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TomasC said:It should be also said that it (salbutamol) was not banned at the time.
redtreviso said:Most absurd TDF winners in order..
#1 Lance Armstrong.. couldn't climb a ladder, no experience even contending then wins by 7 min bwahhhhhhaaaaa
#2 Bjarne Riis... Mr 60% indeed... go real fast
#3 Marco Pantani.. is dead
#4 Floyd Landis...bad hip..defrocked
#5 Jan Ulrich....Jim McMahon's lost german brother? Wonder how fat he is now. He should've added Midol to his program.
#6 Miguel Indurain...Too Big Mig.. Could kill all the moutain goats and all arounders at will...Often did not, on purpose
Lion of Flanders said:Was Fignon in the race in '87? He was battling injury mostly between 1984 and 1989 as I recall. Anyway, somebody had to win that Tour.
I forgot to add Carlos Sastre. While he was definitely the most deserving winner of all the 2008 contenders, being pretty much the only one of them to make a real attack over three flippin' weeks, the entire race was a pathetic farce of a Tour.
Tenacious P said:Agree with that. It crossed my mind that Sastre's win is what winning the TDF looks like when you're not juiced? Pure speculation of course but if true maybe we'd see more wins like that if cycling was proper clean?
Nick777 said:You would hope he is clean, but given everything that is coming out, it's pretty hard to argue with that logic.
Major Taylor said:Remember Evgeni Berzin?
He disappeared pretty much after winning the Giro in 94 at 24 years old.
Magnus said:So you just listed every TDF winner from 91-06 (and other posted the 07-09 winners)?
But I suppose you're all right. Every TDF winner is absurd. My first thought when reading the headline was Walkowiak(Edit: but of course walko isn't really typical Clinic material).
Tangled Tango said:I was thinking on similar lines. Is this about doping or racing style and type?
What I´d like to know is who wasn´t an absurd TDF winner? What makes one absurd and another not?
If doping is the critirium, than of course they´re all absurd, which to my mind makes the point mute.
If this is also about body types and racing style (which some posts seem to imply) is there really supposed to be a correct type of Tour winner? A correct type racing style for a Tour winner?
Having Pantani on the same list as Indurain, among others makes the list appear to include basically every winner as these two couldn´t be farther apart in physique and racing style. If the absurdness is only about drugs, then OK, but that leaves very few Tour winners off the list.
This is fairly depressing as it is so vastly and completely negative, that it´s hard to believe there is much love of bike racing here. And if one can only love clean bike racing, you may as well never watch another race.
I like many here have come to the conclusion that most of the pro peloton have doped and still dope and will continue to dope to win. Yet I still love to watch races and still keep my eye on various racers whom I root for or follow. The fact that I wouldn´t be able to deny it if you asked me if I think they´re clean, doesn´t lessen my enjoyment of the sport. It is what it is. A lot of those named above were and to some extent still are heros to me. The only one who isn´t is Armstrong and not because he doped, but because of his overt and covert efforts to silence and even hurt those who were brave enough to speak out against doping.
Sorry for the long post. Hope I haven´t offended anyone LA excluded. I guess I love the sport too much to keep from saying something on such a negative thread.