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[Boeing]

Don't look now 180cranky

but there is another avatar with dude flipping the bird.

wheres the morality helmet when we need him?

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

Don't look now 180cranky

but there is another avatar with dude flipping the bird.

wheres the morality helmet when we need him?

How about a little help here, like a link or the user's name?

Susan

 

[patricknd]

i just saw where Skandar Akbar received a vacation. while i'm sure their was ample reason, i hope all of us here, moderators included, can remember that we come from many different cultures, and for some english may not be the first language. i think we should keep this in mind as we read the posts of our fellow forumites, and remember that the differing cultures may express themselves in ways foreign to us. our diversity is our strenghth and i hope we can all exercise a little restraint before assuming the worst about the intention of others. doing so will result in a more pleasant forum experience for everyone, and i for one promise to do my part in this area.

 

[Barrus]

Skandar was American, his first language was English, he was just trolling

 

[The Hitch]

Skandar was American, his first language was English, he was just trolling

His posts were entertaining though.

 

[Francois the Postman]

His posts were entertaining though.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[Anonymous]

Have you all gone sticky efficient?

the de panne thread was unstickied within about 30 seconds of the rider crossing the finishing line.

And can we have the landis links thread re-stickied please. its still ongoing, there will be many more links put in there and its not like its redundant. there were still links going in there in february.

 

[Francois the Postman]

I am not sure if we're the ones stuck with "those darn stickies today"

I unstuck De Panne about 2hrs after the race, not 30 secs later. Looks like it was an ok decision, given the posting frequency since the end of the race, for a thread that had very few active participants to begin with, over 3 days.

And the decision to unstuck the Landis thread -at the other end of the posting range- was a communal one involving just about all mods, all feeling the same way.

With one post in over a month, and Landis more out of the public eye than in it, and heading further into the tall grass with each passing day, it seemed to have reached the end of its "stuck" shelf-life too. If there are new developments it might well be reconsidered.

But given where we are now, it won't be restuck.

BTW Dim, there is no need to repeat that request within hours after having used the loudest way to draw *all* our attentions. I guess no-one has got back to you earlier, but if it was pressing -which it wasn't-, or we thought it was really merited, it would either have happened by now, or it would still be discussed in the mod area and we would be waiting for more opinions (on a slow day).

The way it works, posting an alert is a pretty loud way to ask nothing more than a question, one that could be handled by a single mod. Following it up with a forum post on top is a bit much.

 

[Granville57]

FWIW,

I would often use the FLandis "sticky" thread as a reference, even if there was nothing new to add to it.

And it was a bit weird to suddenly have to go digging for it deep within the sub-forum. I just don't see the harm it was doing as a Sticky. As the investigation and hearings ramp up, the resources and links within that thread will be important for verifying and comparing timelines and various other statements from key players in the drama.

 

[Francois the Postman]

FWIW,

I would often use the FLandis "sticky" thread as a reference, even if there was nothing new to add to it.

No-one is stopping you from making it a short-cut on your browser.

And it was a bit weird to suddenly have to go digging for it deep within the sub-forum.

It only highlights how long ago the latest post was, but I accept that it might have caught some regulars off-guard. So the suggestion to post a note when a "post dormant" thread gets unstuck was useful, as it would indeed let people take their own measures to keep it "handy".

I just don't see the harm it was doing as a Sticky. As the investigation and hearings ramp up, the resources and links within that thread will be important for verifying and comparing timelines and various other statements from key players in the drama.

We will cross that bridge when the hearing does "ramp up", and I suspect there will be several (other) stickies by that time to keep the forum useful, and guide people around.

There are arguably several issues that would be more worthy of a sticky than the Floyd one was, right now. On the whole we try to keep them to a minimum, and let the posting frequency dictate visibility.

I do accept where you are coming from though, so....

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...if anyone wants to make one post that gives a good overview of the most useful quality threads in the clinic, that have retained value over time, ranked "per issue", I would be happy to take that as a base for a stickied post to guide people around.

The Floyd one would certainly deserve inclusion in such a list, and I think it would a post like that would add much needed reference value to the whole of the Clinic. Rather than highlight one bit-player, and one issue, from mainly one angle. (which is my main objection to retaining that thread and not featuring several others with the same prominence).

 

[Anonymous]

The way it works, posting an alert is a pretty loud way to ask nothing more than a question, one that could be handled by a single mod. Following it up with a forum post on top is a bit much.

I was exaggerating about the 30 seconds

posting here was more a response to thinking afterwards that it would have been better to post here than the way i originally chose.

I still think its a very important thread, and it is an ongoing case. The way it is it will quickly dissapear down the pages, there are a lot of links worthy of going in that thread but most people wont bother looking for it to post them there. Its certainly as important as the "legal" thread.

Its probably one of the most valuable resources on the web as far as articles related to landis/lance and whats even better is that despite its 360 posts it isnt a thread that degenerated into nonsense. The links only rule was respected (and occasionally enforced) meaning as a point of reference it is second to none.

Just my opinion.

It only highlights how long ago the latest post was, but I accept that it might have caught some regulars off-guard. So the suggestion to post a note when a "post dormant" thread gets unstuck was useful, as it would indeed let people take their own measures to keep it "handy".

The problem is, you only have to go back to the 27th of march, 4 days ago, to slip onto page two of the clinic. How many people bother going to page 2 of any of the forum sections? (for instance, i posted in it earlier. by tommorow it will be gone from sight again) Thats only a 4 day shelf life max on threads. And for a reference thread that isnt enough. With other threads you can bump them up with pointless chatter but the point of that thread was reference only.

Personally my vote is for re-stickying it but renaming to "Landis Allegations/Federal Inquiry Links"

 

[patricknd]

Skandar was American, his first language was English, he was just trolling

maybe so, i'm pretty trusting and tend to take folks at face value. you probably get around the forum more than me, so your suspicious nature isn't too surprising.

 

[Hugh Januss]

#62 Today, 10:07
Susan Westemeyer

Cetoad has been permanently banned for obvious reasons.

Susan

If you delete all his posts then how "obvious" can it be?

 

[Barrus]

If you delete all his posts then how "obvious" can it be?

Read the member name backwards

 

[Hugh Januss]

Read the member name backwards

Well the one post that I was able to find seemed to indicate some sort of rudimentary command of the English language, so it could not have really been him, could it?
While we are on the subject, I think a permanent ban of Skandar might be a little bit of an over reaction. Is it possible that what you see as "trolling" might just be that he is not all that bright? If you are going to ban people simply for being stupid then I bet it will get pretty quiet around here.

 

[Martin318is]

Without wanting to get into it too deeply beyond this (ie, I don't intend that any mod will answer questions on this):

The low level reason for Skandar's ban was his trolling. The higher level reason for it was the motivation that he had for trolling here and for faking up the "personality" he was using. There was never an implication that he is anything other tahn intelligent

 

[Semper Fidelis]

WoW so Sad.

 

[The Hitch]

Would like to say to whichever mod removed the offensive to me comment. Thanks. I appreciate it.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Would like to say to whichever mod removed the offensive to me comment. Thanks. I appreciate it.

I saw Red's post in the short time it was up, and while it was clear to me that he was trying to insult you (there was no other point to it) still it was tough to work out how we was actually insulting you.

 

[redtreviso]

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[Hugh Januss]

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[Cobblestoned]

Few would describe your suggestion that Chantal Jouanno be gang raped because she said Armstrong doped as "Good and accurate"

It is a BIG request for me, to clarify something here.
And it would only be fairplay by mods, to let this clarification stand.

For the sake of clarity:
At no point I suggested or called for Madame Jouanoo to be raped.
Neither was there any word about rape, nor was it my intention to spread a disgusting message like that. Such thoughts and such a message wasn't even in my mind. That would be ill, stupid and somehow suicide to post something like that.
I was explicity speaking about the "500", camera etc., and it was clear what I was actually talking about. And as far as I know, this happened on a voluntary basis, on base of consensus and was in no way rape. That was porn.
If my post was actually saying what raceradio made out of it, which was somehow the worst possible interpretation and deformation with some bad intentions of revenge, then Susan (who deleted this post) and other mods would have actually banned me immediately + lifetime, one would think, and that would have been just comprehensible.
And to make it clear - my pornpost was not THE reason for my recent24h ban, which can be seen in the timeline and by just asking the mods.

Users who are interested to get some clarification are free to get the original version of my post by the mods, since they have still access to that.
While I of course admit, that using some porn to describe a szenario or impression was not my best and accurate idea of painting a picture, and it was ok to delete that pornpost, I am somehow astonished by raceradios way of doing some bad, bad propaganda about me by making worst possible deformation out of my actual post + during time while I am banned for 24h and have to see his post exist there in the forum, without an immediate chance to react on and clarify this.
Seeing some goaded users even reacting and judging me on base of this deformed version of my post was just on top + noticing raceradio even trying to joke about me in an other thread (+on back of Mr.Lloyd's problems), shortly after my ban was there.

This is what I call "very unprofessional and poor behavior".

Watching this while beeing banned and beeing "helpless", required some good breathing techniques and Qigong sessions.

Any desperate efforts to turn this issue onto me now, will fail for sure.
Any desperate explanations by raceradio will fail for sure, and I don't really expect an appropriate clarification or excuse from him now.
I don't need it and it won't come anyway.

And I also want to ask the mods, why raceradio's deformation is still there, since they know what my post was actually saying. But hey, I won't even ask to delete raceradios "version" and propaganda, because it would just end in the usual szenario - me discussing with a mod about something that is as clear as ice and normally doesn't even need to be discussed, because it's so obvious.

Mr.raceradio, from my side, this clarification has nothing to do with our agenda, and any other user who actually tried something like you did here, would have gotten this clarification rubbed under nose now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPIJFNsUzU&feature=related

Mr.Le Chiffreradio, I'm sorry, but that last hand nearly killed me.
If you want to play games with me, then do it in a professional and fair manner.
Never go full *** or call me, if your winning chance is not 100%. And even spreading some poison won't make you win the jackpot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCoTDPR8Z9U

Thank you for your patience and taking time to read this clarification !

 

[pedaling squares]

Cobblestoned, for what it's worth once a post is edited we cannot view the original content.

Edit: Oops, yes we can. I just didn't know how. My apologies.

Now that I've read your original post, I accept that you did not intend to suggest that she be sexually assaulted. But the wording of your post could lead some to that conclusion so I don't agree that RR has 'deformed' your post. The post itself, even accepting your true meaning, was a truly spectacularly stupid thing to write and I cannot understand why you would go to such lengths to defend it or even discuss it further. And, after writing that post, you accuse RR of being unprofessional? Heed your own advice... never go full ***.

 

[Race Radio]

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Ahh, so the gangbang you suggested would be consensual.

You have been banned multiple times and your posts deleted because they are all out to get you. The content of your posts have nothing to do with it. It is all a big conspiracy.

 

[flyor64]

...totally snipped...

I didn´t read your post in its entirety but if you´re sincere that you did not intend your post to come across that way, I would offer a piece of friendly advice from one person who uses a second language to another someone his is using a second language here.

When in doubt, stop and think about a posts potential implications, back off and look at it again. If you are still not sure since it´s not your mother tongue, my advice is that you don´t post it just to be safe...

You can always ask someone and then come back to what I´m sure was a poignant point you were trying to make...

Prost