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Krzysztof_O

Krzysztof_O

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How likely is a scenario that Pog attacks on Cipressa with a few other strong guys and they cooperate till Poggio? Would anyone want to work or would they all simply wheelsuck then? Imagine Pogi + Ganna early attack.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
How likely is a scenario that Pog attacks on Cipressa with a few other strong guys and they cooperate till Poggio? Would anyone want to work or would they all simply wheelsuck then? Imagine Pogi + Ganna early attack.
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I think Pippo would work. VdP depends on race situation and Philipsen's shape.
 
Krzysztof_O

Krzysztof_O

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I think Pippo would work. VdP depends on race situation and Philipsen's shape.
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Ganna has a monster watt engine so his help on the flat part would be huge for Pogi. The risk for Ganna would be being caught or dropped on Poggio (esp. if Cipressa had thermonuclear pace). Possible reward: only one rival in the finale.
 
Berniece

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Krzysztof_O said:
How likely is a scenario that Pog attacks on Cipressa with a few other strong guys and they cooperate till Poggio? Would anyone want to work or would they all simply wheelsuck then? Imagine Pogi + Ganna early attack.
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Unless they have a rider in group behind I can see them work with him. If you would get a group of the 5 top favourites. Pogi, MVDP, Ganna, Pedersen, and Pidcock. I think all of them would work together besides MVDP if Philipsen is in the group behind them.
 
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Berniece said:
Unless they have a rider in group behind I can see them work with him. If you would get a group of the 5 top favourites. Pogi, MVDP, Ganna, Pedersen, and Pidcock. I think all of them would work together besides MVDP if Philipsen is in the group behind them.
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Anyone but Pogacar and MvdP would be braindead to ride.
 
Peyroteo94

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Every weather forecast I see gives a 50% chance of rain. Some italian forum member can tell me how will be the wind and rain on Saturday?
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Every weather forecast I see gives a 50% chance of rain. Some italian forum member can tell me how will be the wind and rain on Saturday?
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The weather and weather forecast will be changeable between now and Saturday night. Ipso facto.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
How likely is a scenario that Pog attacks on Cipressa with a few other strong guys and they cooperate till Poggio? Would anyone want to work or would they all simply wheelsuck then? Imagine Pogi + Ganna early attack.
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Their (literally anyone) only chance to hang within 10 seconds of Pogi on the poggio is to wheelsuck between climbs
 
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Berniece said:
Unless they have a rider in group behind I can see them work with him. If you would get a group of the 5 top favourites. Pogi, MVDP, Ganna, Pedersen, and Pidcock. I think all of them would work together besides MVDP if Philipsen is in the group behind them.
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But that doesn’t mean those other riders would even choose to follow on Cipressa (of course everyone tries to follow on Poggio) except perhaps MVDP. The others might rather let their teams keep them close until the Poggio. Even strong riders might think they have better odds of winning (I.e., in a finishing sprint) by staying in the main group and catching Pog before the Poggio than they would by going into the red to follow and then ride for in a 3-4 person group with Pog from which he will launch multiple attacks.
 
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rghysens said:
If there´s a group of 40 riders 30" back at the start of the flat between Cipressa and Poggio, how many of them will really work to reel him in? How long will it take before that cooperation will run smoothly? And how much time can they take back on one of the best tt´ers of the field?
Having 30" on the Cipressa is a lot.
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First of all, they would be 30’ back at the top of the Cipressa so will have the descent and the flat to chase him down. Although 30’ to Pogacar would indeed be tough, but don’t know that he can creat that big a gap on a shallow climb.
As for who will chase:: certainly everyone on the sprinter’s teams will be all in.
 
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So after Jasper's crash things get more interesting from a tactics point of view, if it has impacts, which crashes almost always do, no need for MVDP to sit on wheels and hope / assist it to come back together for a sprint.
 
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Sciatic said:
First of all, they would be 30’ back at the top of the Cipressa so will have the descent and the flat to chase him down. Although 30’ to Pogacar would indeed be tough, but don’t know that he can creat that big a gap on a shallow climb.
As for who will chase:: certainly everyone on the sprinter’s teams will be all in.
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Read matxin believes a sub 9 cipressa will yield no more than 20 for the chase and finish if the race. Out of this number will be very few able and willing to drag everyone to pog.
 
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