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[Christian]

Sure thing... I'm in HS and barely find the time or patience to post here these days. I have a brother in college, and the little time he has for himself, he spends it cultivating and stimulating his social life out with friends. And the line separating posting less than usual from not posting at all is almost non-existing. If I did everything I should, meeting deadlines, I would not be able to visit this site at all. I guess he takes his stuff seriously. And once you're able to stop posting for a while or post less than usual, you realize it's easier than you thought to quit this. Bear in mind Parrulo stopped posting frequentely long before he disappeared.

Depends on what you study, probably. I have plenty of time, anyways. What does your brother study? Maybe Parrulo has some important exams coming up or a time consuming project he is working on - isn't he studying engineering? I can imagine that to be quite demanding. I miss him, anyways!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sure thing... I'm in HS and barely find the time or patience to post here these days. I have a brother in college, and the little time he has for himself, he spends it cultivating and stimulating his social life out with friends. And the line separating posting less than usual from not posting at all is almost non-existing. If I did everything I should, meeting deadlines, I would not be able to visit this site at all. I guess he takes his stuff seriously. And once you're able to stop posting for a while or post less than usual, you realize it's easier than you thought to quit this. Bear in mind Parrulo stopped posting frequentely long before he disappeared.

 

[ferryman]

Totally agree. What possible reason/justification did you have for closing that topic, Ferry? What made you think that Alpe needs any 'help' in the Cafe?

Truly classic, mindless, (presumably) preemptive, mod overkill. Shame on you.

Oh get a grip, I made a call. It's not going to be missed, apart from a couple of hand wringers (yes that's you Netserk). If you want to discuss the finer points of some of the posters in the thread, I'm sure you are already on those forums. Get ****ing real and stop seeing Mods as some sort of pre programmed, preemptive (whatever the **** that means) monkeys. Thank you.

 

[Netserk]

Oh get a grip, I made a call. It's not going to be missed, apart from a couple of hand wringers (yes that's you Netserk). If you want to discuss the finer points of some of the posters in the thread, I'm sure you are already on those forums. Get ****ing real and stop seeing Mods as some sort of pre programmed, preemptive (whatever the **** that means) monkeys. Thank you.

Sorry, but why do you think I am a hand wringer?

My only post in the thread was quite calm, no? http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1609520&postcount=46

Or is because of my very calm and neutral response in this thread (where I asked a few questions I still would like some kind of answer to)?

I don't think I "discuss[ed] the finer points of some of the posters in the thread".

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I thought the whole point of the café was for us to post about things not normally related to this forum. If you (plural, mods) want us to use other fora to discuss such matters, what is the point in having the café?

 

[Jspear]

Sorry, but why do you think I am a hand wringer?

My only post in the thread was quite calm, no? http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1609520&postcount=46

Or is because of my very calm and neutral response in this thread (where I asked a few questions I still would like some kind of answer to)?

I don't think I "discuss[ed] the finer points of some of the posters in the thread".

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I thought the whole point of the café was for us to post about things not normally related to this forum. If you (plural, mods) want us to use other fora to discuss such matters, what is the point in having the café?

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[Amsterhammer]

Oh get a grip, I made a call. It's not going to be missed, apart from a couple of hand wringers (yes that's you Netserk). If you want to discuss the finer points of some of the posters in the thread, I'm sure you are already on those forums. Get ****ing real and stop seeing Mods as some sort of pre programmed, preemptive (whatever the **** that means) monkeys. Thank you.

What kind of totally unsatisfactory, condescending, arrogant, reply is that?

You haven't even had the good grace to explain your "call". "It's not going to be missed.." is not your call to make when there is nothing going on in a topic that would require it to be locked. What do you think a forum would look like if mods/admins went around deciding to make "calls" about what topics might be "missed" or not? That's no criterion for locking. You may as well lock 95% of the topic list in every forum if "it won't be missed" is your reason to lock.

Man up, admit you made the wrong "call" for whatever reason, and re-open a topic that is about an ongoing 'story' of international interest.

 

[ferryman]

Sorry, but why do you think I am a hand wringer?

My only post in the thread was quite calm, no? http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1609520&postcount=46

Or is because of my very calm and neutral response in this thread (where I asked a few questions I still would like some kind of answer to)?

I don't think I "discuss[ed] the finer points of some of the posters in the thread".

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I thought the whole point of the café was for us to post about things not normally related to this forum. If you (plural, mods) want us to use other fora to discuss such matters, what is the point in having the café?

Because, Netserk, you will complain, regardless what a Mod will do in response to the action taken. I get you, you want a free for all. When it doesn't go that way, particularly when you think it's against 'free speach' you complain. As a past Mod, you know that is not how we operate on here. But as a past Mod you also know that 'moderation' is required and sometimes, in fact, 99.9% of the times, it's done without referring to the powers that be.

Regarding the Cafe, yes, of course it's open to discussion. As a mod I didn't like the way the Cosby thread was going. A lot of the posts on there were frankly disturbing IMHO, despite how some of the posters were dressing them up. As I said my call to close it. There are better things on here to be concerned/posted about rather than a closed thread about an ageaing and irrelevant sex predatator.

 

[ferryman]

What kind of totally unsatisfactory, condescending, arrogant, reply is that?

You haven't even had the good grace to explain your "call". "It's not going to be missed.." is not your call to make when there is nothing going on in a topic that would require it to be locked. What do you think a forum would look like if mods/admins went around deciding to make "calls" about what topics might be "missed" or not? That's no criterion for locking. You may as well lock 95% of the topic list in every forum if "it won't be missed" is your reason to lock.

Man up, admit you made the wrong "call" for whatever reason, and re-open a topic that is about an ongoing 'story' of international interest.

Yes, apologies, it was rather aggressive and over the top in a response. I'm afraid though, it is my call, as a moderator to make that call. Hopefully, my response to Netserk will go some way to explain why I closed the thread.

 

[Netserk]

Because, Netserk, you will complain, regardless what a Mod will do in response to the action taken. I get you, you want a free for all. When it doesn't go that way, particularly when you think it's against 'free speach' you complain. As a past Mod, you know that is not how we operate on here. But as a past Mod you also know that 'moderation' is required and sometimes, in fact, 99.9% of the times, it's done without referring to the powers that be.

When was the last time I complained about action taken by the mods? Are you saying you haven't taken any action since then?

Yes I'm a past mod, and I think I reacted properly. When I was a mod I would love if people complained the way I did. I would probably be tired of reading the response from AH, but I really don't see how my response wasn't what you'd wish to read from someone engaging in a dialogue with the mods.

The reason I complained was simply that I want answers to the questions I asked. If something new happens in the case are we not allowed to discuss it? Wouldn't that be a great shame for those (like Alpe and Merckx Index among others) who behaved themselves and kept things in a decent tone? Now they are punished for the bad behaviour of others. I think that is a great shame.

I'm not here to play the blame game. I just want to engage in a constructive dialogue, which might result in a better handling of the situation. If you think some posters in the thread crossed the line, would you consider the alternative to instead of closing the thread, you'd open it again and warn those who misbehave, so the good guys can continue discussing the subject in a proper and decent tone?

Cheers.

 

[aphronesis]

Regarding the Cafe, yes, of course it's open to discussion. As a mod I didn't like the way the Cosby thread was going. A lot of the posts on there were frankly disturbing IMHO, despite how some of the posters were dressing them up. As I said my call to close it. There are better things on here to be concerned/posted about rather than a closed thread about an ageaing and irrelevant sex predatator.

Right, until the next one pops up, which should be in no time, doubtless. And then the litany will start all over again: "Oh my, how was this allowed to happen, it's so disturbing, why isn't there more awareness and discussion of this type of thing?"

 

[ferryman]

Right, until the next one pops up, which should be in no time, doubtless. And then the litany will start all over again: "Oh my, how was this allowed to happen, it's so disturbing, why isn't there more awareness and discussion of this type of thing?"

I think you need to keep a sense of proportion here. And I also think you are over dramatising things. There was nothing wrong with the thread deleted, it was the way it was going and some of the posts/posters that made me decide to delete the whole thing. There is no rule on CN on what and can't be debated, just rather how. And that makes my rather childish outburst a few posts ago looking pretty stupid. Hey ho

 

[Bluenote]

Because, Netserk, you will complain, regardless what a Mod will do in response to the action taken. I get you, you want a free for all. When it doesn't go that way, particularly when you think it's against 'free speach' you complain. As a past Mod, you know that is not how we operate on here. But as a past Mod you also know that 'moderation' is required and sometimes, in fact, 99.9% of the times, it's done without referring to the powers that be.

Regarding the Cafe, yes, of course it's open to discussion. As a mod I didn't like the way the Cosby thread was going. A lot of the posts on there were frankly disturbing IMHO, despite how some of the posters were dressing them up. As I said my call to close it. There are better things on here to be concerned/posted about rather than a closed thread about an ageaing and irrelevant sex predatator.

I have no opinion as to if the thread should have been closed or not. I haven't read enough of it to know if it was a good thread, or had descended into flames. I get that Mods have to close threads, if they become the source of too many problems.

I will just say that I don't agree that Cosby is an 'aging and irrelevant sex predator.'

I think the Cosby case is very relevant. Why were there so many allegations against Mr. Cosby, for so long, yet they were not taking seriously? Was he (and is he still) being shielded and given preferential treatment because he is famous, popular and profitable? Is society willing to turn a blind eye to sexual predators to make money and protect the powerful? How many other predators are out there, under protection, right now?

My questions come against the back drop of the Penn State / Jerry Sandusky case, how Jameis Winston was (is) treated, the sex abuse crisis of the Catholic Church, the Steubenville Rape case, 55+ US Universities being sued for violating Title IX, etc...

If Mr. Winston is guilty, he should spend time in prison. If he is innocent, the incompetent investigation and alleged interference by his University deprived him of the ability to fully clear his name. Either way, it's not justice.

And striving for justice is always relevant.

 

[aphronesis]

I think you need to keep a sense of proportion here. And I also think you are over dramatising things. There was nothing wrong with the thread deleted, it was the way it was going and some of the posts/posters that made me decide to delete the whole thing. There is no rule on CN on what and can't be debated, just rather how. And that makes my rather childish outburst a few posts ago looking pretty stupid. Hey ho

I was being deliberately hyperbolic and sarcastic. I was surprised the thread survived as long as it did, had a little bit of fun along the way (although most of it was meant quite seriously) and agree with you that there's absolutely no need to discuss that pathetic old man--even as the post above me indicates that the issues of patriarchal dispensation remain relevant.

 

[mewmewmew13]

have to say this thread never ceases to amaze me

 

[Amsterhammer]

Seriously, Ferry, you're just being pathetic now. You're already backpedaling from your first response here, but still refuse to admit that you're in a minority of one. If, like your fellow admin, Alpe, I had taken part in the topic and was clearly 'keeping an eye on it', and you then waltzed in and locked it, I would be ****ing livid, and rightly so.

Again, it is an ongoing subject. It will come up again. Are you going to petulantly lock it every time? As you may know (or not), I have been a mod and admin in other places many times down the years, so I am perfectly capable of seeing things from your side. This is not just' mod bashing'. You made the wrong call for a spurious reason. It's not the end of the world to admit that. Reopen the topic and let's get on with other stuff.

 

[patricknd]

Seriously, Ferry, you're just being pathetic now. You're already backpedaling from your first response here, but still refuse to admit that you're in a minority of one. If, like your fellow admin, Alpe, I had taken part in the topic and was clearly 'keeping an eye on it', and you then waltzed in and locked it, I would be ****ing livid, and rightly so.

Again, it is an ongoing subject. It will come up again. Are you going to petulantly lock it every time? As you may know (or not), I have been a mod and admin in other places many times down the years, so I am perfectly capable of seeing things from your side. This is not just' mod bashing'. You made the wrong call for a spurious reason. It's not the end of the world to admit that. Reopen the topic and let's get on with other stuff.

I took the liberty of reopening the topic for you

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Relax everyone. Go spend time with your families, or something else in life that's really important.

This is only a message board.

 

[Amsterhammer]

I took the liberty of reopening the topic for you

Good one, Pat. This was entirely a matter of principle.

 

[cineteq]

I thought the whole point of the café was for us to post about things not normally related to this forum. If you (plural, mods) want us to use other forum to discuss such matters, what is the point in having the café?

Regarding the Cafe, yes, of course it's open to discussion. As a mod I didn't like the way the Cosby thread was going. A lot of the posts on there were frankly disturbing IMHO, despite how some of the posters were dressing them up. As I said my call to close it. There are better things on here to be concerned/posted about rather than a closed thread about an ageaing and irrelevant sex predatator.

IMHO? Which means your decision was very subjective. Why was it not up for a debate?

You mods need to walk the talk. You're so inconsistent. It's time to use common sense.

 

[Netserk]

IMHO? Which means your decision was very subjective. Why was it not up for a debate?

You mods need to walk the talk. You're so inconsistent. It's time to use common sense.

Why did you change my quote? Not that it's a biggie (or even close), but it does puzzle me somewhat.

 

[cineteq]

Why did you change my quote? Not that it's a biggie (or even close), but it does puzzle me somewhat.

You mean a typo? Otherwise I don't know what's your point.

 

[Netserk]

You mean a typo? Otherwise I don't know what's your point.

Hint. If you are going to anglicize it, at least do it the correct way and write forums instead of forum.

 

[cineteq]

Hint. If you are going to anglicize it, at least do it the correct way and write forums instead of forum.

Wow, you're really a bully, you makes things up out of nothing. I quoted your post because I agree with what you said. In a way I understand why your were a former mod here

 

[Granville57]

IMHO? Which means your decision was very subjective. Why was it not up for a debate?

Of course it was subjective. How else would a volunteer mod make any decisions on a forum? Something is deemed to be "disturbing," then action is taken.

Debate? Isn't that what this thread is for?

Wow, you're really a bully, you makes things up out of nothing.

But you did alter his post. That's not "nothing," and it's not made up.

 

[cineteq]

Of course it was subjective. How else would a volunteer mod make any decisions on a forum? Something is deemed to be "disturbing," then action is taken.

Debate? Isn't that what this thread is for?

After the fact, so what's the point? The decision stays. So a paid mod will make a better desicion?

But you did alter his post. That's not "nothing," and it's not made up.

Yes, the post was altered, yet it didn't change the meaning and I praised it by using to support my argument and the one of that very poster. So instead of adding to the discussion the ex-mod made an irrelevant attack, just for the fun of it. Or was it because he feels entitle to bully any poster any time? That borders on insanity to say the least.