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[Netserk]

I think after he manages to suck people into the discussion, he starts reporting every post, eventually forcing the mods to do something about it.

Could be wrong though.. Maybe the mods could shed some light on who reports the most posts?

Maybe that is confidential information.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I think after he manages to suck people into the discussion, he starts reporting every post, eventually forcing the mods to do something about it.

Could be wrong though.. Maybe the mods could shed some light on who reports the most posts?

Hmmm is that why my post was deleted? And the post to which I was responding, seeking clarification, remained? I'm not buying it (the secret deal thing), but did find the delete whilst leaving the original post somewhat strange.

 

[Race Radio]

A certain poster making secret deals to have specific members banned if they respond to the poster's posts then trying to taunt those members into responding.

Agreed.

There are a handful of posters here whose main contribution is stalking other members and replying to their post with nonsense designed to bait them into conflict, often resulting in a ban.

I think we are all entertained by the odd trolling post but when vast majority of a members posts are nonsense, designed to provoke conflict, it adds little value.

Odd, obsessive, behavior.

 

[oldcrank]

He is engaging in genuine conversation. He makes reasonable points, he is polite, and while he may be repeating points they are only in response to other points which have been also made over and over again.

He's not a frequent poster either, so how is his presence offending you?

Is it because his opinions are not your opinions? Are you so insecure in your thoughts them that you have delete opposition to them?

Your mods position doesn't give you a monopoly on 'truth', so rather than trying to censor why don't you wind your neck back in and try to engage in conversation yourself. This isn't your forum. You are here merely to serve the posters, of all beliefs and creeds, and not impose your dogma upon them or to allow you to feel important.

I agree, my friend. I would suggest that Taxus4a
has as much or more knowledge of the current
state of affairs in professional cycling as many
on here who masquerade as experts.

In private correspondence he was able to answer
questions (not doping related questions, by the way)
I had about two recently retired elite Spanish riders
that indicated to me he is well informed and well
connected in the sport and business of cycling.

 

[BigMac]

Still "vortexing" from the great beyond.

Whatever that term means.

Just like my industrial trolling from beyond, I'm sure.

 

[Benotti69]

If people perceive that they are being treated unfairly they will eventually just leave.

true and that is a problem for Future publishing to address.

From a spectator point of view is it really a minority sport? Besides, are you saying that you have never been riled by what an anonymous person writes to the point where you complained?

Yes a minority sport, defo.

of course i get riled, believe it or not i am human. But i dont go crying into the mods forum. I either ignore what riles me as far as posts go, address the post or report it if i feel it goes against forum rules.

To do anything else makes no sense. It is only a forum where there is no obligation is to participate.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I agree, my friend. I would suggest that Taxus4a
has as much or more knowledge of the current
state of affairs in professional cycling as many
on here who masquerade as experts.

In private correspondence he was able to answer
questions (not doping related questions, by the way)
I had about two recently retired elite Spanish riders
that indicated to me he is well informed and well
connected in the sport and business of cycling.

Well that explains why he makes ridiculous statements like those about no more doping and it doesn't help anyway.

 

[MarkvW]

That is not the half of it. A certain poster making secret deals to have specific members banned if they respond to the poster's posts then trying to taunt those members into responding. It is surprising there is time for this type of intrigue with all the time taken up with threatening people for posting pics of cats that look like Hitler.

You can pretend otherwise, but the best way to deal with that poster is to minimize direct engagement (respond to ideas only).

The former riles you up with the subtle digs, then the latter applies the blunt force trauma. When you respond ... Berzin.

It's the ideas that matter, anyway.

 

[hiero2]

Hmmm is that why my post was deleted? And the post to which I was responding, seeking clarification, remained? I'm not buying it (the secret deal thing), but did find the delete whilst leaving the original post somewhat strange.

The bolded part? A wise statement.

You can pretend otherwise, but the best way to deal with that poster is to minimize direct engagement (respond to ideas only).

The former riles you up with the subtle digs, then the latter applies the blunt force trauma. When you respond ... Berzin.

It's the ideas that matter, anyway.

The bolded part? Ahhhh - that "poster" does not exist. Well - better said - there are no secret deals. Not a one. Does that mean there are no posters gaming the system? Oh no, deary me, no, no, no. We have so many posters gaming the system THAT ___________________________ (please fill in the blank. Best submissions will win airfare for two to Donetsk from our corporate headquarters. Note: Airfare is based on Donetsk-Donetsk flight. This is the fine print.

 

[the sceptic]

You can pretend otherwise, but the best way to deal with that poster is to minimize direct engagement (respond to ideas only).

The former riles you up with the subtle digs, then the latter applies the blunt force trauma. When you respond ... Berzin.

It's the ideas that matter, anyway.

you have to be some sort of zen master to be able to deal with this on a regular basis.. luckily I only open the Lance thread when im really bored.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I agree, my friend. I would suggest that Taxus4a
has as much or more knowledge of the current
state of affairs in professional cycling as many
on here who masquerade as experts.

In private correspondence he was able to answer
questions (not doping related questions, by the way)
I had about two recently retired elite Spanish riders
that indicated to me he is well informed and well
connected in the sport and business of cycling.

"There's a sucker born every minute."-David Hannum

 

[ChewbaccaD]

You can pretend otherwise, but the best way to deal with that poster is to minimize direct engagement (respond to ideas only), and ignore his attack wookiee.

The former riles you up with the subtle digs, then the latter applies the blunt force trauma. When you respond ... Berzin.

That's cute...but I pound on you for the fun of it, and because you're such an easy target. You're like Bad Luck Brian, you can't win for losing most of the time, and you never have the internal fortitude to admit when you're wrong. You just move on to your next troll.

I just wish you'd quit with the whole Armstrong objectivity facade, and just admit your man love.

It's the ideas that matter, anyway.

Here's an idea: Get an original one...that's also not factually incorrect. You're welcome for the guidance.

 

[BroDeal]

Odd, obsessive, behavior.

Some people can always find peace by believing everyone with a different opinion works for Public Strategies.

 

[Race Radio]

Some people can always find peace by believing everyone with a different opinion works for Public Strategies.

Public Strategies....didn't you hear? Their head guy is one of us now
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...strong-lie-an-open-letter-to-greg-lemond.html

You do raise a good point. There are posters who prefer to invent elaborate Mod/Poster conspiracy theories to explain why they get banned all the time.....instead of recognizing their obvious trolling.

 

[sittingbison]

Gentle(wo)men,
please desist from having digs like this ^^ at each other. Not acceptable

Have digs at mods (me) all you like on this thread, refrain from outright abuse though

cheers
bison

good post hog

...A certain poster making secret deals to have specific members banned if they respond to the poster's posts then trying to taunt those members into responding....

BTW there are no secret deals. Such scenarios involve discussions between the various parties concerned, each is well aware of the situation, each makes certain comittments that all are aware of. Nothing secret about it.

If you want to go back on your word after a joint agreement is made, you suffer the consequences.

... threatening people for posting pics of cats that look like Hitler.

I cannot remember exactly this scenario, I do remember the (ridiculous) situation escalating out of hand somewhat with Granville57 posting a series very funny Nazi pics (lampooning the ridiculous situation)...it was not the actual pics that were of concern, rather that it was defying the original request to desist with Nazi pics.

Its very simple....this site has long had a well known "no Hitler/Stalin et al" "dont mention the war" policy. BigMac recently received a permanent ban (later reduced to three months) for violating that policy.

 

[the sceptic]

Some people can always find peace by believing everyone with a different opinion works for Public Strategies.

I dont get what the danger is of letting people have a somewhat broader view on the Lance saga, rather than the "everything Lance has ever said or done is a result of him being pure evil" view. The man is pretty much dead and buried and not relevant to cycling anymore, so who cares? It seems as though the only acceptable reason for posting in the Lance thread is to look for reasons to make Lance look bad. Anything else means you have an agenda, or are a troll. Sad state of affairs.

 

[gooner]

I dont get what the danger is of letting people have a somewhat broader view on the Lance saga, rather than the "everything Lance has ever said or done is a result of him being pure evil" view. The man is pretty much dead and buried and not relevant to cycling anymore, so who cares? It seems as though the only acceptable reason for posting in the Lance thread is to look for reasons to make Lance look bad. Anything else means you have an agenda, or are a troll. Sad state of affairs.

See the thing is these same posters were all vehemently against Lance in the past and now jump the fence with their opinions. Fast forward some time after Lance's downfall and their stances are revised where they are looking for conflict with others that they were in agreement with before.

It's trolling.

 

[Race Radio]

the only acceptable reason for posting in the Lance thread is to look for reasons to make Lance look bad.

Some see it as a place to bait other posters by saying they work for "Andreau strategies" or Fabiani and have an "Unhinged obsession". If that does not work they equate them with Al Sharpton followed by increasingly absurd revisionist history. After pages of that the next step is to claim they are victims of an elaborate plot.

I agree some of the stuff posted there is over the top, especially that Scottie Pippen guy...... but ignoring the very deliberate trolling there, and across the forum, is myopic

 

[Dear Wiggo]

See the thing is these same posters were all vehemently against Lance in the past and now jump the fence with their opinions. Fast forward some time after Lance's downfall and their stances are revised where they are looking for conflict with others that they were in agreement with before.

It's trolling.

Completely and utterly disagree to both points.

 

[gooner]

Mods,

I was thinking, would it be better if there was a separate thread like a "JV Q&A" one which could be stickied in the clinic. A number of questions were posed in the other thread and they get lost in the multiple discussions that have been going back and forth. Libertine Seguros had this problem with a good constructive question and myself and a few others also.

JV could come in as he pleases and respond when he can. We can still have the other discussion thread but at least questions won't get lost this way.

I think it would be much better for him and the forum in general.

 

[Race Radio]

Mods,

I was thinking, would it be better if there was a separate thread like a "JV Q&A" one which could be stickied in the clinic. A number of questions were posed in the other thread and they get lost in the multiple discussions that have been going back and forth. Libertine Seguros had this problem with a good constructive question and myself and a few others also.

JV could come in as he pleases and respond when he can. We can still have the other discussion thread but at least questions won't get lost this way.

I think it would be much better for him and the forum in general.

Good idea. We can have the "JV questions" thread and the "JV the Piñata" thread

 

[Dear Wiggo]

And a "JV the icy pole" thread.

 

[gooner]

Completely and utterly disagree to both points.

I couldn't careless but it's in relation to two posters who somehow in recent times have developed this personal problem with one poster.

This was all seen in the Lance thread after Armstrong and Hincapie did the interview talking about Frankie and Betsy, and when Sheryl Crow had a go at Betsy. Go look at those discussions where it has been going on like this since then.

Another poster from the same ilk as the other two, has a personal problem with the same postrr and throws out the tailwind comment to provoke that poster into conflict.

This has gone on long enough. And to think these serial offenders are still here and Dr. Mas and MartinVickers are gone for good. Unbelievable.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I couldn't careless but it's in relation to two posters who somehow in recent times have devekoped this personal problem with one poster.

This was all seen in the Lance thread after Armstring and Hincaoie did the interview talking about Frankie and Betsy, and when Sheryl Crow had a go at Betsy. Go look at those discussions where it has been going on like this since then.

Another poster from the same ilk as the other two, has a personal problem with the same postrr and throws out the tailwind comment to provoke that poster into conflict.

This has gone on long enough. And to think these serial offenders are still here and Dr. Mas and MartinVickers are gone from here. Unbelievable.

I took part in those discussions. I don't need to go and read them.

You don't know the posters and what they felt about Armstrong as you weren't there. So to comment on their agreement with another poster seems conjecture at best.

If you cannot see the ... intensity and hyperfocus that precludes all other interpretation of what ex-pro riders say and write, then that's your prerogative. But if other posters can, and comment on such, or are prepared to post said views but then get attacked and hounded for it, I don't think you should call that, "jumping the fence".

Lance is gone from the sport. If he is doping now it is immaterial.

Yet the thread lives, eking out an existence in a ... doping discussion forum.

It's like a well fed pet. That died a year ago or so.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

MartinVickers are gone for good. Unbelievable.

I was under the impression Vickers was gone for sock puppet violations. I don't think you can equate the two.