Most memorable doped perfomances?

[Ninety5rpm]

His blood values are that of Landis in 2006. Nothing different.

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[thehog]

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Here: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/gripper-concerned-over-bio-passport-publishing

Landis claimed that his own blood values from the 2006 Tour de France were similar to that of Wiggins's, who released his data in the aftermath of the 2009 Tour in a bid to quash any speculation that his fourth place finish was down to anything but hard work and a strong period of form.

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And for old time's sake a quote from Wiggo:

“I’ve always been a bit of a fan of Lance and have sided on the side of innocent until proven guilty with him. There isn’t an athlete or a cyclist out there that isn’t more tested than he is, certainly since his comeback, he’s probably been the most tested cyclist in the pro peloton and you take that on face value and that he’s never failed a drugs test and until he does he’s clean. That’s how I’ve always had as a stance on Lance.”

 

[ellenbrook2001]

the most impressive race of all time was JAQUE ANQUETIL after winning a 7 days race at 5 pm jump in a plane too BORDEAUX too start the 500 KM race BORDEAUX/PARIS he has only 4 hrs sleep has the race start the next morning at 1 am during the race was hes coequipier try too control TOM SIMPSON or was flying but in the end on a steep hill JAQUES ANQUETIL finished alone winner in PARIS .
was the most memorial race in the history was he was on no clue/
well i was there then did follow the race until CHATELLERAUX when they go behind derby .
never in the history of cycling that will be achieved cause BORDEAUX/PARIS been scratch many many years ago.

 

[Maxiton]

the most impressive race of all time was JAQUE ANQUETIL after winning a 7 days race at 5 pm jump in a plane too BORDEAUX too start the 500 KM race BORDEAUX/PARIS he has only 4 hrs sleep has the race start the next morning at 1 am during the race was hes coequipier try too control TOM SIMPSON or was flying but in the end on a steep hill JAQUES ANQUETIL finished alone winner in PARIS .
was the most memorial race in the history was he was on no clue/
well i was there then did follow the race until CHATELLERAUX when they go behind derby .
never in the history of cycling that will be achieved cause BORDEAUX/PARIS been scratch many many years ago.

I have to hand it to you, that was the doped performance to beat all doped performances. Great to hear from someone who actually saw it. Its amazing that Anquetil didn't kill himself. I think the culture wasn't as anti-doping then, and the PEDs not as effective, but they were probably very good for staying awake.

 

[superleicht]

As mentioned, the ride Navamoral ride by VDB where he shelled everyone - probably a major factor in Jan winning.

The TTT in the 03 tour where Jan towed the Bianchi team - comprised of a bunch of scratch riders after the collapse of Coast. I remember him having to back off so he wouldn't gap the teammate behind.

Maybe not doped (or anymore doped than anyone else) but memorable - Eros Poli's win on the Carpentras stage in 94. Wager no one else in the peloton thought he would stay away, even spotting him 22 minutes.

Best recovery - the remainder of the 05 tour following stage 8 where just about the entire Discovery team cracked. As Lance told CN after the stage, with me adding the parts Lance left out: "Clearly the team was not really on (the right dosage) today and I wasn't feeling really good either, and the other teams did feel good. With situations like (today), it'll be hard to win the Tour, day in and day out. So now we have to evaluate where we are and make some adjustments (to our program.)" Indeed they did!

 

[roundabout]

Casero, Plaza, Garcia Casas, Liese, Becke, Steinhauser, Garmendia.

They weren't scratch riders. Certainly not for a TTT.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I really hate to say it, but unfortunately, the performance does bring to mind the dominance of US Postal.

Wiggins still has his historical anti-doping stance that I count in his favor. And, Froome has shown similar GT dominance in past performances. And, Evans has stated he believes Sky has the strongest team this year.

And Froome's other GT performance probably belongs in here as well.

 

[superleicht]

Casero, Plaza, Garcia Casas, Liese, Becke, Steinhauser, Garmendia.

They weren't scratch riders. Certainly not for a TTT.

Agreed, not for a TTT but Ullrich was still doing more than his share of the work. I was thinking more of the overall selection of the team in support of a rider seeking a podium spot or better. Casero was top shelf with a win in the Vuelta, but the others had limited (or no) experience in a grand tour.

 

[compete_clean]

From the view of an ex-racer I can say that i have only personally seen this kind of performance unfold under two scenarios.

1. A vastly superior pro team shows up at a small/local event and they have the 7 strongest in the field and the gap to the next strongest rider is considerable.

2. A team with a big budget, well organized team has picked a specific event to gear their doping program (includes a team I raced with).


Note: Don't even bother asking me for specifics names (team, riders, or race). Apologies in advance of inevitable questions.

 

[hiero2]

I think you shoul all be asking why were all the other contenders all over the place. It must be cleaner if the brits are winning.

Agreed. And good point. BUT,

That's exactly the problem. On the whole the peloton surely is cleaner, and performances more credible, over the past few years. But if one doped team dominates like this and gets away with it, it's a green light for the other teams. Has to be.

+1.

His blood values are that of Landis in 2006. Nothing different.

Source?

I was thinking of something different than what thehog linked. I apologize for not being able to find it again - but I read an article recently where Wiggins' blood values were questioned by some big name in anti-doping circles (from the technical, lab, side). Wiggins had one that was elevated. The tech guy believed it was out of character - but only said it was suspicious, not definitive. I find obvious problems with this - the tests shown as contrasting were very far apart in time - and I KNOW, from experience, that things can vary over the short term and not appear to vary over the long term. But the article is out there somewhere. Hopefully somebody keeps better records of links than I did in this case.

Hmm...How about Rudy Dhaenens and Dirk De Wolf at the 1990 Worlds?

They seemed to surprise themselves.

Heh, yeah! They probably did!

the most impressive race of all time was JAQUE ANQUETIL after winning a 7 days race at 5 pm jump in a plane too BORDEAUX too start the 500 KM race BORDEAUX/PARIS he has only 4 hrs sleep has the race start the next morning at 1 am during the race was hes coequipier try too control TOM SIMPSON or was flying but in the end on a steep hill JAQUES ANQUETIL finished alone winner in PARIS .
was the most memorial race in the history was he was on no clue/
well i was there then did follow the race until CHATELLERAUX when they go behind derby .
never in the history of cycling that will be achieved cause BORDEAUX/PARIS been scratch many many years ago.

I have to hand it to you, that was the doped performance to beat all doped performances. Great to hear from someone who actually saw it. Its amazing that Anquetil didn't kill himself. I think the culture wasn't as anti-doping then, and the PEDs not as effective, but they were probably very good for staying awake.

Anquetil admitted openly to using speed, and it is obvious why. In order for a racer in his day to make a living, he had to race an unrealistic calendar.
I personally would not rank speed with today's PEDs. Speed is very effective, but imo, not really as a PED. Anquetil might have won this particular race because of it, since it does combat fatigue, but speed actually hampers recovery. When you speed, you must crash sometime. Either you crash - or the physical toll is very great. Too great to stay as a top athletic performer for long. Today's PEDs are on a different level by magnitudes. Even ephedra - the grandaddy of speed - is preferable to its children. Technically, I suppose speed is probably defined as a PED - but the impact is soooo different, I don't think of them as even in the same book.

But, yeah, it is nice that somebody brought Anquetil to this thread! But bringing Anquetil, should also remind us of Tom Simpson.

 

[ellenbrook2001]

oh thanks for the reply
has we know JAQUES ANQUETIL did married the wife of hes personal doctor or was a fully trained nurse so shes knew how too get the drug and how too administered but in my knowledge we never knew exactly what he was taking, but on the bike he was unstoppable stay on the bike for 16 hrs for BORDEAUX /PARIS .after the day before win a 7 days race and only 4 hrs sleep i remember during the BORDEAUX/PARIS race when the sun rise they all stop too changed clothes then take food ANQUETIL went crazy abusing hes trainer say too him a stop now too hard so when on and on so the others riders did start riding again so he decided also too race then when on too win the race with a strong battle with the late TOM SIMSPON what a race.
but unfortunately he did dye young from cancer very sad.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Pharmstrong overtaking Ullrich (one of the best ever TTler) on stage 1 TdF 2005. In 19 kms.

 

[Dead Star]

With the current news, what better time to bump this back up?

My favourite has to be 2004 on Mont Ventoux: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/jun04/dauphinelibere04/?id=results/stage4

1 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 55.51.49 (23.202 km/h)
2 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.35.26
3 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 1.03.09
4 Juan Miguel Mercado (Spa) Quick.Step-Davitamon 1.48.44
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 1.57.89
6 Inigo Landaluze (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 2.22.75
7 José Gutierrez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 2.44.09
8 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank 3.21.18
9 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank 3.33.38
10 Stéphane Goubert (Fra) Ag2R Prevoyance 3.35.81
11 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 3.55.55
12 David Moncoutie (Fra) Cofidis, le credit par Telephone 3.59.03
13 Cyril Dessel (Fra) Phonak Hearing Systems 4.03.20
14 Floyd Landis (USA) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 4.09.14
15 José Azevedo (Por) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 4.18.24
16 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit Agricole 4.37.09
17 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step-Davitamon 4.44.95
18 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 5.08.52
19 Sandy Casar (Fra) FDJeux.com 5.29.49
20 Victor Hugo Pena (Col) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 5.29.88


Assuming Moncoutie and Casar are the ones to trust in that list, the gaps are incredible.

And hello 17th place rider. I've seen that name before?

 

[Descender]

With the current news, what better time to bump this back up?

My favourite has to be 2004 on Mont Ventoux: http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/road/2004/jun04/dauphinelibere04/?id=results/stage4

1 Iban Mayo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 55.51.49 (23.202 km/h)
2 Tyler Hamilton (USA) Phonak Hearing Systems 0.35.26
3 Oscar Sevilla (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 1.03.09
4 Juan Miguel Mercado (Spa) Quick.Step-Davitamon 1.48.44
5 Lance Armstrong (USA) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 1.57.89
6 Inigo Landaluze (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 2.22.75
7 José Gutierrez (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 2.44.09
8 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank 3.21.18
9 Michael Rasmussen (Den) Rabobank 3.33.38
10 Stéphane Goubert (Fra) Ag2R Prevoyance 3.35.81
11 Oscar Pereiro (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 3.55.55
12 David Moncoutie (Fra) Cofidis, le credit par Telephone 3.59.03
13 Cyril Dessel (Fra) Phonak Hearing Systems 4.03.20
14 Floyd Landis (USA) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 4.09.14
15 José Azevedo (Por) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 4.18.24
16 Christophe Moreau (Fra) Credit Agricole 4.37.09
17 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step-Davitamon 4.44.95
18 Carlos Sastre (Spa) Team CSC 5.08.52
19 Sandy Casar (Fra) FDJeux.com 5.29.49
20 Victor Hugo Pena (Col) US Postal presented by Berry Floor 5.29.88


Assuming Moncoutie and Casar are the ones to trust in that list, the gaps are incredible.

And hello 17th place rider. I've seen that name before?

What a legendary team that was. Forever in our memory.

 

[Dead Star]

Paris-Nice earlier that year. Final GC:

Final general classification

1 Jorg Jaksche (Ger) Team CSC 28.00.01
2 Davide Rebellin (Ita) Gerolsteiner 0.15
3 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC 0.43
4 Jens Voigt (Ger) Team CSC
5 George Hincapie (USA) US Postal Service presented by Berry Floor 0.46
6 Frank Vandenbroucke (Bel) Fassa Bortolo 0.57
7 Oscar Pereiro Sio (Spa) Phonak Hearing Systems 1.01
8 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step-Davitamon 1.09
9 Frank Schleck (Lux) Team CSC 1.36
10 José Azevedo (Por) US Postal Service presented by Berry Floor 1.46
11 Ivan Basso (Ita) Team CSC 1.53


Jaksche: "I didn't come to Paris-Nice as the designated leader," said an always-modest Jaksche after the final victory was his. "This is an important race, and I think I've moved to a new level."

Heh!

And the next day, Riis gave us this as the explanation after Boonen called the above Gewiss-like:

"I've heard some things about us that concern me," Bjarne Riis commented in a Reuters report. "Some journalists will say anything. I can say that we have worked very hard together with the 25 riders of CSC in ten day training camps. Nobody worked like we did. We may have done the same number of kilometres as other teams, but ours were good kilometres!"

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2004/mar04/mar15news

 

[hrotha]

Someone should dig up Jaksche's confession now. He didn't "prepare" for many races because he was pretty afraid of testing positive, but Paris-Nice was one of his main goals I think.

 

[Turner29]

Ullrich did get fat each winter. Some early season races he would look comical in his team kit. On the doping front he had a similar setup to Armstrong, just substitute Ferrari with Cecchini. He was still one if my favourite ever riders though.

I also dispute that Armstrong was physically more gifted. Yes, he worked harder and IMHO also had a better program.

If Lance was physically gifted, he would have won Tours in his early 20s, just like Ullrich, LeMond, Fignon...

 

[babastooey]

Ricardo Ricco's TDF stage win. That, and when his Saunier Duval teammates Piepoli and I forget the other fellow, who rode off and finished 1-2 on a MTF the same year. Then they were kicked out, I think the next morning.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

After reading Tyler´s book (finally), stage 16 of 2003 must be mentioned...

 

[SundayRider]

Probably already been mentioned but Landis 2006 for me.

 

[PremiereEtape]

For me there is one stand out one because of the context both at the time and since...

Floyd Morzine 2006.

I was amazing TV at the time and it's been the most ridiculous Soap Opera since. Nothing comes close for me.

Agree 100%, such an awesome performance doped or not, and more drama than The Count of Monte Cristo. Absolutely incredible and insane. Only Floyd could have done that ride.

 

[zlev11]

how about Santi Perez in the 2004 Vuelta?

wins a stage by attacking on a climb and holding a 50 second gap on a descent plus about 10 km of flat, then smashes everyone in the mountain time trial up Sierra Nevada by about 2 minutes, and then puts 30 seconds into Heras on La Covatilla

and i haven't even watched the 3rd DVD yet...

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Mühlegg still beats them.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Not the most in my memory but back then we knew a long time things were wrong, watch fat a@@ Mick rule on Hautacamb 1994. Watch and laugh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SESSSpBUz1o

Big a@@ mtf. Big EPO Mick from day one.

 

[Ferminal]

how about Santi Perez in the 2004 Vuelta?

wins a stage by attacking on a climb and holding a 50 second gap on a descent plus about 10 km of flat, then smashes everyone in the mountain time trial up Sierra Nevada by about 2 minutes, and then puts 30 seconds into Heras on La Covatilla

and i haven't even watched the 3rd DVD yet...

Wait for Navacerrada! 25kmh!