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God the Dutch newspapers on VdP right now make me so happy he lost. They were talking as if they were seriously hoping for a winning Cipressa attack.
yeah that was ridicolous to begin with. Everyone knows it's suicide. Even VDP himself.

I'm also starting to think instead of a shoe-in, MSR is not exactly suited to him. The high speed on the Poggio makes it quite hard to "out accelerate" anyone. And his poor positioning doesn't help either.

It's obviously possible for him to win this race but it might be even harder to win MSR than Lombardia... Definitely after watching strade and this.
 
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yeah that was ridicolous to begin with. Everyone knows it's suicide. Even VDP himself.

I'm also starting to think instead of a shoe-in, MSR is not exactly suited to him. The high speed on the Poggio makes it quite hard to "out accelerate" anyone. And his poor positioning doesn't help either.

It's obviously possible for him to win this race but it might be even harder to win MSR than Lombardia... Definitely after watching strade and this.
Yeah no short 100% efforts and recovery where he excels at. Just 6h of positioning and trying to stay below 200W.

Also the final sprint in Sanremo isn't one where accelerations is that important. It tends to be pretty led out and chaotic.

Lombardia I still don't believe in on the current route. Muro di Sormano and Civiglio are just too hard I think, I don't see how he can hang with the best climbers there. Yeah he got 10th last year but it was still 6 minutes down.

Van Aert is a way better bet to win all 5
 
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Well they both only have 1 so we should stop talking about 'all 5' until they have at least 3 monuments
Maybe. Still more chance than Gilbert though.

By the way I'm curious for MvdP in Paris Roubaix, somehow it doesn't seem like the greatest match to me.
 
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Maybe. Still more chance than Gilbert though.

By the way I'm curious for MvdP in Paris Roubaix, somehow it doesn't seem like the greatest match to me.

I know the competition isn’t the same at all, but GP Denain 2019 tells me the opposite of what you’re saying, the way he was riding those cobbles looked very impressive.

I also think Mathieu definitely has a chance of winning all 5 when in top form. I think it was quite clear that he didn’t have his day at MSR. He rode very defensively/reactionary up until his opening sprint. You can tell quite easily when he doesn’t have the legs.

He never attacked, never made any big pulls like he usually does... He finished 5th, after opening up his sprint early.

Y’all are acting as if this was the best Mathieu. It wasn’t.

Furthermore, talking about any of his results last year prior to Binckbank tour is futile imo. He was obviously far from his best form.

I’m not saying he’ll rip everything up and win with 100% certainty if in top form cause there are other riders who in top form are just as strong.
All I’m saying is, let’s see how he does this year when he’s at least had better preparation than last year before drawing any conclusions.

I do agree about Wout being the best bet though.
 
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The chances of one of PhilGil, Wout or MVP winning all 5 monuments are roughly similar. Close to zero.
Even Kelly didn't do it.
Kelly couldn't have got any closer ; three seconds in the Tour of Flanders. Eddy Merckx won all five. Not sure if anyone else has done it. Hinault only won three of them. Hard to believe that Valverde has only won one monument but he has won Liege four times. Moser, Argentin and Saronni won three of the five.
 

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Kelly couldn't have got any closer ; three seconds in the Tour of Flanders. Eddy Merckx won all five. Not sure if anyone else has done it. Hinault only won three of them. Hard to believe that Valverde has only won one monument but he has won Liege four times. Moser, Argentin and Saronni won three of the five.
De Vlaeminck and Van Looy both did it as well.
 
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I know the competition isn’t the same, but GP Denain 2019 tells me the opposite of what you’re saying.

I also think Mathieu definitely has a chance of winning all 5 when in top form. I think it was quite clear that he didn’t have his day at MSR. He rode very defensively/reactionary up until his opening sprint.

He never attacked, never made any big pulls like he usually does... He finished 5th, after opening up his sprint and everybody in his splistream profited from that.

Y’all are acting as if this was the best Mathieu. It wasn’t.
It also wasn't the best Alaphilippe. Etc. Also hard to have the legs in the end of the race when you waste energy for 6 hours being in bad position all the time.

Ofcourse he can win it. It's just very hard to pull off even when you're the best in the race. Ask Sagan. Also, GP Denain tells you very little.
 
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Kelly couldn't have got any closer ; three seconds in the Tour of Flanders. Eddy Merckx won all five. Not sure if anyone else has done it. Hinault only won three of them. Hard to believe that Valverde has only won one monument but he has won Liege four times. Moser, Argentin and Saronni won three of the five.
Bottling Lombardia is Valverdes greatest talent.
 
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Kelly couldn't have got any closer ; three seconds in the Tour of Flanders. Eddy Merckx won all five. Not sure if anyone else has done it. Hinault only won three of them. Hard to believe that Valverde has only won one monument but he has won Liege four times. Moser, Argentin and Saronni won three of the five.

I wonder whether Roglic will add any monuments to his LBL. Lombardia, maybe? Pogacar too wasn't too far back in Roglic's LBL if I remember correctly... Evenepoel still has to race a monument, right?
 
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Bottling Lombardia is Valverdes greatest talent.
Did he ever really “bottle” it? He missed the break a couple times, but that’s bike racing. There’s the Dan Martin year, but I still insist BMC blew that; they had Sanchez and Gilbert in the group, there was no reason to get caught out.

Hennie Kuiper won 4+Worlds. His best result at Liege was 2nd, 9 minutes behind Hinault in a snowstorm, and 2 other top 10s.
 
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One of the craziest monuments stats is that noone ever won 3 in 1 year except Merckx who did it 4 times. Will someone follow in his footsteps in the near future?
 
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Did he ever really “bottle” it? He missed the break a couple times, but that’s bike racing. There’s the Dan Martin year, but I still insist BMC blew that; they had Sanchez and Gilbert in the group, there was no reason to get caught out.

Hennie Kuiper won 4+Worlds. His best result at Liege was 2nd, 9 minutes behind Hinault in a snowstorm, and 2 other top 10s.

Sanchez did a turn on the front right before Martin attacked, but Valverde still looked at him first to chase.
 
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I was always of the belief that there should be 6 monuments. World Championship included.
 
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It also wasn't the best Alaphilippe. Etc. Also hard to have the legs in the end of the race when you waste energy for 6 hours being in bad position all the time.

Ofcourse he can win it. It's just very hard to pull off even when you're the best in the race. Ask Sagan. Also, GP Denain tells you very little.

That’s the whole point, you are proving my point. Furthermore, I just ask myself if the narrative for Alaf is that he is only at his best when he wins. Wasn’t at his best in SB, Tirreno, now MSR. Did he just not time his peak well or what?

As far as Mathieu goes, like I said, when he’s at his best you can easily tell. He’ll attack when he probably shouldn’t, pulls more than he should, and always rides proactively. Everything he didn’t do at MSR. At least that struck me as odd in his case. I suppose the same can be said for Alaf.

Point is, even when not at their best they were right there contesting the final. So as far as that goes MSR “suits” them all just fine.

Concerning GP Denain, like I said, the competition wasn’t comparable to Roubaix, but you can still tell how smooth someone looks riding the cobbles. He wreaked havoc in that race.

Lastly, surely GP Denain tells me more than having nothing else as a reference and thinking it’s not a great match.

Again, not saying he’ll win Roubaix now cause of GP Denain, just saying that at a lack of anything else as a reference, it looked like a match to me. He also seemed to really enjoy the cobbles. Let’s see what happens.
 
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Maybe. Still more chance than Gilbert though.

By the way I'm curious for MvdP in Paris Roubaix, somehow it doesn't seem like the greatest match to me.
I feel like in some ways PR is actually even more of an 'anyone can win' race than MSR. If you are a good rouleur you can win it even after age 35 if you have a super day.
Hayman, Vansummeren, Gilbert, etc.
 
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Why is it we use bottle as a verb in this forum? What does it mean?
No idea. Maybe it's Dutch English.
By the way I'm curious for MvdP in Paris Roubaix, somehow it doesn't seem like the greatest match to me.
I think it suits him to a T but of course there's a bit more of a random factor in Roubaix vs Flanders so who knows?
I was always of the belief that there should be 6 monuments. World Championship included.
Worlds is the uber-monument.
 
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Sanchez did a turn on the front right before Martin attacked, but Valverde still looked at him first to chase.
It was a tough choice. He must had reacted immediately to Martin's move, but he didn't. He watched BMC, didn't know Gilbert was cooked. Later was too late... In theory, he and Gilbert were the fastest of that group, Gilbert had a teammate, they could've control things, but they didn't. Theory is theory, racing is racing. He was very strong in that sprint, knowing that , he should've been on Martin's or any other wheel right away.