Michael Rogers positive for clenbuterol

[BroDeal]

Yes, so the argument that a team cannot bring their own food is proved wrong.

At the 2008 Beijing Olympics there were 5000 blood and urine tests on athletes. One clenbuterol positive.
Apparently everybody was bringing their own food.

No. There is a big difference between an Olympic committee going through all the red tape to import 30,000 pounds of food when the Chinese will bend over backwards to make their Olympics a success and a few people who want to fly into the country with a cooler of fresh meat.

Also, the Chinese produced food specifically for the Olympic village. It was not what you get from the regular Chinese food supply.

 

[thehog]

No. There is a big difference between an Olympic committee going through all the red tape to import 30,000 pounds of food when the Chinese will bend over backwards to make their Olympics a success and a few people who want to fly into the country with a cooler of fresh meat.

Also, the Chinese produced food specifically for the Olympic village. It was not what you get from the regular Chinese food supply.

McDonalds had their own restaurant in the Village at Beijing. All imported.

Bolt famously ate over 600 chicken McNuggets in two weeks.

Edit: make that a 1000.

The fastest man alive has revealed the secret to his success: fast food.
Jamaican sprinter Usain Bolt says he ate 100 McDonald's chicken McNuggets a day at the 2008 Olympics.

During his ten days in Beijing, he estimates he downed 1,000 McNuggets as he set three world records, earned three gold medals and dashed onto the world stage.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ets-A-DAY-Beijing-Olympics.html#ixzz2oM4dfrkq

 

[the sceptic]

I imagine if Bolt finds out about marginal gains he can easily improve his records by 10%

 

[mewmewmew13]

McDonalds had their own restaurant in the Village at Beijing. All imported.

Bolt famously ate over 600 chicken McNuggets in two weeks.

Edit: make that a 1000.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ets-A-DAY-Beijing-Olympics.html#ixzz2oM4dfrkq

gheez HORNER should go camp out there..

 

[DirtyWorks]

Only if they test +ve too ... don't remember reading about a load more.

This is the problem with the contaminated meat excuse.

I'd believe it was tainted meat if half a dozen riders were positive too. But there aren't (m)any others testing positive. And now we have too long threads wondering why the rules don't permit small amounts of PED's.

Interesting that the UCI is claiming clen tests are run all of the time. The UCI's anti-doping claims are as reliable as a statement from Armstrong.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

I imagine if Bolt finds out about marginal gains he can easily improve his records by 10%

It was the metabolites of McNuggets that did the trick - especially the batter.

 

[McLovin]

Don't get the 'he was at his best with Sky" fashion here.
In the first year with Sky he got nothing. The second was very good, that's correct. But not sure if his best. His best was his in youth years. He is the first triple ITT WC ever. He trashed Ullrich a few days before Tour in swiss Alps. He worked like a horse for Kloden in 2006 and still managed a top 10 in 2006 Tour. In fact he and Kloden were the only two who could follow Landis for a few minutes.
And even we assume 2012 was his best, was not his best by far, he was not a one hit wonder. And this year he was 2 stages away for another solid top 10 in the Tour.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Don't get the 'he was at his best with Sky" fashion here.

Because you missed all the 2012 discussion, clearly. When the rider himself says, "I am hitting the best power numbers ever", I am inclined to accept that he knows what he is talking about. Feel free to join Krebs Cycle in disagreeing.

 

[McLovin]

Because you missed all the 2012 discussion, clearly. When the rider himself says, "I am hitting the best power numbers ever", I am inclined to accept that he knows what he is talking about. Feel free to join Krebs Cycle in disagreeing.

Ok, didn't heard that. But if, let's assume he was doping with something new while at Sky, he would then yelled because of happiness regarding his performances? Strange.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ok, didn't heard that. But if, let's assume he was doping with something new while at Sky, he would then yelled because of happiness regarding his performances? Strange.

Yelled? It was part of an interview, don't think he was yelling.

What's really strange is Sky cracking down on their ZTP and ejecting staff who were mentioned in the USADA reasoned decision. Then quietly shuffling off Mick Rogers, who rode really well in 2012, and was lauded as the road captain of the team of the first Brit to ever win a Tour.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Yelled? It was part of an interview, don't think he was yelling.

What's really strange is Sky cracking down on their ZTP and ejecting staff who were mentioned in the USADA reasoned decision. Then quietly shuffling off Mick Rogers, who rode really well in 2012, and was lauded as the road captain of the team of the first Brit to ever win a Tour.

Rogers was named in Leipheimer's affidavit. Training with the then-banned Ferrari alongside noted clean names Levi Leipheimer, Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. Was going to be hard to spin him signing the "we've never been involved in doping" white paper.

Which they ripped off from Катюша anyway, and does anybody believe Катюша are clean?

 

[GJB123]

why can't they just get their protein needs from whey shakes for the time that they are in China?

Because in principal you can not bring in those either. Look it up, it is quite a simple google search. Travelers are not allowed to have any food products (be it meat based or plant based) whatsoever.It is very strict at least from the letter of the law.

 

[GJB123]

It's called eating rice and legumes for a few days.



Ahhhh!!! The food menace is everywhere!!! AAAAAHHHHH!!!

Please explain to me HOW a farmer would use clenbuterol in their veggies. Injecting steroids into an eggplant would benefit the farmer?

Where did I state they use clen for vegetables? You are just being silly here. All I am saying is that given the long, long list of food sacred and food scandals i China on all types pf food I personally would be very skeptical of everything you get to eat in China, not just for false positives for PED's but for fear of falling ill also.

 

[neineinei]

Comparing Lulus departure from Belkin with Rogers from Sky speaks volumes about Skys transparency. It is nothing but newspeak.

 

[GJB123]

Apparently USA olympic team brought their own food to China!

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=3256375



http://www.channel4.com/4food/features/inside-the-olympic-kitchen

That was for support staff that weren't allowed to eat in the Olympic village and I bet it took them quite some tome to get that set up given the usual rd tape in China.

For the Olympic athletes the food in the Olympic village was very strictly monitored according to your link.

Also it highlights the (extensive) use of pesticides and insecticides in growing vegetables in China, which should give you a clue as to why I would;t be overly happy as an athlete to be only eating locally produced veggies.

 

[GJB123]

Yes, so the argument that a team cannot bring their own food is proved wrong.

At the 2008 Beijing Olympics there were 5000 blood and urine tests on athletes. One clenbuterol positive.
Apparently everybody was bringing their own food.

Nope, as linked article alleges China went out of it's way to make sure they got the chain of food supply under control for meals in the Olympic village. I am pretty sure UCI didn't go to those lengths to assure that nor did the hotels the riders stayed at.

 

[Benotti69]

Nope, as linked article alleges China went out of it's way to make sure they got the chain of food supply under control for meals in the Olympic village. I am pretty sure UCI didn't go to those lengths ti assure that nor did the hotels the riders stayed at.

And yet you want to think so called professionals like Rogers and Team Saxo cant get it together to avoid contamination.

Only 2 contamination cases from ToB and Japan, yet apparently over 50% of riders ate the same? So that ends the debate really doesn't it. Only 2 clen positives for over 50% who ate meat in China.

Hope Rogers never comes back to the sport.

 

[Ferminal]

Rogers was named in Leipheimer's affidavit. Training with the then-banned Ferrari alongside noted clean names Levi Leipheimer, Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. Was going to be hard to spin him signing the "we've never been involved in doping" white paper.

Which they ripped off from Катюша anyway, and does anybody believe Катюша are clean?

Why bother with the USADA thing? He has already admitted to working with Ferrari. Ferrari provides details on dosing PEDs. Michele is a high roller, he is not interested in advising people on how to become the best in the world through "training with power", he tells you when to use PEDs for maximum benefit and minimum risk.

Name one clean athlete he has worked with? Why, as an AIS alumni would you go to Ferrari and spend 10% of your wage when you can get expert advice in Varese? Why, as a clean athlete would you seek and fund the most notorious doping facilitator in the sport who has actively deprived you of fame and financial reward?

Ferrari = Doping, the idea that a "clean athlete" pays Michele Ferrari for training advice unrelated to doping is ridiculous, and even entertaining the thought that Ferrari =/= doping perpetuates that myth.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Why bother with the USADA thing? He has already admitted to working with Ferrari. Ferrari provides details on dosing PEDs. Michele is a high roller, he is not interested in advising people on how to become the best in the world through "training with power", he tells you when to use PEDs for maximum benefit and minimum risk.

Name one clean athlete he has worked with? Why, as an AIS alumni would you go to Ferrari and spend 10% of your wage when you can get expert advice in Varese? Why, as a clean athlete would you seek and fund the most notorious doping facilitator in the sport who has actively deprived you of fame and financial reward?

Ferrari = Doping, the idea that a "clean athlete" pays Michele Ferrari for training advice unrelated to doping is ridiculous, and pretending that Ferrari =/= doping perpetuates that myth.

Of course, but I'm talking about in relation to Sky's ZTP. Keeping Rogers after getting rid of Barry, de Jongh and Yates on the Катюша declaration was completely untenable. The connections to Ferrari were known before they hired him, but as it was all dropped the average casual fan may not have been aware and Sky could have hidden away from it. They had to deal with it because the Reasoned Decision and the related documents were a big, big deal in cycling at the time and reached far beyond the realms of the hardcore fans so that casual fans would be aware of its contents and ramifications.

Any hardcore cycling fan worth their salt knew Mick Rogers was shady as all hell before the Reasoned Decision. But once that came, the casual fans could find out and draw connections Sky did not want, so they had to get rid of him too.

But since guys like de Jongh and Yates were in the cars, the casual fans would never see them, and Barry was retiring anyway, the impact could be kept minimal. "Sky fire background staff because of doping connection" reads quite well from a PR standpoint - they can downplay the significance of those people. "Sky fire key domestique and road captain because of doping connection" doesn't read so well, because that guy was an important cog in Wiggins' TDF win, and they don't want that to be placed in any doubt. Hence the "under cover of night" offloading of him to Saxo.

 

[GJB123]

And yet you want to think so called professionals like Rogers and Team Saxo cant get it together to avoid contamination.

Only 2 contamination cases from ToB and Japan, yet apparently over 50% of riders ate the same? So that ends the debate really doesn't it. Only 2 clen positives for over 50% who ate meat in China.

Hope Rogers never comes back to the sport.

How many of this riders were actually tested?

You made it abundantly clear that the goal (getting rid of a known doper such as Mick "the Dodger" Rogers) justifies the means (a positive that might be due to contamination) for you. And you are entitled to that point of view but I am as much entitled to have my point of view. I want Rogers to be hung for doping not for a possible contamination case. Not because for Rogers' sake, but for the sake of other, clean riders who might end up being suspended due to the fact that WADA just can't seem to acknowledge that contamination is actually an issue that needs to addressed.

As it is and based on the facts we have, you simply can't state with any degree of certainty that is was clen contamination or willful ingestion of clen. Until then I will reserve judgement even on a guy like Rogers.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Rogers was named in Leipheimer's affidavit. Training with the then-banned Ferrari alongside noted clean names Levi Leipheimer, Alexander Vinokourov and Andrey Kashechkin. Was going to be hard to spin him signing the "we've never been involved in doping" white paper.

I am well aware he was named.

It's still strange. Pretty sure the timeline has a press release saying all riders have signed, and then Rogers left, for "financial reasons".

All very strange.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And by strange, I mean, "completely fvcking ridiculous".

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I see dots..

http://ftp.cyclingnews.com/features/?id=2003/ais_juniors_get_ready

 

[Benotti69]

How many of this riders were actually tested?

ToB was 5 stages, Minimum of 3 riders a day tested. So that is 15 riders and only 1 tested positive for Clen, Breyne.

You made it abundantly clear that the goal (getting rid of a known doper such as Mick "the Dodger" Rogers) justifies the means (a positive that might be due to contamination) for you. And you are entitled to that point of view but I am as much entitled to have my point of view. I want Rogers to be hung for doping not for a possible contamination case. Not because for Rogers' sake, but for the sake of other, clean riders who might end up being suspended due to the fact that WADA just can't seem to acknowledge that contamination is actually an issue that needs to addressed.

As it is and based on the facts we have, you simply can't state with any degree of certainty that is was clen contamination or willful ingestion of clen. Until then I will reserve judgement even on a guy like Rogers.

So we have 1 rider (Breyne) out of 198 of which 50% ate meat testing positive from a minimum of 15 tests. I dont think that anyone can claim contamination from those figures.

Then Rogers tests positive in Japan and again it is 1 more rider out of nearly 200 riders. it doesn't point to contamination, it points to doping, which Rogers has history of and was ditched from Sky because of his doping history. Riis and his riders has a history of doping to add to this pathetic story so i dont believe it was contamination and IF it was, well F*#k Rogers because he was not a repentant rider for working with Ferrari.

 

[GJB123]

ToB was 5 stages, Minimum of 3 riders a day tested. So that is 15 riders and only 1 tested positive for Clen, Breyne.




So we have 1 rider (Breyne) out of 198 of which 50% ate meat testing positive from a minimum of 15 tests. I dont think that anyone can claim contamination from those figures.

Then Rogers tests positive in Japan and again it is 1 more rider out of nearly 200 riders. it doesn't point to contamination, it points to doping, which Rogers has history of and was ditched from Sky because of his doping history. Riis and his riders has a history of doping to add to this pathetic story so i dont believe it was contamination and IF it was, well F*#k Rogers because he was not a repentant rider for working with Ferrari.

Your numbers are off. Breyne was positive on a different race in China than the ToB. But I will grant you that I would have expected more positives than we currently have. On the other hand if Race Radio is correct (check his twitter) that the UCI didn't check for clen in China during the ToB, it becomes a lot less unlikely that Rogers is the only one who gets caught out by winning a few days later in Japan, where they did check for clen. How many of the riders coming of the back of the ToB did they check in Japan?

As to the bolded, thanks for proving my point. Your entitled to feel that way, as I am to feel differently, without one point of view being better than the other mind you. I can understand why you would say that, however I think you are wrong.