Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

[The Hitch]

A retroactive ban?

To a contador fan?

Now that's just cruel.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The post about female members, was a reply to Mellow Velo's post about not addressing 1 member, but a certain target group to avoid a ban

Let me give you a hint: Don´t make matters worse.

Let me quote the Forum rules: "The Big Rules
If you break these rules, you're eligible for an instant and possibly permanent ban.

...

Attempting to smartass your way around these rules."

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/announcement.php?f=6


I mean you now made it really hard for the mods to not ban you. I mean it can´t get more obvious than admitting to breaking the rules intentionally.

You don't know what post damian13ster meant, so maybe you shouldn't bring this up

Let me help you another time: You brought the issue up yourself. If you didn´t, the whole issue with that member would have gone unnoticed (by me at least) since the original post by the insulting member seems to be deleted (at least I can´t find it, so it´s highly likely).

So you can bring up things yourself, but others are not allowed to do the same.

I never attacked you out of the blue

Please re-read your post of calling me "sexist".

Finally: If you want to go on with the discussion about the thread(s) in the "Cafe" section, feel free to go there and post "whatever (you) want" (to use your exact words in a post used by you recently). But they have nothing to do here...

I just wrote a summary of why your (and "HughJanuss") insults were countered by me. I even bolded it. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[LaFlorecita]

A retroactive ban?

To a contador fan?

Now that's just cruel.

Lol hitchy

Foxxy:

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

A retroactive ban?

To a contador fan?

Now that's just cruel.

Yes, it would be kind of irony of history.
I leave it up to the mods to get a wise decision on the matter, if it becomes true or not.
I simply look forward of how this issue will be ended in a fair matter to everybody involved.

 

[Granville57]

Foxxy gets banned...and Horner gets a contract.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Foxxy gets banned...and Horner gets a contract.

Don´t worry. More often than not the truth will prevail.
Look at the LA case as example: He personally smeared the names of many yet it was him who did the injustice.

I am still optimistic that justice will be done in my case.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I am still optimistic that justice will be done in my case.

......................

 

[Semper Fidelis]

......................

Damm Hugh I did not notice you were off the bannination.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Damm Hugh I did not notice you were off the bannination.

Yup, on Friday, I guess? I was busy actually riding a bicycle all weekend and only looked in here this morning. Immediately wondered why.

 

[frenchfry]

Yup, on Friday, I guess? I was busy actually riding a bicycle all weekend and only looked in here this morning. Immediately wondered why.

All weekend? Now that is dedication! I keep reading that we should be out riding instead of spending time here, but as a result I am tired and grumpy from so much exercise. Maybe I can get an age exemption.

 

[Hugh Januss]

All weekend? Now that is dedication! I keep reading that we should be out riding instead of spending time here, but as a result I am tired and grumpy from so much exercise. Maybe I can get an age exemption.

As you get older the distance that you can cover in the same time span is less, that's your age exemption right there. It was cyclocross races so the on bike time was minimal compared to the time spent setting up tents, cleaning bikes, heckling and drinking beer.

 

[Afrank]

Foxxy,

The reason for the difference in lengths for your ban and Hugh's ban was because at the time I felt the things you said were more insulting than what he had said. Florecita's posts did not strike me as insults at the time. They definitely weren't addressing the posts and the contents of the discussion though. At a certain point in that thread it became all three of you fighting fire with fire. I didn't believe (and still don't to a degree) that because someone attacks or insults you, it gives you the right to come back at them with insults.

And one of your posts responding to Florecita, this one-

Originally Posted by FoxxyBrown1111
LaFlorecita:

You are a intolerant ignorant ***** that hits out and makes fun of/against others if not agreeing with you. You are a low lifer. People with arguments would have come up with at least some content in this and the other thread.

I guess you are an un-loved old women who is bitter because no men talks to her anymore... That´s why you idolize a doper who don´t give a **** about you. I am deeply sorry for you!

I found to be the most insulting post in that thread. Thus the 7 day ban.

Perhaps though the banning of those that wrote the insulting posts, after others writing posts they felt insulted by, in accordance to the contents of those posts is not the correct course of action. A better course of action could have been to just delete the offensive posts and give a warning.

So I am sorry for banning you Foxxy, I can see there could have been better solutions to this problem.

My posting and activity overall on the forum I've seen drop over the course of this school term. A new job combined with a difficult math course (hopefully soon I'll get the chance to throw the book into a wood chipper) that I needed to pass has meant I haven't had as much time to go through all the discussions that happen on the forum. So I probably was too quick to action on this one and some more time spent learning more about the disagreement could have done some good. So I'm sorry for that. I think I'll step away from a modding point of view for a little bit.

On the issue of banning LaFlorecita, at this point, I am not going to do that and will leave the decision of whether to take action or not to the others.

Closing, I'd just like to point out that I still don't think fighting fire with fire, ie insulting others because you have been insulted by them, is the right course to take in a disagreement, and that I will be sure to be less rash in future conflicts. I hope all that is acceptable to everyone and we can move on.

 

[Christian]

Now I don't agree with some of Foxxy's opinions and I have never had any confrontation with Hugh Januss.

And Lord knows I've done my fair share of baiting and have gotten away with it.

And I know Andy retired and Contador won so I should just stfu.

But somehow LaFlorecita has gotten herself into a position where she can virtually say anything and never get banned.

I don't know how this happened but it is fascinating.

Ku-do's

 

[Christian]

I read a funny quote in a poster's sig on a German football (soccer) forum the other day.

Now keep in mind this is NOT PC and it does NOT represent how I feel about the people that are mentioned in this joke.

It goes like this:

"Argueing on this forum is like competing in the paralympics. You might win, but you're still ***."

please don't ban me

 

[the sceptic]

To be fair, that thread seems like a nightmare to moderate. I am glad I stay far away from the politics part of this forum.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I am deeply touched. Because I didn´t expect a apology. Leave alone in this lenghth and explanation.
All I can say is: All is forgiven and forgotten by me from this very second.
I highly appreciate that you ("Afrank") "manned up" to the issue. Something that happens so seldom in the me-me-me-society we are living in nowadays.
I just have to say thank you, because I truly believe this is a honest apology.

Now just some final words, before this unhealthy issue will be brought to bed for good:

Foxxy,
The reason for the difference in lengths for your ban and Hugh's ban was because at the time I felt the things you said were more insulting than what he had said.

I fully accept your opinions. As you know me: I am no "nit-picker".

Florecita's posts did not strike me as insults at the time. They definitely weren't addressing the posts and the contents of the discussion though.

Thanks. It´s good to hear it from you, that you get the feeling how subtile insults can come about, without spotting it "in the first second".

At a certain point in that thread it became all three of you fighting fire with fire. I didn't believe (and still don't to a degree) that because someone attacks or insults you, it gives you the right to come back at them with insults.

I can agree on that too. I should have kept myself under control.

And one of your posts responding to Florecita, this one-

I found to be the most insulting post in that thread. Thus the 7 day ban.

Accepted. To be honest: After the multiple attacks vs me before, I tried to get one step lower on the insulting level with my announced "counter attack".

Perhaps though the banning of those that wrote the insulting posts, after others writing posts they felt insulted by, in accordance to the contents of those posts is not the correct course of action. A better course of action could have been to just delete the offensive posts and give a warning.

Thanks again. I now understand the tough job of a mod to weigh in all available infos and then lay down a fair to-all-parties decision. It´s almost impossible.

So I am sorry for banning you Foxxy, I can see there could have been better solutions to this problem.

That is one true apology confirmation. Something that shows it is truly meant. Thanks for that. It is deeply appreciated.

My posting and activity overall on the forum I've seen drop over the course of this school term. A new job combined with a difficult math course (hopefully soon I'll get the chance to throw the book into a wood chipper) that I needed to pass has meant I haven't had as much time to go through all the discussions that happen on the forum. So I probably was too quick to action on this one and some more time spent learning more about the disagreement could have done some good. So I'm sorry for that. I think I'll step away from a modding point of view for a little bit.

As "TheHog" recently said: "You are one of the fairest mods." TBH, I did doubted that, but now I am sure you are.

On the issue of banning LaFlorecita, at this point, I am not going to do that and will leave the decision of whether to take action or not to the others.

I fully understand. This one is not in your power to decide.

Closing, I'd just like to point out that I still don't think fighting fire with fire, ie insulting others because you have been insulted by them, is the right course to take in a disagreement, and that I will be sure to be less rash in future conflicts. I hope all that is acceptable to everyone and we can move on.

No doubt about that. Once more I fully agree.

 

[The Hitch]

I read a funny quote in a poster's sig on a German football (soccer) forum the other day.

Now keep in mind this is NOT PC and it does NOT represent how I feel about the people that are mentioned in this joke.

It goes like this:

"Argueing on this forum is like competing in the paralympics. You might win, but you're still ***."

please don't ban me

Maybe it works in German, but in English *** means you are slow, or as the french word means - late - mentally, whereas those who compete int he paralympics are disabled - physically.

Totally different. Even as an insult, you wouldn't call someone who is missing a leg - ***, it wouldn't make sense.

 

[The Hitch]

To be fair, that thread seems like a nightmare to moderate. I am glad I stay far away from the politics part of this forum.

Our thing is politics too. 1 major clinic name got defended publicly by the Spanish Prime Minister, another two are knights of the realm in Great Britain, one team is sponsored by a coalition of dodgy state companies,

 

[Granville57]

Totally different.

The difference being between "para" and "special." Two different events.

Maybe the German football fan who suggested the joke was not all that bright to begin with.

 

[nhowson]

Now I don't agree with some of Foxxy's opinions and I have never had any confrontation with Hugh Januss.

And Lord knows I've done my fair share of baiting and have gotten away with it.

And I know Andy retired and Contador won so I should just stfu.

But somehow LaFlorecita has gotten herself into a position where she can virtually say anything and never get banned.

I don't know how this happened but it is fascinating.

Ku-do's

10 characters.

 

[LaFlorecita]

10 characters.

How would you know?

@Christian
Maybe because I very rarely post something insulting about a poster (and when I do it is not something warranting a ban). Insulting cyclists is not prohibited.

My posts Foxxy is so worked up about were all about his posts. Not about himself. Even though he's trying to make it seem like I called him a sexist, which I didn't. I called his remarks sexist.

If I posted something like Foxxy posted, or your good friend airstream, I would get a ban too. Duh. It's not like I never received a ban or a warning before.

 

[BigMac]

How would you know?

@Christian
Maybe because I very rarely post something insulting about a poster (and when I do it is not something warranting a ban). Insulting cyclists is not prohibited.

My posts Foxxy is so worked up about were all about his posts. Not about himself. Even though he's trying to make it seem like I called him a sexist, which I didn't. I called his remarks sexist.

If I posted something like Foxxy posted, or your good friend airstream, I would get a ban too. Duh. It's not like I never received a ban or a warning before.

Hurr Durr, he made it clear it wasn't his remarks, but the product of an objective academic study. And even if it were, why would it be sexist? Goodness me I can't stand this hysterical manifestations of half-arsed political correctness. Such dishonest way of shutting and vilifying your opponent. Foxxy has a case.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Hurr Durr, he made it clear it wasn't his remarks, but the product of an objective academic study. And even if it were, why would it be sexist? Goodness me I can't stand this hysterical manifestations of half-arsed political correctness. Such dishonest way of shutting and vilifying your opponent. Foxxy has a case.

Edit: whatevs. Not gonna get dragged into a petty fight with you again.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You can´t stop, can you?

My posts Foxxy is so worked up about were all about his posts. Not about himself. Even though he's trying to make it seem like I called him a sexist, which I didn't. I called his remarks sexist.

OFC you did!

If your post wasn´t meant to personally insult me as sexist, but "only" my remarks as sexist, why you didn´t say the same about "Merckxindex" post too? He used the same arguments (posting a link of wrongly accused).

Actually you used a linked study to quote me that had nothing about sexist in it. Zero, zilch, none! My post was just used subsidiary by you to attack me. You may see a difference by saying "your remarks are sexist" and "you are a sexist". I call it what it is by quoting the applicable forum rules again:
"The Big Rules
If you break these rules, you're eligible for an instant and possibly permanent ban ... Attempting to smartass your way around these rules."

Hurr Durr, he made it clear it wasn't his remarks, but the product of an objective academic study. And even if it were, why would it be sexist? Goodness me I can't stand this hysterical manifestations of half-arsed political correctness. Such dishonest way of shutting and vilifying your opponent. Foxxy has a case.

Thanks. You are absolutely right.

Edit: whatevs. Not gonna get dragged into a petty fight with you again.

So after you have been done with him, it´s me now?

 

[LaFlorecita]

Just stop.