Most Suspicious Performance Of The Last 5 Years

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Irondan said:
One word: Fuglesang...

Okay, maybe I have more to say than one word. If any performance over the past five years fit the OP perfectly it was Fuglesang and this years Dauphine. He looks like the best climber in the world at the moment, an attribute that has never ever been something associated with the Birdsong.

Astana strikes again, making a mockery of anti-doping efforts by putting a perennial also-ran into the Tour de France contender conversation. :eek:

No.

(a) History: sixth in Dauphine 2009, similar performances in the hardest stage races and one day races each year since. I agree it seems like he is better than ever, including a little bit better than Dauphine 2013 when he finished fourth with a second and fourth on stages. But not by much. That physical condition + race events would one day come together so he could win a big race is not unnatural. Also remember in the TDF 2013 in the two hardest stages, Ventoux and double Alpe d'Huez, he finished fourth/fifth of the top ten gc riders.

(b) Result here was because tactics like with Talansky. Fuglsang was not the strongest on friday's stage. Aru caught thirty seconds to him in a couple of kms and he couldn't follow Aru with one km to go. Froomey/Portey came back from even further and lucklily for Jacob the last km was easy. In today's stage Porte was strongest physically and probably Froome too but he used his energies by attacked too much and too early.

(c) Competition on the last mountain: second Martin, third Meintjes, fourth Buchmann, all within 50 seconds.

In my opinion Froome/Porte in the TDF will be as good as they have been in the last five years ie the best in the world. If Fuglsang can follow those two there in the real stages there is a real argument. As it stands now he is in the same group of riders, second line after the SKY/ex SKY guys + Quintana and I guess Dumo but the same level as Mollema, Bardet, Aru, van Garderen, König etc, as he was four years ago and basically already was eight years ago.
 
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DanielSong39 said:
If Fuglsang wins the Tour the forum would blow up for sure. It would surpass Wiggins for sure and maybe even Froome.
No. The two clowns were more suitable to serving lattes in Girona than owning the tdf judging by their histories in gts.

Fuglsang is dodgy of course, but the comparison is way off. Saying he is dodgy does not depend on such exaggerations. Just look at what he did.
 
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meat puppet said:
DanielSong39 said:
If Fuglsang wins the Tour the forum would blow up for sure. It would surpass Wiggins for sure and maybe even Froome.
Fuglsang is dodgy of course, but the comparison is way off. Saying he is dodgy does not depend on such exaggerations. Just look at what he did.

Yep, a 32 year old just won the Dauphine showing form we have never seen before from him. Completely agree with Irondan - Astana strikes again. A mockery.
 
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Cookster15 said:
meat puppet said:
DanielSong39 said:
If Fuglsang wins the Tour the forum would blow up for sure. It would surpass Wiggins for sure and maybe even Froome.
Fuglsang is dodgy of course, but the comparison is way off. Saying he is dodgy does not depend on such exaggerations. Just look at what he did.

Yep, a 32 year old just won the Dauphine showing form we have never seen before from him. Completely agree with Irondan - Astana strikes again. A mockery.
Oh, i agree about fuglsang being hilarious. But not with the comparison to wiggins and froome, the gruppetto all stars, i quoted above.
 
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It was a sucpisous result, but at least fuglsang has shown a decent level as a grand tour and stage rider before, so while we should be sucpious, i would not clasify this as froome or wiggins level, who magically became grand tour riders from the one day to the next.
 
Apr 30, 2011
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Because he outclimbed Martin, just like in all the other mountain stages? ;)

Froome, Valverde and Aru was more active than him in the stage, and Porte had to chase in the valley.
 
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Netserk said:
Because he outclimbed Martin, just like in all the other mountain stages? ;)

Froome, Valverde and Aru was more active than him in the stage, and Porte had to chase in the valley.

Its not just what we saw today. In yesterday's queen stage Fuglsang finished with Porte and ahead of Froome, Aru, Valverde and Contador. Friday he outsprinted Porte for the win after cresting the hardest climb in the race. I can't recall seeing this level from him before. He is 32 now this level should have been more evident earlier in his career and the fact Porte decided to mark Froome rather than Fuglsang today suggests Fuglsang's level was a surprise to him too. My theory is Aru is coming back well and they need a strong support rider for a tilt at the TdF. They just found one.
 
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At the end of the day Dauphine is an exhibition and Fuglsang will need to win the Tour to get near the top of this list.
 
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Netserk said:
Because he outclimbed Martin, just like in all the other mountain stages? ;)

Froome, Valverde and Aru was more active than him in the stage, and Porte had to chase in the valley.

Because of the gap and the ease. He carved it alone. Plus in the valley he did most of the work until he caught the front. Bardet barely took pulls
 
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I think it makes the list.

Look at the names he's outclassed: Bardet, Valverde, Contador, Froome, Porte, Martin. We're talking the absolute elite climbers, all coming into top form. It's June. And it's Astana. Fuglsang has always been quality - but not ride the elite climbers off his wheel quality.

It's in the list for sure.
 
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Just put Astana. Just looking at Aru coming back the way he did it after doing nothing for more than a year is very telling.
 
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The Hegelian said:
I think it makes the list.

Look at the names he's outclassed: Bardet, Valverde, Contador, Froome, Porte, Martin. We're talking the absolute elite climbers, all coming into top form. It's June. And it's Astana. Fuglsang has always been quality - but not ride the elite climbers off his wheel quality.

It's in the list for sure.


The thing is tho, that Fuglsang probaly always has been a better climber than martin to a certain extent, while you could argue that with the energi spent by froome, porte , and valverde, he might just have been lucky. And then again contador was just *** in this race :( That makes it a bit more realistic for me, but yeah astana is a problem, and is the best argument against him because the chances are the whole astana team is loaded with dope
 
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GuyIncognito said:
Netserk said:
Because he outclimbed Martin, just like in all the other mountain stages? ;)

Froome, Valverde and Aru was more active than him in the stage, and Porte had to chase in the valley.

Because of the gap and the ease. He carved it alone. Plus in the valley he did most of the work until he caught the front. Bardet barely took pulls
You mean on Colombière? I'd say that his efforts before the MTF were somewhat similar to what Martin did, and that he did better than him is not shocking after the previous two stages.
 
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Fuglsang suspicious?, sure. Enough to warrant discussion?, sure. But most suspicious performance of the last five years? Sorry, but lol ..
 
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Carstenbf said:
Fuglsang suspicious?, sure. Enough to warrant discussion?, sure. But most suspicious performance of the last five years? Sorry, but lol ..
I suspect people are using this thread for the wrong reasons. Maybe because is one of the few being looked at.
 
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Frankschleck said:
The Hegelian said:
I think it makes the list.

Look at the names he's outclassed: Bardet, Valverde, Contador, Froome, Porte, Martin. We're talking the absolute elite climbers, all coming into top form. It's June. And it's Astana. Fuglsang has always been quality - but not ride the elite climbers off his wheel quality.

It's in the list for sure.


The thing is tho, that Fuglsang probaly always has been a better climber than martin to a certain extent, while you could argue that with the energi spent by froome, porte , and valverde, he might just have been lucky. And then again contador was just **** in this race :( That makes it a bit more realistic for me, but yeah astana is a problem, and is the best argument against him because the chances are the whole astana team is loaded with dope

Yeah, true enough.

But there's also stage 6 to consider. I think he was undoubtedly the second best climber in the race.

And if you go back to pre-race speculations, who was seriously putting Fuglsang up there with riders like Bardet, Valverde, Froome et al? In hindsight, one could easily imagine him finishing in the top group maybe even a few times - then losing a little bit on other days.

But riding them all off his wheel? Nope, that really is suss.
 
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If you regard taking 12 seconds on masterclimber Dan Martin as one of the most suspiscious performances of the last five years one must reconsider ones objectivity.

LRP was impressive though, to say the least :)
 
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You guys are looking at the wrong rider. There was one alien performance on Sunday, and it wasn't in the front group.

That said, it's obvious Fuglsang stepped up his game. Not sure it's on Astana though. He needs a new contract.
 

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