Most Suspicious Performance of the year

[Netserk]

It would be very interesting to compare his numbers with numbers from one who wasn't in the break to see if how much an advantage it was to be in the break or if he could've won even if he had stayed put.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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Stybar and Boom were both completely off that day, so they can be discounted. Rowe was in the final group, but worked as a teammate for Stannard (Martin as well).

Of course the two biggest favorites were missing, with Terpstra and Kristoff missing as well, but it's not like none of the first tier riders were present.

Your betting odds, where Vanmarcke was the only one with odds better than 28 to 1, combined with the fact that two other big favourites like GVA and Degenkolb didn't even make the start, rather proves my point.

 

[Netserk]

So the fact that Vanmarcke was the third biggest favorite proves that every single rider in the top-10, including said third biggest favorite, was a second tier?

 

[oldcrank]

Re: Re:

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/by-the-numbers-what-it-takes-to-win-paris-roubaix/

Interesting look at Hyman's power data. He didn't won no lottery, he was a beast. Add his age, training in the garage, good ol' Rabo years and it looks higly suspicious.

Massive power in a couple instances, not to mention he didn't exactly have race legs after his injury.

I don't see how anyone could be out of racing for 6 weeks, then come back to PR and ride the way he did without a little help 'preparing'. It's actually quite normal, no?

The Haymaker raced twice the previous week, my friend,
so he was only 'out of racing' for one week before PR.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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So the fact that Vanmarcke was the third biggest favorite proves that every single rider in the top-10, including said third biggest favorite, was a second tier?

Okay, 9 out of the top 10 were second-tier riders. It makes world of difference.

 

[StryderHells]

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http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/by-the-numbers-what-it-takes-to-win-paris-roubaix/

Interesting look at Hyman's power data. He didn't won no lottery, he was a beast. Add his age, training in the garage, good ol' Rabo years and it looks higly suspicious.

In all fairness a majority of the Pro peloton look highly suspicious

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/by-the-numbers-what-it-takes-to-win-paris-roubaix/

Interesting look at Hyman's power data. He didn't won no lottery, he was a beast. Add his age, training in the garage, good ol' Rabo years and it looks higly suspicious.

In all fairness a majority of the Pro peloton look highly suspicious

This is the problem. You could pick the power file of most riders finishing top 10 in tough world tour races and they would all look hugely suspicious. I imagine pretty much all riders finishing high in Roubaix in the past few seasons will have normalized power well over 300w.

Hayman's file doesn't scream doping to me, unlike when you see riders putting out 6+ w/kg on climbs. There are no extreme numbers for any power-time measurement - but then again, he's not a world class rider, so even if he was doping you probably wouldn't expect to see them.

 

[May0maniac]

935W for 20 seconds in the sprint after such a hard race while spending the whole day in the breakaway is crazy.
In 2014 Greipel produced 945W for 23 seconds in the sprint of the easy, 90km long, flat, Adelaide stage of the Tour Down Under. Ok, his maximum wattage was on a different level, 1,916W, but being able to produce almost the same 20sec wattage after a brutal Paris Roubaix with multiple attacks on the last few km is crazy. Just look at the final 3km: Hayman covering Tom Boonen’s attack inside the final 3km (1,227W maximum; 15W/kg) before launching his own attack over the top, hitting 1,145W (14W/kg) and then holding roughly 540W (6.59W/kg) for 30 seconds.
Being able to produce that kind of wattage for 20 seconds in a sprint after spending the whole day in the breakaway in such a hard race, with multiple attacks on the last 12min of the race should race some eyebrows.
Greipel power data from the Tour Down Under stage:
http://www.srm.de/de/news/strasse/tour-down-under-stage-6/

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Hayman's - cant even spell his name correctly it seems - was awesome. His reaction after the finish was that from a rider using a solid finishing bottle, which are legal nowadays. Lets not talk like he is a total fluke in Roubaix please. And, he always was a decent finisher.

 

[DFA123]

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935W for 20 seconds in the sprint after such a hard race while spending the whole day in the breakaway is crazy.
In 2014 Greipel produced 945W for 23 seconds in the sprint of the easy, 90km long, flat, Adelaide stage of the Tour Down Under. Ok, his maximum wattage was on a different level, 1,916W, but being able to produce almost the same 20sec wattage after a brutal Paris Roubaix with multiple attacks on the last few km is crazy. Just look at the final 3km: Hayman covering Tom Boonen’s attack inside the final 3km (1,227W maximum; 15W/kg) before launching his own attack over the top, hitting 1,145W (14W/kg) and then holding roughly 540W (6.59W/kg) for 30 seconds.
Being able to produce that kind of wattage for 20 seconds in a sprint after spending the whole day in the breakaway in such a hard race, with multiple attacks on the last 12min of the race should race some eyebrows.
Greipel power data from the Tour Down Under stage:
http://www.srm.de/de/news/strasse/tour-down-under-stage-6/

Presumably Boonen, Stannard and Vanmarcke were hitting pretty similar power in the final 3km. They were neck and neck in the sprint and all did their fair share of attacking and closing down. What makes Hayman's performance more suspicious than theirs? Don't forget as well that they was a massive slow down before the sprint; they basically cruised for about 30 seconds which gave some crucial reccovery - it wasn't as though they launched into a sprint immediately on the back of a hard effort.

The big difference between Greipel and Hayman's effort - as you mentioned - is the peak power. Comparing the average power over 20 seconds is pointless when one guy put out 700 watts more at their peak.

 

[the delgados]

Most suspicious performance of the year?
Philippe Gilbert, hands down.
Seems he missed the top up dates. Wonder where he was when it was time to ride like a true professional.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/by-the-numbers-what-it-takes-to-win-paris-roubaix/

Interesting look at Hyman's power data. He didn't won no lottery, he was a beast. Add his age, training in the garage, good ol' Rabo years and it looks higly suspicious.

Massive power in a couple instances, not to mention he didn't exactly have race legs after his injury.

I don't see how anyone could be out of racing for 6 weeks, then come back to PR and ride the way he did without a little help 'preparing'. It's actually quite normal, no?

The Haymaker raced twice the previous week, my friend,
so he was only 'out of racing' for one week before PR.

Wow only needs 2 races to get race prepped for a monument and the hardest of all! That and the rollers in the garage. Of course it does...my friend...of course it does.......my naive friend.

 

[doperhopper]

Re: Re:

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/04/by-the-numbers-what-it-takes-to-win-paris-roubaix/

Interesting look at Hyman's power data. He didn't won no lottery, he was a beast. Add his age, training in the garage, good ol' Rabo years and it looks higly suspicious.

Massive power in a couple instances, not to mention he didn't exactly have race legs after his injury.

I don't see how anyone could be out of racing for 6 weeks, then come back to PR and ride the way he did without a little help 'preparing'. It's actually quite normal, no?

The Haymaker raced twice the previous week, my friend,
so he was only 'out of racing' for one week before PR.

Wow only needs 2 races to get race prepped for a monument and the hardest of all! That and the rollers in the garage. Of course it does...my friend...of course it does.......my naive friend.

Don't worry. It will be scientifically confirmed as new marginal gain, once Brailsford proves indoor training is better, more calculable, safer, and you can have your own pillow on it!

 

[The Hegelian]

What I find incredibly suspicious are fatties climbing like goats, or goats time trialing like specialists. Or donkeys become GC stars overnight.

i.e. when someone totally betrays their history of specialisation. Like Jalabert going from bunch sprinter to GT winner. There's plenty of that still going on now.

That a cobbled specialist won a cobbled race is simply not eye brow raising for me. He's been the same type of rider for 15+ years. When we see a Spanish climber ride Stannard, Boonen and Vanmarcke off his wheel on some hard pave, you will definitely see my eyebrows raised......

 

[jsem94]

1. Hayman PR
2. Rosa Basque Country
3. Stuyven KBK
4. Contador Arrate
5. Cance E3
6. Sagan RVV

Something like that. Not a particular order, but something like that.

 

[thehog]

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1. Hayman PR
2. Rosa Basque Country
3. Stuyven KBK
4. Contador Arrate
5. Cance E3
6. Sagan RVV

Something like that. Not a particular order, but something like that.

Thomas Geriant Paris-Nice?

 

[jsem94]

Re: Re:

1. Hayman PR
2. Rosa Basque Country
3. Stuyven KBK
4. Contador Arrate
5. Cance E3
6. Sagan RVV

Something like that. Not a particular order, but something like that.

Thomas Geriant Paris-Nice?

Right. Forgot about that. That's ahead of KBK for sure. That final stage was one of the racing days of the season, can't believe I forgot about that.

 

[IndianCyclist]

Gianluca Brambilla - Strade Bianche

 

[thehog]

Re: Re:

1. Hayman PR
2. Rosa Basque Country
3. Stuyven KBK
4. Contador Arrate
5. Cance E3
6. Sagan RVV

Something like that. Not a particular order, but something like that.

Thomas Geriant Paris-Nice?

Right. Forgot about that. That's ahead of KBK for sure. That final stage was one of the racing days of the season, can't believe I forgot about that.

Just wait for Landa at the Giro, it will a homage to the pre-health check days.

 

[DFA123]

Re: Re:

1. Hayman PR
2. Rosa Basque Country
3. Stuyven KBK
4. Contador Arrate
5. Cance E3
6. Sagan RVV

Something like that. Not a particular order, but something like that.

Thomas Geriant Paris-Nice?

Right. Forgot about that. That's ahead of KBK for sure. That final stage was one of the racing days of the season, can't believe I forgot about that.

Just wait for Landa at the Giro, it will a homage to the pre-health check days.

Giro is going to be epic this year. A super-charged Landa against a well prepared Nibali and Valverde, with Zakarin somewhere in the mix as well. And no dominant rider like Froome or Contador who will control the race.

 

[Escarabajo]

Hey, leave Hayman alone. He only wants a piece of the pie that cannot get anywhere else.

 

[thehog]

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Hey, leave Hayman alone. He only wants a piece of the pie that cannot get anywhere else.

Gasparotto, part of the new clean generation with Hayman.

 

[dacooley]

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Hey, leave Hayman alone. He only wants a piece of the pie that cannot get anywhere else.

who is gonna to have mercy on any rider in the clinic? Just another doper who disgraces already many times disgraced cycling...

 

[MartinGT]

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Gianluca Brambilla - Strade Bianche

This one for me has to be up there.

 

[PhiLiz]

What about Valverde's crushing performances in Castilla Y Leon?