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Me too.2008885 said:
blackcat said:
Where has blackcat gone to? Still love to hear his explanation to his cranial plates theory.
WD-40. said:
Ahh phrenology! I think that was most popular back a few centuries in determining which folks had those atavistic traits that would make them bad, bad people
True science at its finest Blackcat, I know you have been about and have read this thread so how about answering the questions above relating to the "sharp brow ridges" doping connection.
Once again looking forward to your reply thanks.
WD
Once again looking forward to your reply thanks.
WD
we aint getting into eugenics here, smear all you like.Ripper said:Ahh phrenology! I think that was most popular back a few centuries in determining which folks had those atavistic traits that would make them bad, bad people
The salient factor is change. Not the last pic. If it changes. If it is good for Vaughters talking of he did not do that $hit cos it makes your head grow, and looking at Barry Bonds skull, you can tell, with a before and after.
Millar, difficult. The 30k mile seasons are catabolic, and all the non functional white and red intrafacial tissue atrophies.
folks got their natural bone structure. Baseline. Now if that changes, perhaps their is exogenous hormone supplementation. Or not.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/harvey-reveals-his-battle-with-brain-tumour-20100612-y4r2.html this person had no clinical illness until his pituitary gland started to excrete beyond normal level.
Hi Blackcat, thanks for responding.blackcat said:
I am well aware of agromegaly and its some of its effects but that is very different to sharpening the brow line with exogenous HGH or the like. Although I am no expert in it by ANY means, I think it is more complex than just an excess of HGH though somebody please correct me if I am wrong.
It is also the case that athletes faces can appear differently with water retention and fat gain/loss. This is obviously reversible and will vary with time.
The bottom line is that I have not seen ANYTHING showing that facial structure can be changed with doping even with bodybuilders who are using extremely high quantities of HGH. If anyone does know for sure that changes to the facial bones can be made with doping I would genuinely love to hear from them.
well, for staters, right on the acromegaly thing. But it does say that in the fairfax article, and if you see a bunch of MMA fighters, and the AFTER shots, they look a lot like Mark Harvey.
ofcourse, dead correct on fat and water. I should have been specific, re the white tissue. Well, I was specificall referring to ligament tendon cartiledge, and some subcutaneous, thin layer of fat. But should have been clear and specific, and separateed distinct forms as indivual tissue matter.
see the PM, and the actor (rapper) who did the Christian Bale transformation, and get back to me on that. There werre a few other instances, too.
ofcourse, dead correct on fat and water. I should have been specific, re the white tissue. Well, I was specificall referring to ligament tendon cartiledge, and some subcutaneous, thin layer of fat. But should have been clear and specific, and separateed distinct forms as indivual tissue matter.
see the PM, and the actor (rapper) who did the Christian Bale transformation, and get back to me on that. There werre a few other instances, too.
Ripper said:Ahh phrenology! I think that was most popular back a few centuries in determining which folks had those atavistic traits that would make them bad, bad people
Yep - what you really want is 'reverse-phrenology' (which I think was invented by Terry Pratchett in one of his Guards novels.) Want to be a successful businessman? The reverse phrenologist hist you in the head with a hammer. Want to be a great cyclist? The reverse phrenologist hits you in.... you get the idea..
well, the reverse phrenology thing, they did the ice-pic thru the frontal lobe for lobotomies in the early 20C for the mentally ill, and not even talking the third reich. It was common in some nascent psychiatric sanatoriums, for this method to be used. Just produced zombies in most cases.Martin318is said:Yep - what you really want is 'reverse-phrenology' (which I think was invented by Terry Pratchett in one of his Guards novels.) Want to be a successful businessman? The reverse phrenologist hist you in the head with a hammer. Want to be a great cyclist? The reverse phrenologist hits you in.... you get the idea..
remember what he had to say about the individual pursuiter and mediocre roadie Phillipe Gaumont.BroDeal said:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Millar-un-sport-redevenu-sain/294894
Millar says the sport is now cleaner, says that for a lot of rider it's mentally though to dope.
He also add that he dream he had had the mental toughness of Moncoutié since others respect him like few else.
Millar says the sport is now cleaner, says that for a lot of rider it's mentally though to dope.
He also add that he dream he had had the mental toughness of Moncoutié since others respect him like few else.
Why is Millar the de facto go-to guy on this subject?
He's had a pretty pedestrian career post-dope, he's not a domestique, not a leader, and he was quickly eclipsed at his so-called speciality years ago.
As for his experience with doping, it seems like he's spent more time apologizing for his transgressions than actually transgressing or putting in quality rides after the fact.
He seems woefully out of the loop on the biggest doping subject in cycling, which took place right under his very nose with nary a peep that would lead to any type of controversy.
So...why is anything he says important on this subject?
He's had a pretty pedestrian career post-dope, he's not a domestique, not a leader, and he was quickly eclipsed at his so-called speciality years ago.
As for his experience with doping, it seems like he's spent more time apologizing for his transgressions than actually transgressing or putting in quality rides after the fact.
He seems woefully out of the loop on the biggest doping subject in cycling, which took place right under his very nose with nary a peep that would lead to any type of controversy.
So...why is anything he says important on this subject?
Berzin said:
I agree. It is not like he did a Manzano and beared all. He did the minimum admittance and remained silent for years, now he is some kind of anti-doping know it all.
Benotti69 said:
Millar isnt anti-doping in an over all sense. Yes he might be there for younger riders and advice on why not to dope. The biggest service he could have given to cycling is to start the ball rolling on giving up the doctors , team managers and others involved in the whole mess. His silence on the issue is damning . On him and the sport.
London 2012: David Millar selected for GB road cycling team
London 2012: David Millar selected for GB road cycling team
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18701660
Go for it Dave!
London 2012: David Millar selected for GB road cycling team
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/18701660
Go for it Dave!
Millars Interview Post Stage Win
Oh so it has taken Mr Millar 'squeaky Clean' to stand up for Sky and the dope bullying....in his interview he couldnt say the word clean enough times...we are clean and all us brits are clean...oh and cycling is clean...and dont forget I am Mr Clean.....mr Posh full of the usual posh tosh.
Oh so it has taken Mr Millar 'squeaky Clean' to stand up for Sky and the dope bullying....in his interview he couldnt say the word clean enough times...we are clean and all us brits are clean...oh and cycling is clean...and dont forget I am Mr Clean.....mr Posh full of the usual posh tosh.
He was doing so well when he went out of his way to point out he was an (ex)doper. Then he blew it with his baseless assertions about Sky and British cycling. Nauseating.
Well done David on todays stage, you had a JOB to do and you WORKed hard to get it but you did.
WORK.....JOB.
How many of those slagging you off in this thread would snitch, squeal, grass,dig out their boss, friends, workmates whiles still in their place of employment?
Get a grip people, he's still got to make a living and let the guy repent as much as he wants for his mistakes
WORK.....JOB.
How many of those slagging you off in this thread would snitch, squeal, grass,dig out their boss, friends, workmates whiles still in their place of employment?
Get a grip people, he's still got to make a living and let the guy repent as much as he wants for his mistakes
Millar
so yes MILLAR did get caught but never did too well but still doing okay but some riders or has been caught coming back even stronger??????????let be objective the LONDON OLYMPIC are here now so what ever the cost all English athlete has too perform at any cost you be surprised how many medals they are going too win you be shock ,but they all be clean even they do faster performance or bet OLYMPIC record ,secret??????????
so yes MILLAR did get caught but never did too well but still doing okay but some riders or has been caught coming back even stronger??????????let be objective the LONDON OLYMPIC are here now so what ever the cost all English athlete has too perform at any cost you be surprised how many medals they are going too win you be shock ,but they all be clean even they do faster performance or bet OLYMPIC record ,secret??????????
Reading this thread has been really positive for me because it just emphasizes just what a bunch of dicks you mostly are. Really a bunch of cretins who basically know **** all about cycling ans the context of the last 20 years. You come on talk **** and pontificate about things u clearly have no understanding of. U throw around insinuations, "connect the dots"and just sslag off people trying their best with no grounding whatsover. Just to be clear I'm talking about bottom feeders like the hog and brodeal who clearly hate all cyclist and presume anyone who wins is a doper. I presume ill be banned for this but quite honestly why should i care when all you do is hate and besmerch anyone u dont like. Ttfn this forum is quickly becoming irrelevant
PS sorry for typos
PS sorry for typos
http://www.liberation.fr/sports/2012/07/12/david-millar-la-charge-des-mots_833047
The French aren't so accepting of Millar's words either. They point out he said Spain had no longer any organised doping in early 2006, and that Contador was clean in 2009.
The French aren't so accepting of Millar's words either. They point out he said Spain had no longer any organised doping in early 2006, and that Contador was clean in 2009.
it is quite simple.Turner29 said:
Listen to people speak in weasel words. And not simple English. Plain speaking.
Armstrong always goes to the weasal word trope. always.
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