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[Hugh Januss]

This...hog gets banned. First post back and race is the first to start up again. Then he says hog is baiting him and obsessed. To think rr is without blame in all that isn't accurate at all. Just go back to the posts.
Hog gets back into it having been Insulted. And then hog gets banned About a week later. That's the point here.

Maybe so, the point is though, as posters, RR almost always turns out to have good factual intel., Hog likes to pretend that he has.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

The bans don't seem to be working. Said members have had long bans in the past and come right back to it. Same with other members not currently banned.

The low blows stay and don't get deleted - which only fuels the poster. The off topic bickering stays - fuels the OPoster, clogs threads.

The noise to signal ratio drives away good posters. Wading through 20 pages of "The Clinic Shore," to get one good update on the investigation into Riis, Armstrong's legal troubles, etc... Is barely worth it.

Great to have you back on the message board.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I find when I write a response .. before I PUSH THE BUTTON ..i quickly reread it.. Most times I find myself pausing and thinking..'nah'..not worth it.

Nah, where's the fun in that, I prefer to post Glenn Wilson style, later in the evening after a few beers.

 

[King Boonen]

I don't think "we" do.

I think there are a small handful of small-minded rabble-rousers who are very skilled at polarizing issues to provoke a fight.

You saw it yourself when you moderated some posts this afternoon that involved me. A poster was bending over backwards to start a fight and in order to do so he was having to claim that by me saying "Froome is a doper" I was trying to promote the message that Froome is clean.

It takes a very special sort of person to be able to think like that

You'll get used to that around here...

 

[laurel1969]

I've already had some excellent advice from a Bigcog or Bigmac, who tipped me off that a certain venomous poster displays traits of mental illness and is best ignored totally. The more I've seen the more I realise they are probably right.

Gotta love the internet. Loon jobs and all.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Got to agree with Scottie, below. "Good post, Chewie. "



Well, I won't agree that RR is persecuted. I've seen him in the middle of the fights, sometimes even throwing the first punch, and then, when it gets called, he's got the "oh, no, I didn't do anything!" line down pat.



Well, you've got a good point there, but if you take a look at what's going down, you will note that there IS a lot of work being done, via bans, to clean up the culture. Just look a bit harder at what is being done. And don't forget to assist the process by using the "Report" button.

Well, I won't agree that RR is persecuted. I've seen him in the middle of the fights, sometimes even throwing the first punch, and then, when it gets called, he's got the "oh, no, I didn't do anything!" line down pat.

We disagree then.

RR is pretty easy to get along with. But, like you, me and in this case RR, if someone comes along and incorrectly (intentionally or otherwise) re-states a point I have made or an opinion I hold I will correct it. That's fair.

 

[Scott SoCal]

This...hog gets banned. First post back and race is the first to start up again. Then he says hog is baiting him and obsessed. To think rr is without blame in all that isn't accurate at all. Just go back to the posts.
Hog gets back into it having been Insulted. And then hog gets banned About a week later. That's the point here.

Hog is responsible for what Hog posts as are you and everybody else.

Hog was banned for low-quality trolling and ignoring a warning to stop.

That's it. No conspiracy.

 

[Digger]

Hog is responsible for what Hog posts as are you and everybody else.

Hog was banned for low-quality trolling and ignoring a warning to stop.

That's it. No conspiracy.

let's apply the rules fairly to all then.

 

[Benotti69]

Nah, where's the fun in that, I prefer to post Glenn Wilson style, later in the evening after a few beers.

That dude doesn't drink beer, michelob light or some such pi$$.....

 

[Benotti69]

let's apply the rules fairly to all then.

Let's make moderation a fully independent body......

 

[Bluenote]

for someone who joined only 1 month ago you seem to know a lot about the forum.

It doesn't exactly take a genius to read a few threads and figure out whats going on around here. Its not like you guys are super subtle about the trolling, baiting, name calling, ganging up on each other, crying mod bias, b@tching about old fights, etc...

Actually, I'd have to be a dumb@ss not to realize 'oh, the member depreciation thread and the mod thread are some of the most heavily trafficed - maybe there's a nasty culture here.'

The cycling press does a poor job of covering doping, so the Clinic (and other forums) have an important place. Too bad the carp to information ratio is so poor.

 

[Bluenote]

Great to have you back on the message board.

Well, I can understand why a neewbie suggesting a culture enema would bring out the long knives.

 

[red_flanders]

It doesn't exactly take a genius to read a few threads and figure out whats going on around here. Its not like you guys are super subtle about the trolling, baiting, name calling, ganging up on each other, crying mod bias, b@tching about old fights, etc...

Actually, I'd have to be a dumb@ss not to realize 'oh, the member depreciation thread and the mod thread are some of the most heavily trafficed - maybe there's a nasty culture here.'

The cycling press does a poor job of covering doping, so the Clinic (and other forums) have an important place. Too bad the carp to information ratio is so poor.

Really.

Said members have had long bans in the past and come right back to it. Same with other members not currently banned.

Sockpuppet. At least try and hide it.

 

[hiero2]

Maybe so, the point is though, as posters, RR almost always turns out to have good factual intel., Hog likes to pretend that he has.

I think you have a good point there.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Thanks for proving my point.

Hog worked hard to twist this into some apologist nonsense when it was clear to most who actually read what I wrote it was not. I talked to one of the key riders in the sport and left puzzled. Kimmage, and others, have done the same when they talked to Froome and his lady.

While some may find Hog's twisting of what I wrote funny the reality is it insures that few will come here to share their first hand experience as they and know a small group of trolls with twist it for their entertainment.

Maybe you both should lighten the FU_CK up and accept the little banter for what it is, or, just ignore eachother?

True adult behaviour.

Maybe so, the point is though, as posters, RR almost always turns out to have good factual intel., Hog likes to pretend that he has.

Does that put him above 'the Law'?

 

[Merckx index]

I have another suggestion.

Instead of laying it all on the mods and criticizing them when the 'problem' isn't fixed quickly enough..how about YOU all monitor what you spew forth and think twice before you take out your internet indignities on another poster.

I find when I write a response .. before I PUSH THE BUTTON ..i quickly reread it.. Most times I find myself pausing and thinking..'nah'..not worth it.

Amen. Or save it and reread it a few hours later, and ask yourself if you still want to post it.

Some other things I do:

1) Place a daily limit on posts. Most forum conflicts don’t arise full-blown, they result from two or more posters going back and forth, with the anger/misunderstanding/ad hominem level rising gradually. If I can't convince others of my point on some issue in 2-3 posts, then probably it's not going to happen, for whatever reason.

2) Remember the old Sufi saying, opinion is a bird with one wing.

3) Practice self-banning. When I feel myself becoming hostile towards another poster, I simply take myself off the forum for a day or two, until I cool off. A side benefit is I rediscover that nothing I’m saying is really that urgent, anyway.

4) Admit it when wrong. It’s like that ice bucket challenge, really hard before you do it, a piece of cake after it's over.

5) Don’t regret your stupid posts, most everything on the internet dies a quick death.

6) Do take the time to correct the spelling and grammar of your posts, to the extent you know English. If you wouldn’t put your body out in public without being properly dressed, why would you express your thoughts in public without properly dressing them?

7) Spend some time in the general forum. You’re likely to view many people you know only from their views on Clinic issues in a completely different light.

8) Maintain some perspective. None of us is very important, and none of us will be around very long.

 

[hiero2]

The two "problem children" are on enforced vacations, but we still don't have much peace on the forum. Why is that?

Maybe mods could step in earlier when bickering starts and not let things simmer along until it blows up into a big deal. Put a stop to it before everybody gets their backs up and comes riding to the rescue of their "side" and turns a small disagreement between a couple folks into a huge annoying mess that takes over the forum.

I am in full agreement with you. This is a primary argument for increasing the number of mods. And for putting mod crews as "responsible" for particular subforums. Like one mod could handle the MTB area, but you'd need at least a crew of 4 to cover the Clinic - or the Politics area.

Amen. Or save it and reread it a few hours later, and ask yourself if you still want to post it.

Some other things I do:

1) Place a daily limit on posts. Most forum conflicts don’t arise full-blown, they result from two or more posters going back and forth, with the anger/misunderstanding/ad hominem level rising gradually. If I can't convince others of my point on some issue in 2-3 posts, then probably it's not going to happen, for whatever reason.

2) Remember the old Sufi saying, opinion is a bird with one wing.

3) Practice self-banning. When I feel myself becoming hostile towards another poster, I simply take myself off the forum for a day or two, until I cool off. A side benefit is I rediscover that nothing I’m saying is really that urgent, anyway.

4) Admit it when wrong. It’s like that ice bucket challenge, really hard before you do it, a piece of cake after it's over.

5) Don’t regret your stupid posts, most everything on the internet dies a quick death.

6) Do take the time to correct the spelling and grammar of your posts, to the extent you know English. If you wouldn’t put your body out in public without being properly dressed, why would you express your thoughts in public without properly dressing them?

7) Spend some time in the general forum. You’re likely to view many people you know only from their views on Clinic issues in a completely different light.

8) Maintain some perspective. None of us is very important, and none of us will be around very long.

M-I, this is so well written that it should be given a place all it's own, and a sticky. You could title it "Keys to Responsible Posting", subtitled "How to avoid getting in a forum catfight."

 

[Beech Mtn]

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Does that put him above 'the Law'?

Done too much good for too many people. Never tested positive for trolling and baiting. Victim of a witch hunt by a deranged Hog of a fat housewife with an unhinged obsession chasing him all over twitter and internet forums. Oh, and that other Brother, he's just a jealous bitter-hater. Just because he tested positive, he thinks someone was out to get him, in cahoots with cycling forum officials or something, and can make anybody banned any time he wants. For the right price (some inside info or an article link).

And watch out for his attack attorney Chewy Stapleton and CollegeInSoCal. If those two show up to question you about the Hog, make sure you're secretly recording the whole conversation. Just a tip.

 

[mewmewmew13]

Amen. Or save it and reread it a few hours later, and ask yourself if you still want to post it.

Some other things I do:

1) Place a daily limit on posts. Most forum conflicts don’t arise full-blown, they result from two or more posters going back and forth, with the anger/misunderstanding/ad hominem level rising gradually. If I can't convince others of my point on some issue in 2-3 posts, then probably it's not going to happen, for whatever reason.

2) Remember the old Sufi saying, opinion is a bird with one wing.

3) Practice self-banning. When I feel myself becoming hostile towards another poster, I simply take myself off the forum for a day or two, until I cool off. A side benefit is I rediscover that nothing I’m saying is really that urgent, anyway.

4) Admit it when wrong. It’s like that ice bucket challenge, really hard before you do it, a piece of cake after it's over.

5) Don’t regret your stupid posts, most everything on the internet dies a quick death.

6) Do take the time to correct the spelling and grammar of your posts, to the extent you know English. If you wouldn’t put your body out in public without being properly dressed, why would you express your thoughts in public without properly dressing them?

7) Spend some time in the general forum. You’re likely to view many people you know only from their views on Clinic issues in a completely different light.

8) Maintain some perspective. None of us is very important, and none of us will be around very long.

Great post MI

 

[red_flanders]

Done too much good for too many people. Never tested positive for trolling and baiting. Victim of a witch hunt by a deranged Hog of a fat housewife with an unhinged obsession chasing him all over twitter and internet forums. Oh, and that other Brother, he's just a jealous bitter-hater. Just because he tested positive, he thinks someone was out to get him, in cahoots with cycling forum officials or something, and can make anybody banned any time he wants. For the right price (some inside info or an article link).

And watch out for his attack attorney Chewy Stapleton and CollegeInSoCal. If those two show up to question you about the Hog, make sure you're secretly recording the whole conversation. Just a tip.

Brilliant stuff.

 

[Granville57]

Some other things I do:

One thing I would add that has worked quite well for me, is the Good Ol' Ignore List.

I've read some good arguments for and against its implementation, but without it, I doubt I'd even come here anymore. I just went back and checked, and currently, I have 27 people on my Ignore List.

It's true. Granted, some of them have long since been perma-banned (and others likely soon-to-be), but I like the reminders, so I keep their names listed. But that shouldn't be construed as meaning that I don't read their posts—or at least some of them occasionally.

It's no coincidence that those on my Ignore List are often the most quoted, so it's inevitable that I'll see some of their work. Sometimes I'll open the post that is quoted (you can easily select to view any post that you have on Ignore) just to see if it's been altered at all, and sometimes reading Ignored posts is necessary to follow a conversation. So it's not really about completely and truly "Ignoring" that member, but more to remind myself that I'll be wasting my time by responding to them. So I don't.

And when they clog a thread, I find it so much easier just to zip through the pages when their particular posts are hid from view. It can be hysterical sometimes when two or three parties are battling it out, and I've got them all on ignore. One or two pages of an entire thread can be reduced to nothing but collapsed posts with no clutter. On the occasion when I choose to view those posts, without exception it seems, it turns out that I wasn't missing anything after all.

But as I said, most importantly, it acts as a reminder of who not to waste my time on. Be it due to trolling, ignorance, immaturity or pure stupidity, some members are simply not worth my effort and/or energy.

The Ignore List: I highly recommend it.

 

[King Boonen]

Who said that?!

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Maybe you both should lighten the FU_CK up and accept the little banter for what it is, or, just ignore eachother?

True adult behaviour.

Based on this post, I have to ask: What the FU_CK do you know about "adult behaviour?"[sic]

 

[JRTinMA]

It makes me happy this place has devolved into Delta Bravo HQ

 

[ChewbaccaD]

It makes me happy this place has devolved into Delta Bravo HQ

Sh!t, I'll willing to take it Whiskey Tango if I feel like it.