Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

[the asian]

It's just an one week vacation.

It seems that the Hog has specifically reported ebander, but not any other poster.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

ebandit was not banned over the "hog/hoggie" issue. He was banned for publicly saying he would ignore the mods.

The nickname issue is still to be decided. If other users have called TheHog by that nickname and he has not protested, then it is allowed to be used, by anyone, as far as I am concerned.

Susan

 

[alitogata]

ebandit was not banned over the "hog/hoggie" issue. He was banned for publicly saying he would ignore the mods.

The nickname issue is still to be decided. If other users have called TheHog by that nickname and he has not protested, then it is allowed to be used, by anyone, as far as I am concerned.

Susan

Sorry for interfere but did he ignore them at the end or not? Is it right to ban someone for what he/she declares but doesn't do?

 

[MarkvW]

Sorry for interfere but did he ignore them at the end or not? Is it right to ban someone for what he/she declares but doesn't do?

Now we're getting warnings for defying "universal truth" and bans for the expression of an insubordinate thought.

 

[alitogata]

Now we're getting warnings for defying "universal truth" and bans for the expression of an insubordinate thought.

The best moderated forums are those who are moderated less.
And this works when the moderation of the discussions goes to the users so no one can feel that someone else behaved unfair to someone else.
I know a very successful and with high traffic cycling forum that has no moderation at all. 6th in my countrys rank, 20.000 members, 5000 unique and active members every day.

The only rules that exist there is to open new threads in the right place and don't have double accounts or spam with adds etc.

The most interesting and polite discussions are taking place there and this happens because members moderate themselves. Even trolls don't bother to get in this forum. How it works this?

Example. There was a guy recently who was trying to troll in a fixed gear's bikes thread. He got such appreciation for his trolling that in a couple of days disappeared..Some members started talking to him seriously, other started teasing him, other just ignore him, others wanted to print Tshirts with his nickname " I 'm Tony's fan" some print them and posted photos and female members asked him "seriously" to date them!

He expected to create tension and quarrels and he got back fun and appreciation. And some serious proposals to meet people. Not quite what a troll expects eh??

After a while some members missed him and posted pleas to have him back.. but no signs of Tony three months now.. The discussion continues till now with a couple of pages of real fun!

The concept is that beside nicknames are real persons. You can't talk to somebody badly if you have him face to face, and probably he will ignore you the next time. And nobody is going to save your skin if you talking to somebody face to face and you are rude. You have to deal with it yourself.

Same in this forum. The members ensure the rules. And if someone gets beyond limits, there's nobody there to save him. So he has to be careful and respect other people.

The admins and mods have other more important works to do.. to maintain the site and not to bother for what said the one to the other. Things run flawlessly and people discuss there peacefully and polite because no one feels that someone was unfair or tried to regulate the discussions. Everyone is responsible for himself.

It is different but it works.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Sounds lovely. Would never work here, though, nor in almost any other cycling forum I have ever read.

Care to tell us the name of this perfect-world forum?

Susan

 

[alitogata]

Sounds lovely. Would never work here, though, nor in almost any other cycling forum I have ever read.

Care to tell us the name of this perfect-world forum?

Susan

Of course.. http://www.podilates.gr.

It is a cycling forum and a place where most of cycling groups publish announcements about new cycling events etc.

I believe that it can work to any forum.. the first period of time is a little confusing but then everything works by itself.

It isn't that there are no quarrels or vile comments in this forum.. some people have certain behaviors. It is that sooner or later these guys that want to create quarrels and tension realize that this doesn't work there because nobody can be provoked..

And if someone is really vile, he gets back what he gives.. Fair play if you get the point, is not like the mod who is trying to find out who was right or wrong, by reading one thousand discussions every day just to get back the depreciation of other members for his/her decisions.

There is no one to regulate real life discussions. Mods and admins are human beings too.. Not the Pope who doesn't make mistakes..

ETA.. I forgot to warn you.. It is Greek to you..

 

[alitogata]

Here.. try this..

http://translate.google.com/#el/en/:)

 

[The Hitch]

Based on your posts and what we know about the popularity of professional road cycling in Greece (not the biggest sport around) im guessing the forum you link is a forum more about riding bikes as a passtime rather than about the professional race scene and its.controversies.

Totally different ball game.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I believe that it can work to any forum.. the first period of time is a little confusing but then everything works by itself.

Lovely for you and that forum. Too bad the rest of us poor mistaken mods, admins and everyday users will never know the loveliness and perfection.

Susan

 

[pedaling squares]

Lovely for you and that forum. Too bad the rest of us poor mistaken mods, admins and everyday users will never know the loveliness and perfection.

Susan

Hey, you had your chance to make ChrisE a mod.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I'm saying nothing

 

[pmcg76]

I noted a few days ago that Sittingbison was not suitable for a mod position and it has already been borne out. What a shock.

It is possible to judge how even-handed people might be as mods based on their own postings. How can anyone respect a mod if you know they will not give you a fair crack of the whip. SittingB and eBandit had strong positions on opposite ends of the same argument and then you give one the power to have the other banned!!!

I don't think I have ever had a problem with any mod but I too cannot give any credence to anything SittingBison does as a mod especially after this has been revealed. I think eBandit was actually correct to pus their side across.

Being warned for calling the Hog, hoggie!!! a true farce. I guess that now means I will also be banned.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I noted a few days ago that Sittingbison was not suitable for a mod position and it has already been borne out. What a shock.

It is possible to judge how even-handed people might be as mods based on their own postings. How can anyone respect a mod if you know they will not give you a fair crack of the whip. SittingB and eBandit had strong positions on opposite ends of the same argument and then you give one the power to have the other banned!!!

I don't think I have ever had a problem with any mod but I too cannot give any credence to anything SittingBison does as a mod especially after this has been revealed. I think eBandit was actually correct to pus their side across.

Being warned for calling the Hog, hoggie!!! a true farce. I guess that now means I will also be banned.

Lets be fair here - none of this is should be a mod issue.
What is happening here recently is more like kindergarden.

The mods have been pretty much asked to intervene in a childish spat. The preferred option should have been to tell Hoggie to shut up and stop trolling again. Instead they decided to ask people not to use something which was being done to troll. Edanbit got out trolled.

 

[alitogata]

Based on your posts and what we know about the popularity of professional road cycling in Greece (not the biggest sport around) im guessing the forum you link is a forum more about riding bikes as a passtime rather than about the professional race scene and its.controversies.

Totally different ball game.

No..it is a forum about all things that have to do with cycling in Greece including professional road cycling. Cycling is not unpopular in Greece as many believe, it is not well organised and has not enough infrastructure both as a sport and for urban use.

In our discussion now, in this forum are taking place log of discussions about politics and about things that the cycling communities demand from government and public transportation Ministry. So there are many reasons for flame comments.

And in the case of political discussions you can imagine how difficult was the mods position who in the past could be charged that they were unfrair because they supported the one or the other political view about f.e a thing that regards if the new highway code will include those who don't have brakes in their bikes, ( the fixies etc).

Any way I referred to this forum not as an absolute solution but as an example of alternative moderation that perhaps it would help people to moderate such a big forum like this.

My intention is not to judge or blame anyone, neither troll or interfere.. after all I don't know persons and situations, just knowing how these things work, from my own experience as administrator and moderator I wanted to give you my two cents in this thread..

I apologize if I offend anyone without knowing it..

 

[alitogata]

Lovely for you and that forum. Too bad the rest of us poor mistaken mods, admins and everyday users will never know the loveliness and perfection.

Susan

I am really sorry, if you get my posts with another way than my real intentions, which I wrote in the above post. In any case they were not to offent or be ironic to any person or any situation. I just said my opinion about situations that exist and I am involved. Perhaps my knowledge in English language doesn't allow me to be more accurate to what I want to express and gives different impressions than these that are intended.

Again I apologize if somehow I offended you.

 

[pmcg76]

Lets be fair here - none of this is should be a mod issue.
What is happening here recently is more like kindergarden.

The mods have been pretty much asked to intervene in a childish spat. The preferred option should have been to tell Hoggie to shut up and stop trolling again. Instead they decided to ask people not to use something which was being done to troll. Edanbit got out trolled.

Yes but then the mod of course sided with one particular poster which is obvious. If Hog was complaining about being called Hoggie, then you have to question the maturity level of the mod who was gullible enough to believe that. Goes back to my original point that said mod is not suitable for the position. I still do not get how the Hog gets away with what he does when many others would be banned forever.

I agree this place has got far to childish which is why I find myself reporting people which I never bothered with before.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Yes but then the mod of course sided with one particular poster which is obvious. If Hog was complaining about being called Hoggie, then you have to question the maturity level of the mod who was gullible enough to believe that. Goes back to my original point that said mod is not suitable for the position. I still do not get how the Hog gets away with what he does when many others would be banned forever.

I agree this place has got far to childish which is why I find myself reporting people which I never bothered with before.

Why would you question the maturity of the mod and not the (pretending to be) offended poster?!

Hoggie complains - forcing a mod to intervene, either mod lets it slide and people bait poor Hoggie or they ask people to dial it down. Hog wins every time.

 

[sittingbison]

Lets get this absolutely clear, ebandit was not banned for calling thehog "hoggie".

pmcg76, if you read Susans post on the subject of ebandits ban you would know this. Yet you choose to completely ignore this and make wild unsubstantiated claims about me as a moderator and a poster, assumptions based entirely on ebandits posts.

You have absolutely no idea about the content of the numerous private correspondence that took place between ebandit and myself. You have absolutely no idea if I was biased, or sided with or against anyone. You have absolutely no idea if I was even tempered or rude and aggressive. You have absolutely no idea about my position on the subject of "hoggie". You have absolutely no idea on who was being mature or not, or my tone and content.

ebandit had his own agenda which had nothing to do with "hoggie", and was in no doubt whatsoever about the "consequences" of his actions. ebandit flagrantly chose a course of action that inevitably led to his short ban, a course of action that would get any of us on this or any other forum given a holiday.

And lets get another thing clear. I don't have the power to ban anybody.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Lets get this absolutely clear, ebandit was not banned for calling thehog "hoggie".

pmcg76, if you read Susans post on the subject of ebandits ban you would know this. Yet you choose to completely ignore this and make wild unsubstantiated claims about me as a moderator and a poster, assumptions based entirely on ebandits posts.

You have absolutely no idea about the content of the numerous private correspondence that took place between ebandit and myself. You have absolutely no idea if I was biased, or sided with or against anyone. You have absolutely no idea if I was even tempered or rude and aggressive. You have absolutely no idea about my position on the subject of "hoggie". You have absolutely no idea on who was being mature or not, or my tone and content.

ebandit had his own agenda which had nothing to do with "hoggie", and was in no doubt whatsoever about the "consequences" of his actions. ebandit flagrantly chose a course of action that inevitably led to his short ban, a course of action that would get any of us on this or any other forum given a holiday.

And lets get another thing clear. I don't have the power to ban anybody.

I am going to cite "The Clinic vs B Wiggins". If you were not guilty you would just brush it off. I'll say no more.

btw Is 'Hoggy' allowed?

 

[sittingbison]

What kind of redunculous statement is that? Guilty? Guilty of what? That I dont necessarily agree with your opinion about Sir Wiggo? About Sky??

So there we have it, proof of the pudding.... because I have an opinion about something you disagree with I am unsuitable as a mod? What a laugh. I dont see you or pmcg76 or Del suggesting any of the admins are unsuitable as a mod because of THEIR opinions on Sky or any other matter.

As to the "hoggie" issue, can't you read? How many times does it have to be explained. ebandits ban was nothing to do with "hoggie".

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

What kind of redunculous statement is that? Guilty? Guilty of what? That I dont necessarily agree with your opinion about Sir Wiggo? About Sky??

So there we have it, proof of the pudding.... because I have an opinion about something you disagree with I am unsuitable as a mod? What a laugh. I dont see you or pmcg76 or Del suggesting any of the admins are unsuitable as a mod because of THEIR opinions on Sky or any other matter.

You're opinion of Sky or Wiggins or whatever was not the point. It was your reaction above.

As to the "hoggie" issue, can't you read? How many times does it have to be explained. ebandit's ban was nothing to do with "hoggie".

Actually, it was indirectly involved. He felt it was unfair that he was told not to use 'Hoggie' but others were allowed. That led him to say he was going to ignore the Mods.

Anyway, I am going to step away before I join ebandit...

 

[sittingbison]

You're opinion of Sky or Wiggins or whatever was not the point...

Thats interesting Pedro, seeing as you posted this:

I am going to cite "The Clinic vs B Wiggins". If you were not guilty you would just brush it off...

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Thats interesting Pedro, seeing as you posted this:

In which case you are missing the point of what I have said.

 

[thirteen]

i find it astonishing that people are rushing to judgement on sittingbison all because of what ebandit said???

i like ebandit and get on with him fine, but he does enjoy both baiting the hog and citing favouritism towards the hog at all turns (never mind that he was banned for a week -- the exact same punishment that ebandit is serving).

i don't always agree with the mods, but i am grateful for them and that they're willing to volunteer their own free time.

ffs, this place needs mods whether people like them or not. we may not be five year olds, but we sure act like them sometimes... since Susan cannot always be around to spank you (which many, even if not willing to admit it, would enjoy), give the new mod team a break and let them settle in.