Men's U23 races and talents

[QueenStagiaire]

I have to ask, does anybody know how or which metric is being used to round off times? I'm pretty sure numbers 0 to 4 are mathematically rounded off downward, while 5 to 9 is rounded off upward.

According to PCS, these are the times for GC:

1	Seixas Paul	France	2		7:19
2	Finn Lorenzo	Italy			,,
3	Schrettl Marco	Austria			0:07
4	Ramírez Mateo	Ecuador			0:08
5	Nordhagen Jørgen	Norway			,,
6	Widar Jarno	Belgium			0:10
7	Rafferty Adam	Ireland			0:12
8	O'Brien Liam	Ireland			0:13
9	Torres Pablo	Spain			0:14
10	Øxenberg Peter	Denmark			0:18

while they should be (assuming PCS stage results are correct):

1	Seixas Paul	France	2		7:19
2	Finn Lorenzo	Italy			0:01
3	Schrettl Marco	Austria			0:08
4	Ramírez Mateo	Ecuador			0:08
5	Nordhagen Jørgen	Norway			0:09
6	Widar Jarno	Belgium			0:10
7	Rafferty Adam	Ireland			0:13
8	O'Brien Liam	Ireland			0:14
9	Torres Pablo	Spain			0:14
10	Øxenberg Peter	Denmark			0:18

The method of rounding down to the Full second in Overall time, as it‘s done in road stages.

 

[AlfaLum]

Three of the top4 born in 2006.

The new 1990

 

[KZD]

Great start for Seixas but very disappointed that there was no broadcast.

 

[yaco]

Where is Pavel Novak? not selected in the Czech team.

 

[hayneplane]

Great start for Seixas but very disappointed that there was no broadcast.

The road stages are on Discovery+ in the UK

 

[Hugh Januss]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's the new math!

 

[Hugh Januss]

I have to ask, does anybody know how or which metric is being used to round off times? I'm pretty sure numbers 0 to 4 are mathematically rounded off downward, while 5 to 9 is rounded off upward.

According to PCS, these are the times for GC:

1	Seixas Paul	France	2		7:19
2	Finn Lorenzo	Italy			,,
3	Schrettl Marco	Austria			0:07
4	Ramírez Mateo	Ecuador			0:08
5	Nordhagen Jørgen	Norway			,,
6	Widar Jarno	Belgium			0:10
7	Rafferty Adam	Ireland			0:12
8	O'Brien Liam	Ireland			0:13
9	Torres Pablo	Spain			0:14
10	Øxenberg Peter	Denmark			0:18

while they should be (assuming PCS stage results are correct):

1	Seixas Paul	France	2		7:19
2	Finn Lorenzo	Italy			0:01
3	Schrettl Marco	Austria			0:08
4	Ramírez Mateo	Ecuador			0:08
5	Nordhagen Jørgen	Norway			0:09
6	Widar Jarno	Belgium			0:10
7	Rafferty Adam	Ireland			0:13
8	O'Brien Liam	Ireland			0:14
9	Torres Pablo	Spain			0:14
10	Øxenberg Peter	Denmark			0:18

They got some right.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The method of rounding down to the Full second in Overall time, as it‘s done in road stages.

I was afraid of that. Since riders' times are only relevant in reference to each other. Especially in a TT. It kind of defeats the purpose. You could now lose by 0.001 seconds and get slapped with 1 second in GC, depending on the overall time.

 

[Netserk]

I was afraid of that. Since riders' times are only relevant in reference to each other. Especially in a TT. It kind of defeats the purpose. You could now lose by 0.001 seconds and get slapped with 1 second in GC, depending on the overall time.

The GC is with the split seconds, so it changes nothing in the GC order.

 

[Red Rick]

The GC is with the split seconds, so it changes nothing in the GC order.

But outside of TTs you can take 0.5 seconds easily and never get any seconds.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Can't even get a decent early break going after 55k in a U23 race anymore

 

[Netserk]

But outside of TTs you can take 0.5 seconds easily and never get any seconds.

TTTs are also in whole seconds, so there anything between 0 and 2 seconds of difference can result in a 1 second gap.

 

[Samamba]

Pericas DNF. 1 flat stage and already 1 one of the top guys out. He won't be the last.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Guy in the Italian champs jersey is quite good, can't see him lasting much longer though, done a lot.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Hobbs takes it, good leadout.

 

[RedheadDane]

A shame Bevort couldn't hold it...

(And now I just realised that made it look like he needed to pee... or more...)

 

[Tim Cahill]

Schrettl, Jarno, Ramirez, Torres 7s timeloss

 

[yaco]

Hobbs has a seriously fast sprint which should translate to the WT.

 

[Onizuka999]

Pericas didn't finish.

 

[Tim Cahill]

This guys younger brother by the way is also a massive promise, not concentrated much on the road yet but he's just won the junior kilo and omnium wc, signed for Visma Dev so lets see.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I was afraid of that. Since riders' times are only relevant in reference to each other. Especially in a TT. It kind of defeats the purpose. You could now lose by 0.001 seconds and get slapped with 1 second in GC, depending on the overall time.

That would still be the case if said thousandth of a second took the fraction above 0.5. It just shifts the critical point.
In a race for which eligibility is determined by a truncated age criterion, we can't really complain about truncation rather than rounding to nearest integer for times.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

A dozen posts arguing about thread distinctions deleted

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

That would still be the case if said thousandth of a second took the fraction above 0.5. It just shifts the critical point.
In a race for which eligibility is determined by a truncated age criterion, we can't really complain about truncation rather than rounding to nearest integer for times.

When the relative time differences between riders were to be used as measuring stick with the winner as the reference, you will never have the runner up finish 0.001 s behind the winner and be set back an entire second, which now could be the case depending on the overall time. You could argue that for riders further down, it would just shift the point, that's true.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Big break of 20 with 2 minutes, involving veteran of the race Simon Dalby, who seems keen to finish this stage as soon as possible as he has to be back at the home by 4.

 

[ingsve]

Are we seeing the same phenomenon as in Giro Next Gen that the teams are not able to control the race so big break aways go off and manages to stay away. In the Giro Next Gen it had direct impacts on the overall race since the top 4 all gained time by being in big break aways.

In todays stage it's Dalby and Turconi that seem to be the biggest threats to the overall out of the 20 riders, unless there is a good climber I didn't recognize.