Minsk World Championships

[Parker]

Track cycling will only go from strength to strength in The UK for the foreseeable future. We've dominated for a decade on the back of two indoor velodromes. Glasgow opened last winter, London and Derby should be operational in 2014. Comparisons with the Aussie swimmers at this stage are well wide of the mark. There's more chance of a cut in fuel duty than funding to UK cycling

The scary thing with the British team is how young they all are. Yates 20, Barker 18, James 21, Emadi 18, Olympic champs like Trott 20, King 22, Hindes 20. Jason Kenny's a veteran and he's only 24.

 

[MatParker117]

The scary thing with the British team is how young they all are. Yates 20, Barker 18, James 21, Emadi 18, Olympic champs like Trott 20, King 22, Hindes 20. Jason Kenny's a veteran and he's only 24.

Don't forget about the guys currently on the road Kennaugh, Cavendish, Swift, Wiggins.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

I hope Matt Crampton is not in receipt of any lottery or other public funding.

Won't win anything of note as long as he has a **** in his ****.

 

[JRanton]

I hope Matt Crampton is not in receipt of any lottery or other public funding.

Won't win anything of note as long as he has a **** in his ****.

Just beat Forstemann (second fastest in qualifying) to progress through.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Would be delighted to be proved wrong, but aged 26 with several other riders doing better, it's now clear he is not a remotely realistic medal threat in an Olympics in any event, so he shouldn't be getting paid for it buy the public purse.

Also worth noting the only reason he had a chance to beat the 2nd fastest in qualifying is because he was 23rd fastest.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

On a lighter note, Becky James seems like the real deal; extremely quick qualifying time on this track, and now progressing through the races faultlessly so far.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Women's Omnium underway.

Reminds me of a nice argument I had with a bookie on another forum who was furious at the suggestion that betfair could ever be anything other than a perfect representation of the known information, when I pointed out Trott was odds against before the last event in the Olympics, despite both PBs and form suggesting she would comfortably win the overall from that position.

 

[horsinabout]

Track cycling will only go from strength to strength in The UK for the foreseeable future. We've dominated for a decade on the back of two indoor velodromes. Glasgow opened last winter, London and Derby should be operational in 2014. Comparisons with the Aussie swimmers at this stage are well wide of the mark. There's more chance of a cut in fuel duty than funding to UK cycling

The BBC have been doing a pretty good job of explaining to the the wider public why GB isn't winning everything in Minsk, on the radio and TV. The broadsheets also doing their bit.

That said, you'd only bet on the women's Team Pursuit at the moment...

Think you have missed my point a little. When a nation wins a disproportionate number of medals over another comparable developed nation I think it is because they are getting heaps more funding. Thats how sport is these days.

I wasn't suggesting that GB cycling was going to loose its funding now, but way off in the future at some point it will happen, then it could be Aussie swimming...get it!

 

[martinvickers]

Are you refering to the Irish win in the scratch race? Well congratulations to the rider, glad your happy!

I am indeed. Classic balls-to-the-wall Irish style of winning; not a bit of science or form to it!

 

[martinvickers]

Think you have missed my point a little. When a nation wins a disproportionate number of medals over another comparable developed nation I think it is because they are getting heaps more funding. Thats how sport is these days.

I wasn't suggesting that GB cycling was going to loose its funding now, but way off in the future at some point it will happen, then it could be Aussie swimming...get it!

I think there's some merit in what you say, but one has to factor in -

1) swimming far wider talent base than track
2) Aussies, by the look of the recent report, had a psychological implosion of enormous proportions that is only partially linked to funding - the whole team culture seemed to go kaput - perhaps should have seen that coming with the return of that nut who assaulted a team mate - D'Arcy? Never a good sign when people like that get back.

 

[martinvickers]

Think you have missed my point a little. When a nation wins a disproportionate number of medals over another comparable developed nation I think it is because they are getting heaps more funding. Thats how sport is these days.

I wasn't suggesting that GB cycling was going to loose its funding now, but way off in the future at some point it will happen, then it could be Aussie swimming...get it!

That said, I'd be astonished if GB keeps up this level of Olympic dominance in track to Rio, funding or no funding - realistically 2-3 golds from 10 should normally considered a spectacular success - 14 from 20 is otherworldly, and can't be maintained realistically. GBR would be better looking at those areas they still fall short in...swimming especially.

 

[postmanhat]

Think you have missed my point a little. When a nation wins a disproportionate number of medals over another comparable developed nation I think it is because they are getting heaps more funding. Thats how sport is these days.

I wasn't suggesting that GB cycling was going to loose its funding now, but way off in the future at some point it will happen, then it could be Aussie swimming...get it!

Well I think we were sort of saying the same thing Completely agree the funding will be cut if there are signs of failure. GB sports generally seem to be subsidised on their medal potential these days?

But that's a long, lonnng way off for track cycling. In terms of facilities and participation, you could argue the sport is only really just getting going here.

Just seen that Becky James is through to the final of the women's sprint. Surely the dream stops there. There's no way she can beat Vogel is there?!

 

[MatParker117]

Vicky who?

 

[horsinabout]

Well I think we were sort of saying the same thing Completely agree the funding will be cut if there are signs of failure. GB sports generally seem to be subsidised on their medal potential these days?

But that's a long, lonnng way off for track cycling. In terms of facilities and participation, you could argue the sport is only really just getting going here.

Just seen that Becky James is through to the final of the women's sprint. Surely the dream stops there. There's no way she can beat Vogel is there?!

Vogals tacktics left her, and Becky found hers. Well done to Becky..

 

[TShame]

James wins Gold Sprint

James needed a third to win Gold over Vogel.
Vogel took the first by a tire.

 

[TShame]

Men's Sprint Quarters

Demitriov makes it through.

 

[TShame]

Men's Sprint

Pervis still fast. Jason Kenny seemed tired from Kerin yesterday.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

James is entered in the kerin tomorrow too.

Looks to have the right body type to do well in that sort of longer effort (i.e. not the German heffer on steroids look).

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Glorious moment of BBC racial nervousness in the Kerin 7-11 run off.

"the key difference between the two french athletes is that Clair is wearing white gloves and Montauban is wearing black gloves"

Clearly the commentator felt more comfortable talking about gloves than just saying one is white and one is black if you want to tell them apart in the race.

 

[JimmyFingers]

Double gold for Becky James, takes the Keirin too, very impressive

 

[horsinabout]

Looks to have the right body type to do well in that sort of longer effort (i.e. not the German heffer on steroids look).[/QUOTE]

Now now that will do, none of the top sprinters are skinny winks. Over to the clinic please...

 

[horsinabout]

James is entered in the kerin tomorrow too.

Looks to have the right body type to do well in that sort of longer effort (i.e. not the German heffer on steroids look).

Now now that will do, none of the top sprinters are skinny winks. Don't be predudice towards body type (with nationality).

Over to the clinic please...

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Now now that will do, none of the top sprinters are skinny winks. Don't be predudice towards body type (with nationality).

Over to the clinic please...

It was not intended as a literal accusations - just that all the German sprinters clearly get so gym obsessed their thighs end up looking like live stock which have been encouraged to rather unnatural proportions, which given cows tend to be rather poor at the dead lift, I would assume are achieved through drugs in their case.

And no, that is not the case across the board - Vogel is much bigger in the thighs than James, who in turn is much bigger than Pendleton.

 

[horsinabout]

It was not intended as a literal accusations - just that all the German sprinters clearly get so gym obsessed their thighs end up looking like live stock which have been encouraged to rather unnatural proportions, which given cows tend to be rather poor at the dead lift, I would assume are achieved through drugs in their case.

And no, that is not the case across the board - Vogel is much bigger in the thighs than James, who in turn is much bigger than Pendleton.

I take your point with the Germans' men and women. It is more likely cultural i.e.they train in different ways to GB women/men and select shorter stocky body types because culturally they believe this makes better sprinters etc.... Their size though, in my view, is not the only factor in alleged doping....the speed of the 200m time trial that the women are now doing is a far greater prediction, and takes away nationality bias/body type predudice of doping too (the women's200m times at sea level are now at 10.7 this is seriously fast. I will say that Becky James is a very big girl, but much taller than the German Vogal, so doesn't look as big, but she is big.

 

[esafosfina]

minsk worlds

It's not the Indiv Pursuit but the 3000m team is now becoming a 4000m team pursuit with I believe four riders. What sort of times will be done 4.20mark?