willing to spoil the game for everybody so that they can "score". This is a perennial issue.

I was recently discussing this issue with a member here who was upset that another poster continually posted snarky, sarcastic, insulting posts - and got away with it. This member is also a moderator on another forum - from a different sport, but a forum not unlike ours in size. He tells me they moderate to a stricter standard than we do.

I would ask you this, are you a moderator in this forum you tell us of?

We have no moderation at all so no moderators. But we have an administration team so there is not only one person responsible for the decisions we take about the site. I'm member of the administration team, but I prefer to have advocacy role, ( I think this is the right expression) ha ha ..

Admins take care for the good condition of our server and the portal/forum and have an eye to delete unwanted ads if we have such cases.. ( sometimes bots pass the automatic filters that we have for this job).

We don't allow members to post ads from their accounts, and have double accounts as well ( but this is not written somewhere), and that's all. No word filters, no moderation, no bans, no punishments.

If someone does the mistake to insult anyone in there, s/he is by his or her own. Nobody is going to save him from the "public" outcry.

In case of very vile and insulting posts we don't delete them but we hide them and we write that "this post is hidden because it was derogatory". But this happens rarely because people who sign up in the forum have already read it, ( it is public) so they know what is going to be their "fate" if they don't respect the rest.

Members are not infants to need someone to tell them how to behave, and because we expect them to behave as adults, they do so.

Here is our statistics http://www.statscrop.com/www/podilates.gr

and here the forum. http://www.podilates.gr/forum

And the rules: Not that many.. http://www.podilates.gr/node/7891

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Alitogata, the powers that will be never change this system that we are having.

 

[pedaling squares]

We have a system? I thought you could take anything that rustles your jimmies and decide it violates a forum rule.