So maybe Millar/JV are wasting their time (and ours) with this changing the sport from within, if they are really doing what they say are, and should be getting the police involved. Maybe a police force will come on board as a sponsor of the team.
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Guess who agrees with you (kind of)?Benotti69 said:So maybe Millar/JV are wasting their time (and ours) with this changing the sport from within, if they are really doing what they say are, and should be getting the police involved. Maybe a police force will come on board as a sponsor of the team.
“In fact cycling has always been ‘saved’ by judicial investigations and not by the anti-doping controls we put in place. That’s the harsh truth. We have relied on them to clean the sport up.
“Look at the facts. My own doping was uncovered by a French police investigation into my team, Cofidis. Operation Puerto was a massive undercover operation by the Spanish Police.
“The Festina Drug ring was unmasked in 1998 by vigilant customs officers making a drug bust and now the investigation into US Postal and Lance is being headed up by the FDA.”
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Duartista said:Ummm... Millar is acknowledging that change has been forced from without, not 'spouting on' about change coming from within. In any case, surely it is obvious that lasting change can only come from within.
Duartista said:Millar has undoubtedly said some foolish things, particularly about Landis last year. However, that doesn't mean he is necessarily an evil man or that Garmin is just a huge PR conspiracy. I've never seen any evidence of the latter.
Benotti69 said:Yep which makes what JV/Millar spout on about change from within a complete mockery. Its all bollox from them and they know it but have gone for the 'clean team' angle to sell themselves.
Dr. Maserati said:But do they "spout" on about a change from within?
DM/JV have certainly mentioned effecting changes from within their own team - which as I have often said is the only thing he can control - that is very different from effecting a change within the sport, which they have little control over.
Benotti69 said:http://www.slipstreamsports.com/200...a-news-vaughters-determined-to-clean-up-sport
article not available through the link, but Slipstream are happy enough with the headline
Dr. Maserati said:Here is the original article and it was the publication who used that headline
As I said - it was the publication who wrote the headline - to alter it would be extremely bad form.Benotti69 said:which as i said slipstream seem happy to repeat, but not link the article.
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Benotti69 said:which as i said slipstream seem happy to repeat, but not link the article.
Again - Garmin, Millar or JV did not write the article or the headline.Mrs John Murphy said:That sums up Garmin, Vaughters and Millar. It's all about the positive headline 'perception matters more than reality' rather than the substance.
Garmin/Millar/JV cannot on their own clean up the sport (nor have they said that is what they are doing).Mrs John Murphy said:If you say you are anti-doping then that is enough for some people, actually being anti-doping and doing something to clean up the sport is a whole other thing.
Dr. Maserati said:As I said - it was the publication who wrote the headline - to alter it would be extremely bad form.
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Benotti69 said:It is standard for the media to go for sensational headlines that do not convey anything close to the real thrust of the article and can be very misleading.
But as the journalists do not write the headlines, sub editors do. it would not be bad form at all to not use the headline. But 'as i said' Slipstream seem happy to use it and give the impression that they are changing the sport.
Dr. Maserati said:Again - Garmin, Millar or JV did not write the article or the headline.
Garmin/Millar/JV cannot on their own clean up the sport (nor have they said that is what they are doing).
All any of them can do is be responsible for their own team.
I know you would prefer that I don't reply - as you would be able to hold your ignorant view.Mrs John Murphy said:Yeah, yeah, yeah. You would say that wouldn't you. Shame you missed the ****ing point again.
You are to Vaughters what Polish, flicker and BPC are to Armstrong.
Don't bother replying because I'm not really interested in your vaughters fawning and apologia.
Duratista - why? All it needs is for someone to speak out against doping and Millar will be there making snide comments about them, or Vaughters will be giving it the old 'I am doing things but I can't tell you BS' which if it were anyone other than Vaughters most people would say 'bull****'. Vaughters claims are like the boy in the playground who claims his dad is actually a spy, but he can't talk about it.
Let me guess, Vaughters has done too much good for the sport to be challenged and criticised.
Vaughters is a snake oil salesman. Its a shame that people are so gullible as to buy into it.
Dr. Maserati said:I know you would prefer that I don't reply - as you would be able to hold your ignorant view.
As I have pointed out before (and you ignore) I have started threads being critical of JV and have taken him and his team to task for things that they control.
Unlike you - I can judge and be critical of JV/Garmin for things that they are responsible for.
blackcat said:we heard the story before with Obama, thats a vote I will never get back.
JV is the Obama of cycling. Gives a good speech, talks big, epic fail in practice.