Part I
Intro:
It shall be known that the following is not about the content of discussions. But I say that
my opinions sometimes may appear controversial (and those of others OFC). I do not know the final truth (as nobody does). I can be wrong (as everybody can). All agreed on that upfront?
This is solely about personal attacks/baiting/insults and how they are handled.
I was banned once before the one I got last week in 5 1/2 years as member here.
The first ban I left uncontested, even though I just defended myself
after serveral personal attacks, insults, and baitings by "DearWiggo" against me... It takes time before I take action and insult right back. Even it may be against Forum rules, my understanding of (german) law is which highest courts declared: (in short form) "Personal insults
can be defended with personal insults, and will go unpunished".
Now I was banned again (the past week) for two defensive "counter attacks" (against "HughJanuss" & "LaFlorecita").
The ban against me came without a warning!
OTOH, I once was informed by "Afrank" that "HughJanuss" (after serveral personal attacks this summer in various Horner threads) will get a warning, and be banned if that goes on... Well, nothing happened, even after it went on! I reported at least 3 more personal attacking posts after the summer by him against me, without any action being taken against him. Then I informed the mods "Afrank", and "Alpe d'Huez" (as witness, because I somehow knew what was about to come) about the ongoing attacks by "HughJanuss".
I would not contest this ban against me, if all parties involved were treated the same.
Here is a timeline what lead to my ban (the following few quotes come from a closed thread, thus I report the times and dates together with the original posts)
My intentition is not to discuss the matter(s) of the threads, but to
show to those interested, who, where, and when insulted, attacked, or started baiting others:
1.) I did a post with an proving link (how it should be):
11-27-14, 02:34
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
"Sgt. Sandra Tomeo of Plano PD told reporters for the Plano Star Courier that false rape accusations were “a common occurrence,” citing numbers indicating that ~47% of rape accusations made to Plano, TX police were demonstrably false"
...
http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com...ns-are-common/
2.) The following poster underlined my post with another proving link (it is important, because those two linked facts (my post, and this one here) were later dismissed with nothing else but personal attacks):
11-27-14, 08:12
Merckx index said:
Very good discussion going on here, I think Foxxy, Aphro and Retro are all making some interesting points.
...
However, there is one academic study cited (
http://www.avoiceformalestudents.co...pe-accusations-forty-one-41-percent-floor.pdf) approvingly which concluded that about 40% of rape allegations were false.
3.) After some time "LaFlorecita" joined the "discussion". But TBH honest it went more into a sensless debate about grammar nuances and the interpretation of it. Anyway]http://forum.cyclingnews.com/announcement.php?f=6[/url]) post "out of the blue".
11-27-14, 16:04
LaFlorecita said:
Right. So it clearly is hard to understand for you. No problem.
4.) My reply:
11-27-14, 16:19
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
If I wrote you a sentence with ****, would you understand it? Surely not...
Please attack the post, not the poster.
5.) And then came the post that went too far. Please remember the first two posts quoted here off "Merckxindex" and me.
What happened? The numbers posted & linked by "Merckxindex" and me (note: from different sources) were not refuted with any evidence, or at least with logical arguments in a normal behaving manner. No!
They were subsidiary attacked. Attacked in the lowest form to just insult me & embarass me to other readers who have not followed the whole discussion by: Calling me a "sexist" and my post about the numbers "disgusting" (not those of "Merckxindex" BTW. Why? She didn´t want to personal attack him, but only me. That was all her intention).
11-27-14, 17:27
LaFlorecita said:
And your sexist remarks about 50% of rape cases being instigated by women falsely accusing men of rape are equally disgusting. Don't have anything else to say about it.
6.) My reply (I warned here again to not attack me personally):
11-27-14, 17:56
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
but that one doesn´t go uncontested. I take that as a serious personal attack!
It was not me who said that (I was just the messenger), but reserchers who did some good work on the issue
...
If you can´t discuss in a normal manner, stay away. Again: Attack the post, not the poster. It´s not my truth. It´s hard numbers investigated by researchers who did their job.
7.) "Merckxindex" in his usual well written posts did a nice summary I couldn´t do as good, since English isn´t my mother tongue. I thought this post would clarify everything, plus the following post by me (see 8.):
11-28-14, 01:21
Merckx index said:
But as a practical matter, both force and violence are used in this context to make someone act against her will or desires, so I don’t think the distinction is very meaningful. In any case, the distinction is one even we native English speakers might quibble over, so I think it’s hardly fair to criticize Foxxy for not making it. The bottom line to me is that we all agree that drugging someone to ensure submission is a criminal act, just as much as say, hitting them and holding them down to make them comply, so the various words we use to describe the process are irrelevant.
Also, while Foxxy can speak for himself, I don’t think he said that blowjobs don’t count as rape. In fact, in the article I discussed upthread, taken from the site that Foxxy linked to as evidence of a high proportion of false allegations of rape, oral sex was mentioned when discussing the various kinds of rape, so I can’t imagine anyone arguing that blow jobs couldn’t be a form of rape. I think you came to this conclusion from his use of the word penetration, but if you want to get technical, that term can apply just as much to blow jobs as to vaginal sex. In any case, again, taking the liberty of trying to interpret Foxxy, I think he just meant that there has to be some kind of physical contact for rape to occur, not that there had to be vaginal penetration.
Anyway, these discussions of definitions are sidetracking. The important issue that Foxxy raised is false allegations. How frequent are they, and how often do they end up with a man falsely imprisoned, his reputation ruined, etc.? This is something I think worth discussing here
8.) My (further) clarification that "Merckxindex" indeed interpreted me correctly. It happened in a new thread since the other one was closed. But "patricknd" felt free to re-open it under another name. Smart, smart ]Good that it´s re-opened. I just want to clarify that Merckxindex (in his last post in the original thread) was right what he said about my thoughts.
He used common sense and thus came to the right conclusions.[/QUOTE]
9.) Then "HughJanuss" (still un-banned, and seemingly un-warned
after his latest attacks against me in other threads), literally out of nowhere, just came around to smear my name once more and insult me. No content, nothing on topic, but baiting and insulting me:
Hugh Januss said:
How odd that Foxxy would be taking a position that runs contrary to logic, common sense, and almost everyone else on the forum.
But the worst post of him in this very thread was later deleted by the mods (some "highlightes" of it: I should see a doctor, I have problem with women, I should get a thinking-cap on my brain, and more. And OFC zero content to the matter/ongoing-discussion. Not a single word!)
10.) My reply:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
Attack the post, not the poster. I know you hate me. But still; follow the rules. And if you have nothing to contribute just shut up.
11.) Shortly after, "LaFlorecita" is "applauding" the insults/baiting against me off HughJanuss":
LaFlorecita said:
12.) My reply to her. That´s when I lost it. Serveral attempts to warn her to stop smutting my name went unheard (see some of the quotes above). So I fairly announced my coming counter attack in a minute:
FoxxyBrown1111 said:
That you like personal attacks is clear since at least two days ago. So no surprise you applauded this post full of drivel with zero content for the matter or the linked post, but personal attacks only. And that you ignore my warning to not smut my name anymore is also no surprise to me. So let´s have fair game (see my next post coming in a minute).
Then came my personal insulting, but defensive (IOW: "Fair Game"), counter attack against her. This post then was deleted by the mods.
13.) Her answer to my deleted post:
LaFlorecita said:
K.
The feeling is mutual
And here is what "Afrank" thinks of it (but only sometimes it seems
):
Afrank said:
^This^ Everyone please keep debate civil and keep insults out of it. And if someone posts a personal attack/insult to you, attacking and insulting them right back will do you no good.
Part II will follow...
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