MLB's Alex Rodriguez suspended 1 year for steroids use...

[Oldman]

On a deja' vu note-did anyone notice Alex Rodriguez seemed to be reading from Lance's tired script of diversionary garbage?
He didn't use the term "Witch Hunt" but the inks not dry on his defense.


I decided to open this thread, even though it's not cycling-related, but definitely Clinic-related. I moved the posts made in another thread to be included here.

-Berzin

 

[Pazuzu]

On a deja' vu note-did anyone notice Alex Rodriguez seemed to be reading from Lance's tired script of diversionary garbage?
He didn't use the term "Witch Hunt" but the inks not dry on his defense.

I was thinking the same thing. Says he's going to the U.S. federal courts to have his suspensions overturned. Good luck with that!

 

[Oldman]

I was thinking the same thing. Says he's going to the U.S. federal courts to have his suspensions overturned. Good luck with that!

And now (play 60 minutes clock ticking....) we have a "trainer" acknowledging that he injected Alex. Alex's characterization of the Commish could easily have the USADA staff's names. Did he employ the same legal team? What a tool...

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Watching 60 minutes now. There has to be a "I'm an a$$hole doper, and these are the the things I need to say" handbook...

 

[Berzin]

I decided to open this thread, even though it's not cycling-related, but definitely Clinic-related. I moved the posts made in another thread to be included here-

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/12/sp...ason.html?_r=0

Here is the interview with Anthony Bosch from "60 Minutes"-

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-case-of-alex-rodriguez/

 

[Berzin]

Here is the interview with Anthony Bosch from "60 Minutes"-

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-case-of-alex-rodriguez/

 

[slowspoke]

Jose Canseco has some interesting things to say about this on Twitter.

 

[Race Radio]

Many will have a certain sense of glee as we watch an egomaniac like A-Roid implode as his lawyers milk him for millions.

 

[Sciatic]

Test., HGH, insulin-something, Peptides

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Jose Canseco has some interesting things to say about this on Twitter.

Canseco hasn't had anything interesting to say in his entire life.

 

[hfer07]

MLB once again exposed to its core on how ROTTEN, DIRTY, & HYPOCRITE is among the sport's scenario..........

but after this revelation. does anyone believe they (MLB Owners) will follow up on this "behavior"?

I didn't think so...

 

[RobbieCanuck]

MLB once again exposed to its core on how ROTTEN, DIRTY, & HYPOCRITE is among the sport's scenario..........

but after this revelation. does anyone believe they (MLB Owners) will follow up on this "behavior"?

I didn't think so...

The only hypocrite in the whole story is A-Rod and his lawyer. As Yogi Berra says "It's deja vu all over" Just as LA had the opportunity to testify before USADA, A-Rod had the opportunity to testify before MLB Arbitration's Panel. He refused.

There is clearly no evidence at all before the tribunal denying the allegations. The evidence of Tony Bosch is clearly corroborated by other credible documentary evidence. A-Rod's lawyer is whistling in the wind.

A-Rod and LA are cut from the same mould. It appears A-Rod took the calculated gamble to cheat and lost and now his hubris prevents him from accepting reality. Where have we seen this story before?

 

[biokemguy]

As nice as it is to see a cheater caught, articles like this try and convince us that testing actually works. AFAIK he "never failed a test."

 

[hfer07]

The only hypocrite in the whole story is A-Rod and his lawyer. As Yogi Berra says "It's deja vu all over" Just as LA had the opportunity to testify before USADA, A-Rod had the opportunity to testify before MLB Arbitration's Panel. He refused.

There is clearly no evidence at all before the tribunal denying the allegations. The evidence of Tony Bosch is clearly corroborated by other credible documentary evidence. A-Rod's lawyer is whistling in the wind.

A-Rod and LA are cut from the same mould. It appears A-Rod took the calculated gamble to cheat and lost and now his hubris prevents him from accepting reality. Where have we seen this story before?

..But I completely agree with you -Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, but I was referring to to the ENTIRE SPORT, as rotten, dirty & hypocrite-from top to bottom. The only reason we hear these so called "scandals" is because of a federal investigation catching a dope supplier with ties among Baseball players-dumb enough not to get rid of any link/trace of their doping tracks. MLB alone will neither go after any player nor implement a serious anti-doping programme since they very well know of what mr. Tony Bosch has spoken of, along with the likes of all the dirty "Hall of Fame" players exposed to doping.

A-Rod & his "crew"? they're just doing what they're supposed to do- which is deny & protect the brand at all costs..... sounds familiar?

bottom line is Baseball isn't so different from cycling in its darkest days....

 

[MarkvW]

..But I completely agree with you -Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, but I was referring to to the ENTIRE SPORT, as rotten, dirty & hypocrite-from top to bottom. The only reason we hear these so called "scandals" is because of a federal investigation catching a dope supplier with ties among Baseball players-dumb enough not to get rid of any link/trace of their doping tracks. MLB alone will neither go after any player nor implement a serious anti-doping programme since they very well know of what mr. Tony Bosch has spoken of, along with the likes of all the dirty "Hall of Fame" players exposed to doping.

A-Rod & his "crew"? they're just doing what they're supposed to do- which is deny & protect the brand at all costs..... sounds familiar?

bottom line is Baseball isn't so different from cycling in its darkest days....

One big difference is that Baseball has a collectively bargained-for antidoping process and a Union that fights for its members.

Cycling is one big fiefdom, with an array of petty fiefdoms. Pro riders are powerless.

 

[MarkvW]

MLB once again exposed to its core on how ROTTEN, DIRTY, & HYPOCRITE is among the sport's scenario..........

but after this revelation. does anyone believe they (MLB Owners) will follow up on this "behavior"?

I didn't think so...

MLB is at least exposing itself (pun intended). Under McDruggen, the UCI had a clearly adversarial relationship with WADA.

 

[MarkvW]

Another thing is that MLB teams do not appear to be doing team-organized doping, unlike professional cycling. The clown organization that Rodriguez was doping with appears to be a few notches below even Fuentes and his crew.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

Jose Canseco has some interesting things to say about this on Twitter.

Jose Canseco is, I believe an example of two of the side effects of roids:

1) They cause reckless overconfidence: At one point he had $40 million in the bank yet he blew it and got so broke he was forced to compete in a professional MMA fight against 7' 5" Korean giant Hong Man Choi to make 100k.

2) Roids rage. He has four arrests for violence related crime, though I'm sure he believes they all deserved it.

Nevertheless, I wish there was a whistleblower with the balls like him in soccer or tennis.

 

[BroDeal]

Another thing is that MLB teams do not appear to be doing team-organized doping, unlike professional cycling. The clown organization that Rodriguez was doping with appears to be a few notches below even Fuentes and his crew.

I would not expect baseball to have the same level of doping sophistication that cycling has. Doping has a very different effect in baseball. It is indirect. In cycling someone can say if I increase my power by x Watts then I can take y seconds off this climb or knock z seconds off that time trial. It is a situation where people can experiment with products, measure the results, then adjust the product mix. That situation does not exist in baseball. Strength can be measured but that does not translate directly to baseball results. Baseball players will be concerned not just with strength but an amorphous sense of well being and energy level. This will lead to a loosey-goosey,/fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants,/if-it-feels-good-then-it's-working type of doping, which will lead to those who are little more than suppliers or quacks using bro-science to decide what doping to use. They probably should have done their best to measure strength, sprint times, and aerobic capacity. But I can easily see players thinking of doping like, "I am bench pressing more than ever, I feel good, and I am getting great results on the field. It must be working." There is less use for a Dr. Ferrari-like character, especially since testing in baseball is almost non-existent.

 

[Stingray34]

A-Rod: I'm where you were in 2010, what should I do different?
Lance: '...........'

A-Rod: When should I start my redemption tour and make amends with Tony Bosch?
Lance: Come wake boarding with me in Hawaii. Do you like golf?

 

[Catwhoorg]

By any stretch this is a 2nd offense. (previous admitted to doping)

A year ban is a joke. (mind you so is 50 games for a first offense).

He should be facing a lifetime ban. Then the Lance alignment would be complete.



As for the players union, where are they when the clean players want their chance, only to have the spot taken by a doper ?
They don't fight for their members, they fight for an elite's right to dope. (much the same as the NFL union)

 

[Race Radio]

One big difference is that Baseball has a collectively bargained-for antidoping process and a Union that fights for its members.

Cycling is one big fiefdom, with an array of petty fiefdoms. Pro riders are powerless.

Armstrong's agent, Bill Stapleton, wrote much of the WADA code.

Some riders are far from powerless.

 

[Scott SoCal]

One big difference is that Baseball has a collectively bargained-for antidoping process and a Union that fights for its members.

Cycling is one big fiefdom, with an array of petty fiefdoms. Pro riders are powerless.

If pro cyclists had a union as powerful as MLB drugs would be far more rampant than they already are AND there would be little effort to clean it up.

MLB union has credibility with MLB players because they know they can get away with nearly anything.

 

[Scott SoCal]

I would not expect baseball to have the same level of doping sophistication that cycling has. Doping has a very different effect in baseball. It is indirect. In cycling someone can say if I increase my power by x Watts then I can take y seconds off this climb or knock z seconds off that time trial. It is a situation where people can experiment with products, measure the results, then adjust the product mix. That situation does not exist in baseball. Strength can be measured but that does not translate directly to baseball results. Baseball players will be concerned not just with strength but an amorphous sense of well being and energy level. This will lead to a loosey-goosey,/fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants,/if-it-feels-good-then-it's-working type of doping, which will lead to those who are little more than suppliers or quacks using bro-science to decide what doping to use. They probably should have done their best to measure strength, sprint times, and aerobic capacity. But I can easily see players thinking of doping like, "I am bench pressing more than ever, I feel good, and I am getting great results on the field. It must be working." There is less use for a Dr. Ferrari-like character, especially since testing in baseball is almost non-existent.

Agreed.

What are your thoughts regarding NBA and NFL? The gene therapy that Kobe Bryant went through was heralded as "space age."

 

[MarkvW]

Armstrong's agent, Bill Stapleton, wrote much of the WADA code.

Some riders are far from powerless.

Agreed. Some riders are far from powerless. Vanishingly few.