Menchov back in the light in 2012 at Katusha ?

[Gloin22]

This year in two GT's he didn't show any capabilities of wining. Nuf' said for me.

 

[Angliru]

And how many times haven't we seen him getting caught because of the lack of skills to positioning himself correctly? Let's not make him out to be good at it, shall we...?

I'm simply giving him credit when it's due him, which you don't seem willing or able to do.

 

[The Hitch]

If Contador gets banned as seems likely, then who is there to beat Menchov?

Evans yes but that is in no way a foregone conclusion. Evans is a year older, and anything can happen between him and Dennis on climbs and in tts.

Then who? Wiggins, Menchov is a better climber.
Samu. Menchov is a better tter.
Schleck, Menchov is a way better tter.

Everyone else, Menchov is better at both.

Menchov has as good a chance as anyone to win this. If he times his peak and avoids crashes and organiser screwjobs that is.

 

[Angliru]

This year in two GT's he didn't show any capabilities of wining. Nuf' said for me.

Yep, we better put a fork in'em cus he's done.

 

[theyoungest]

This year in two GT's he didn't show any capabilities of wining. Nuf' said for me.

Same goes for Evans in 2010

 

[just some guy]

If Contador gets banned as seems likely, then who is there to beat Menchov?

Evans yes but that is in no way a foregone conclusion. Evans is a year older, and anything can happen between him and Dennis on climbs and in tts.

Then who? Wiggins, Menchov is a better climber.
Samu. Menchov is a better tter.
Schleck, Menchov is a way better tter.

Everyone else, Menchov is better at both.

Menchov has as good a chance as anyone to win this. If he times his peak and avoids crashes and organiser screwjobs that is.

Cause Dennis is not a year older as well-

On form Dennis is in the contender group but imo he will not be a contender, but I could be wrong.

 

[will10]

If Contador gets banned as seems likely, then who is there to beat Menchov?

Menchov will beat Menchov.

 

[Kvinto]

Menchov will NOT win the Tour. Amen.

EDIT: otherwise i won't get over it

 

[Gloin22]

Same goes for Evans in 2010

Showed more at Giro then Menchov did, and was fatiguted by it in the Tour. While Menchov had Giro, and then Vuelta and with such competition he had in Vuelta he didn't do that well. and he himself said fatigue wasn't a problem from Giro

 

[Jukebox]

If Contador gets banned as seems likely, then who is there to beat Menchov?

Evans yes but that is in no way a foregone conclusion. Evans is a year older, and anything can happen between him and Dennis on climbs and in tts.

Then who? Wiggins, Menchov is a better climber.
Samu. Menchov is a better tter.
Schleck, Menchov is a way better tter.

Everyone else, Menchov is better at both.

Menchov has as good a chance as anyone to win this. If he times his peak and avoids crashes and organiser screwjobs that is.

+1

If on form, I dont see Evans being able to drop Menchov on any climb. And Evans is the only cyclist besides Contador that I rate as highly or higher than Menchov on this course. Seeing how they both are known to screw up their peaks, there is no clear cut favorite of the two. Menchov will podium this year, if not win.

 

[roundabout]

Menchov will NOT win the Tour. Amen.

Amen.

10 char

 

[theyoungest]

Showed more at Giro then Menchov did, and was fatiguted by it in the Tour. While Menchov had Giro, and then Vuelta and with such competition he had in Vuelta he didn't do that well. and he himself said fatigue wasn't a problem from Giro

Yeah. And he himself said that only towards the end of the Vuelta he found real form.

Menchov went into the season thinking he would ride the Tour, but the ASO made the ridiculous decision to exclude last year's no. 3 in favour of Saur-Sojacrap. It may have disrupted his season planning a little?

 

[The Hitch]

Cause Dennis is not a year older as well-

Cadel Evans February 14, 1977

Denis Menchov January 25, 1978

Who do you think is a year older?

 

[Thomsena]

I'm simply giving him credit when it's due him, which you don't seem willing or able to do.

I like Menchov. But I'm definitely not ready to give him credit for his positioning skills.

 

[roundabout]

Yeah. And he himself said that only towards the end of the Vuelta he found real form.

Menchov went into the season thinking he would ride the Tour, but the ASO made the ridiculous decision to exclude last year's no. 3 in favour of Saur-Sojacrap. It may have disrupted his season planning a little?

The wildcards were announced in January. On the 20th, the google search tells me. 107 days before the Giro start.

Edit: Giro wildcards were announced 2 months before the start

 

[theyoungest]

I like Menchov. But I'm definitely not ready to give him credit for his positioning skills.

Like I said, when he's good, this doesn't happen to him. You can tell his form from his positioning. Ergo he's not bad at it, just doesn't bother most of the time.

The wildcards were announced in January. On the 20th, the google search tells me. 107 days before the Giro start.

So his winter prep was already mostly done. And maybe it put a dent in his motivation. It certainly seemed that way throughout the season.

 

[Angliru]

I like Menchov. But I'm definitely not ready to give him credit for his positioning skills.

I'm giving him credit for it not being the seemingly every grand tour he enters type of issue that many here are implying.

 

[just some guy]

Cadel Evans February 14, 1977

Denis Menchov January 25, 1978

Who do you think is a year older?

You said nice wiggle room found there Hitch - could be read both ways

 

[roundabout]

So his winter prep was already mostly done. And maybe it put a dent in his motivation. It certainly seemed that way throughout the season.

Now you seem to be making excuses. Would Nibali not knowing his exact GT schedule on the 18th of January 2012 have his season planning disrupted?

I will go to the Giro to win. I really want the Giro, and afterwards, I will try to win the Vuelta

It's possible that he wasn't as motivated but that is speculation territory...

 

[The Hitch]

I will go to the Giro to win. I really want the Giro, and afterwards, I will try to win the Vuelta

Did Menchov say that and if so, do you have a source?

 

[roundabout]

Did Menchov say that and if so, do you have a source?

No, I make all quotes up.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...nchov-targeting-Giro-and-Vuelta-for-2011.aspx

 

[theyoungest]

Now you seem to be making excuses. Would Nibali not knowing his exact GT schedule on the 18th of January 2012 have his season planning disrupted?

Maybe not, but Nibali isn't Menchov, who maybe has a little more difficult character.

I'm not making excuses for the guy, I think it's obvious that he didn't have his best form for most of the year so I don't need to.

 

[The Hitch]

No, I make all quotes up.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/7...nchov-targeting-Giro-and-Vuelta-for-2011.aspx

What I meant was was it Menchov or Nibali since you also mentioned him also in your post.

Good memory though.

Anyway, now that we have established that it was Menchov my follow up question would be when did he find out that Contador was riding the Giro also, since that might have killed his motivation now that he would no longer be favourite.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Of course I'm going to win it. Others have no chance what so ever, I even hope that little Spanish beef boy races. Would like to make fun of him. See you in July.

 

[jens_attacks]

menchov now seriously speaking is one of the biggest favourites for le tour.my arguments:

only grand tour he cares about
he will be again a timetrial beast in july
and my supreme one is that in the vuelta,stage to angliru i think,he said to himself something like "lolwut look at me i have again the 2009 giro form,i could even win this vuelta".fortunately,cobo was up front.my guess is if he will be in giro 2009 form with those shiitloads of watts,he will reach the podium.no chance though to touch alberto.
but i'd like to see menchov completing the collection