Member Suspension Appreciation/Depreciation Thread

[Tom375]

But it is rarely that easy.
A quick recent example - an LA thread derailed with discussion on Clinton that lead in to US politics. But Clinton was fairly introduced, as it was linked to an article - and the rebuttal was fair because it corrected a comment made. This evolved in to a discussion/debate.

Another example - in the Sky (or any team/riders) thread you have one group who assume anyone says rider/team X,Y or Z dopes is trolling - the other will think that any claim the X.Y or Z is not doping, is trolling.



I am against lifetime bans - but 'standardization' only works for same offense, while both were trolling, Joachims level was much higher than TheHogs, so varying sanctions would apply.

True my good Doctor.. true. This sort of thing has happened to me a couple of times- in fact it happened to me today in the Pistorius forum where Homeopathic testosterone was brought up as this was part of the trial today unfortunately we got a bit side tracked, but i don't think anyone was deliberately derailing the thread, it was just a sort of side issue that come up and provided a bit of a laugh.

These situations are usually best moved on by a mod just coming in as Susan does and just saying "right back on topic"
I think the point is that you can usually see how this has happened sometimes its innocent - something related to the thread originally and just gone off track, but on other occasions you can see that its been brought about by deliberate baiting/trolling/personal attacks etc
I think there are certain threads such as the Sky and Armstrong ones which are more prone to deliberate derailment, baiting and personal attacks.
The Sky thread at the moment seems to me to have lost its value because there isn't really anything new to add there so people just go in there to wind each other up.

Anyway its not easy i appreciate that and no-one really knows what motivates different posters whether it be genuine or BS, can kind of tell over time though.

 

[Froome19]

But you do not know exactly why TheHog was banned.
So you cannot say that he is back doing what he got banned for again.

I can guess. And I have a feeling I would pretty accurate.

Sorry, not really sure what you are saying here.

Banning should be a last option, so i can see why mods would offer a warning first. Unless the mods put in severe 'rules' then there will always be some inconsistency which is perfectly understandable.

I don't mind inconsistency though obviously I would prefer consistency, but my point is that everybody on here has their own opinion and their own belief about how things should be run and which things are fair and which are not. Sticking to rules and not varying from them is therefore very difficult when people are banging on the door every second with different excuses. The many mods do not help the situation.

 

[ElChingon]

You obviously do not remember the circumstances which led to his ban.

Susan

I remember as clearly as I remember how a certain mod broke Dan's Tour time frame rules and not one thing was done. DAOTEC was left out to hang by taunts which are still there, unlike the mod's offensive posts which were for some odd reason removed, hummm... I still have the copy by the way.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

He was banned for insulting other members and then permanently banned for returning under another name while banned. Very much not allowed.

Susan

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I can guess. And I have a feeling I would pretty accurate.

That you have to guess means you do not know, simple.

But - why not post your opinion or guess?

I don't mind inconsistency though obviously I would prefer consistency, but my point is that everybody on here has their own opinion and their own belief about how things should be run and which things are fair and which are not. Sticking to rules and not varying from them is therefore very difficult when people are banging on the door every second with different excuses. The many mods do not help the situation.

Sure, but again you appear to be looking for consistent sanctions for different levels of rule breaking.
Whatever way you want to slice it TheHog and Joachim were doing different things.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I remember as clearly as I remember how a certain mod broke Dan's Tour time frame rules and not one thing was done. DAOTEC was left out to hang by taunts which are still there, unlike the mod's offensive posts which were for some odd reason removed, hummm... I still have the copy by the way.

I don't really remember Daotecs original 'offense' but you don't appear to rebut that they did something to get a sanction.
Coming back with a sock puppet or new account will make that a perma ban.

To the highlighted, then why not post them?

 

[ElChingon]

To the highlighted, then why not post them?

Welcome to the forum.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Welcome to the forum.

What does this even mean?

 

[ElChingon]

What does this even mean?

You have been here long enough to know better. In return, why don't you post the latest PM from a mod to you?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You have been here long enough to know better. In return, why don't you post the latest PM from a mod to you?

It was a PM?
You mentioned nothing about that in your original post:

I remember as clearly as I remember how a certain mod broke Dan's Tour time frame rules and not one thing was done. DAOTEC was left out to hang by taunts which are still there, unlike the mod's offensive posts which were for some odd reason removed, hummm... I still have the copy by the way.

 

[hiero2]

It was a PM?
You mentioned nothing about that in your original post:

El : Hummmm indeed. On the one hand, I might like to see the purported retained copies myself. On the other hand - without the whole thread, those posts may appear completely different in meaning from their intention.

On the third hand - this seems to be history, and getting involved will take time. I'm trying to make enough time to look at reported posts - and I'm not getting there yet. Do we really need to make allegations about some historical event, which may, or may not, be relevant at this moment (we only have your word, El!)? On final thought/hand, I don't think so. I'll regard this potential diversion as another pointless time-eater.

If you have a complaint, make it. Spit it out, and don't mince around. If you are out of bounds, we'll tell you first. Otherwise, it is history, and if we don't need to pay attention to it, I think it is pointless to bring it up. Unless you are trying to score debating points - which in itself is pointless - as it will ultimately only decrease your reputation.

Ok, I'm back to trying to wade through some of the received post complaints.

<wave!>

 

[Tom375]

El - Dr Mas: Hummmm indeed. On the one hand, I might like to see the purported retained copies myself. On the other hand - without the whole thread, those posts may appear completely different in meaning from their intention.

On the third hand - this seems to be history, and getting involved will take time. I'm trying to make enough time to look at reported posts - and I'm not getting there yet. Do we really need to make allegations about some historical event, which may, or may not, be relevant at this moment (we only have your word, El!)? On final thought/hand, I don't think so. I'll regard this potential diversion as another pointless time-eater.

If you have a complaint make it. Spit it out, and don't mince around. If you are out of bounds, we'll tell you first. Otherwise, it is history, and if we don't need to pay attention to it, I think it is pointless to bring it up. Unless you are trying to score debating points - which in itself is pointless - as it will ultimately only decrease your reputation.

Ok, I'm back to trying to wade through some of the received post complaints.

<wave!All four hands!>

Just as well you got all those hands Hiero help you with your wading..

 

[ElChingon]

It was a PM?
You mentioned nothing about that in your original post:

Quit being so obtuse, you post questions like its your first post, no wonder everyone gets in a spat with you, if you are totally confuse you should go read the rules then get back to me when you have fully read them and have understood them. Then and only then will you be able to take part in this thread. If you do not then you are just a fictitious forum thread animal seeking validation.

El : Hummmm indeed. On the one hand, I might like to see the purported retained copies myself. On the other hand - without the whole thread, those posts may appear completely different in meaning from their intention.

I have the whole thread, but this is before your time as a mod so you will be over ruled so you are barking up the wrong tree.

On the third hand - this seems to be history, and getting involved will take time. I'm trying to make enough time to look at reported posts - and I'm not getting there yet. Do we really need to make allegations about some historical event, which may, or may not, be relevant at this moment (we only have your word, El!)? On final thought/hand, I don't think so. I'll regard this potential diversion as another pointless time-eater.

Are you also implying the Joe Papp situation is also history and forgotten?

If you have a complaint, make it. Spit it out, and don't mince around. If you are out of bounds, we'll tell you first. Otherwise, it is history, and if we don't need to pay attention to it, I think it is pointless to bring it up. Unless you are trying to score debating points - which in itself is pointless - as it will ultimately only decrease your reputation.

Ok, I'm back to trying to wade through some of the received post complaints.

<wave!>

Again, this is before your time as mod so you have never seen the complaint or offending post, go ask in the mods thread we are not supposed to be able to view, you'll find it there if they actually took action on the matter, but I suspect it was erased from all to see as it would not look too good to have a mod post a ban-able post. In fact its in the mods thread here but I have not verified the post or complaint/infraction is still there. Again, if you review the rules like Dr. M is hopefully going to do to understand the situation you won't receive the post, but go ask the mods that were here I am sure they are free to share it with you, ask them, I'm sure they will be more than happy to hide it from you, or toss their hands up and say "what are you talking about". Are you noticing how your leader side steps the matter?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Quit being so obtuse, you post questions like its your first post, no wonder everyone gets in a spat with you, if you are totally confuse you should go read the rules then get back to me when you have fully read them and have understood them. Then and only then will you be able to take part in this thread. If you do not then you are just a fictitious forum thread animal seeking validation.

The only people who get in a spat with me are people who don't back up what they write. They also often attempt to make personal remarks rather than backing up what they write which would clear up any situation.

I have the whole thread, but this is before your time as a mod so you will be over ruled so you are barking up the wrong tree.



Are you also implying the Joe Papp situation is also history and forgotten?



Again, this is before your time as mod so you have never seen the complaint or offending post, go ask in the mods thread we are not supposed to be able to view, you'll find it there if they actually took action on the matter, but I suspect it was erased from all to see as it would not look too good to have a mod post a ban-able post. In fact its in the mods thread here but I have not verified the post or complaint/infraction is still there. Again, if you review the rules like Dr. M is hopefully going to do to understand the situation you won't receive the post, but go ask the mods that were here I am sure they are free to share it with you, ask them, I'm sure they will be more than happy to hide it from you, or toss their hands up and say "what are you talking about". Are you noticing how your leader side steps the matter?

What rule are people supposed to be looking up?

Here are the rules.

 

[ElChingon]

The only people who get in a spat with me are people who don't back up what they write. They also often attempt to make personal remarks rather than backing up what they write which would clear up any situation.


What rule are people supposed to be looking up?

Here are the rules.

Once again, you are making your self look just like your avatar, well I guess it suits this case. If you feel like there are no rules to obey then like I suggested post a PM you may have received from a mod here for all to see. No problem, right?

 

[MarkvW]

The only people who get in a spat with me are people who don't back up what they write. They also often attempt to make personal remarks rather than backing up what they write which would clear up any situation.


What rule are people supposed to be looking up?

Here are the rules.

If you've never been baited by Maserati, you've never been baited by the master.

 

[ElChingon]

If you've never been baited by Maserati, you've never been baited by the master.

The number one troll feeder on this forum!

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Once again, you are making your self look just like your avatar, well I guess it suits this case. If you feel like there are no rules to obey then like I suggested post a PM you may have received from a mod here for all to see. No problem, right?

Which thread was it that caused the brush up? I must have seen it but can't remember it.

You can PM me if it is something you don't want to get into in the moderation area.

Waves all around.

Weird thing happened after the big bugagalu with Joachim and Hoggie one of them had a twitter account and just started deleting tweets and finally killed the entire account. Weird no doubt.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

Which thread was it that caused the brush up? I must have seen it but can't remember it.

You can PM me if it is something you don't want to get into in the moderation area.

Waves all around.

Weird thing happened after the big bugagalu with Joachim and Hoggie one of them had a twitter account and just started deleting tweets and finally killed the entire account. Weird no doubt.

Now I am curious... Care to expand on this? Feel free to PM me.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

If you've never been baited by Maserati, you've never been baited by the master.

Hi Mark,
So, when I ask people to back up what they claim, I am the one baiting?
No Mark, I have a pretty good BS detector - as you well know.

Just to recap- this is the simple question I asked,
"...why not post them?"

To which the replies have been:

Welcome to the forum.

You have been here long enough to know better. In return, why don't you post the latest PM from a mod to you?

Quit being so obtuse, you post questions like its your first post, no wonder everyone gets in a spat with you, if you are totally confuse you should go read the rules then get back to me when you have fully read them and have understood them. Then and only then will you be able to take part in this thread. If you do not then you are just a fictitious forum thread animal seeking validation.
........

Once again, you are making your self look just like your avatar, well I guess it suits this case. If you feel like there are no rules to obey then like I suggested post a PM you may have received from a mod here for all to see. No problem, right?

The number one troll feeder on this forum!

What amusing is that I am the one who is supposed to be obtuse.

 

[hiero2]

El, Dr Mas, MarkvW, Pedro, etc;

End this conversation. It has become pointless. If the (very obtuse) references being made are to the Papp situation, I am aware of that issue. It IS history, and it is NOT forgotten - but there is NO need to revisit it today.

The Papp situation was, quite frankly, a he said/she said situation. Even if we had 6 "he's" and one "she", it doesn't matter - there was nothing that would stand as evidence in the matter. If El Chingon thinks that SOMETHING NEW has happened so that we can revisit history, then bring it, or don't bother talking about it.

That is sufficient clarity.

At the moment, speaking for myself, I am tolerating your personal attacks on each other, in THIS thread, as a vent-hole for such, ahem, stuff. If you don't feel reasonable at the moment, and don't feel you can restrain yourself, then please go have a cuppa, take 5, let the testosterone levels trickle down.

Have a nice day! <wave!>

 

[hiero2]

Just as well you got all those hands Hiero help you with your wading..

Yeah, man! I'm going up against Phelps in my next meet! You could hand it to me - as folks tell me I'm a handy guy when it comes to lending a hand!

 

[Tom375]

Yeah, man! I'm going up against Phelps in my next meet! You could hand it to me - as folks tell me I'm a handy guy when it comes to lending a hand!

New avatar?

 

[Tom375]

New avatar?

PS: - You might want to get rid of the swastika though despite obviously being a positive symbol in Hinduism, its got a bit of a bad rep since then!

 

[hiero2]

PS: - You might want to get rid of the swastika though despite obviously being a positive symbol in Hinduism, its got a bit of a bad rep since then!

Yeah - I remember something about a Godwin's law reference or something, eh?

Aauuumm. Aauuumm. . .