Motor doping thread

[Huapango]

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Just like with doping, its not just one team using boosters. Part of what makes omerta work is that everyone is in. I have to admit that I thought the ruse was up with the seat tube/BB motor, but I'm not so sure now.

The strategy is, when and how much to use your booster. If you use it up and crash you won't have any boost to help you get back. If you use too much on an early climb you won't have any for the finish climb. If you use too much on the last climb you won't have any for the flat run in to the finish.

...and just like blood dopers, some riders are better responders than others. For instance, Froome responds very well to riding with a motor, it keeps him from having the hang onto team cars to get up big mountains.

 

[El Pistolero]

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Should also be pointed out that Froome and Poels only gained 34 seconds on Nibs, who was possibly riding with a broken rib

On my way to the train station (for work) I recently fell hard on my face and broke 2 of my front teeth severely and had a huge swollen lip that was bleeding. What did I do? Still rode my bike to the train station, took the train (half an hour), walked to the metro station and took the metro (5 minutes) and then walked to work (20-25 minutes). Once there they told me to go to the emergency care immediately because I was actually planning to still work the whole day.

Got to stay at home for 3 days because of that.

What I'm trying to say is: you can do a lot on adrenaline.

 

[adamfo]

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The other LOL moment from the live coverage was Froome closing down Poels after the hairpin with 1km to go. I doubt I was the only one who chuckled and said "yeah, whatever, do what you like, it's all a farce at this point."

https://twitter.com/bignickguff/status/906549780159123456

Now level your screen up so the spectators are vertical and you will see that was a ramp less steep than you think

I think what you mean is 'just tilt your screen to one side and pretend it is a flat section' and everything will look normal.

FFS be a bit more observant: people do not stand up leaning 30 degrees

Judging speed is difficult. In motorsport a fixed camera position often zooms out slowly as the vehicles approach, pans as they corner then zooms in to maintain the frame. With a helicopter you add all sorts of variables, for example, hovering but creeping backwards gives the appearance of the moving object being filmed moving through the frame faster.

 

[DanielSong39]

Judging whether the bike sways is not difficult. It's actually impossible to prevent the bike from swaying if you make a sudden acceleration. You're applying sudden downforce on one side of the bike.

One easy sign of a motor is when a rider suddenly puts in a 600+ watt acceleration while the pedals seem to turn themselves. Look at footage of Femke Van den Driessche in the cyclocross event.

 

[the delgados]

sky went full MOtard

Nice one.
I'm far removed from riding up hills in a 39-27 and have no idea what gear ratios these guys are using, but that does not look normal. Especially when you consider the gradient of the climb which was near the very end of a GT.
Guy looks like he got a huge push from a spectator at the steepest part of the incline so he could have a chat with the Vroomster.

 

[red_flanders]

It's amazing how they sped up the footage for only the one rider. These modern computerz...

 

[Random Direction]

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Froome and Poels today super motored!!!!!

Look at Poels talking to Froome as he goes past on the steep part of the corner like it was flat. FFS!!!!!!!!!


https://twitter.com/Archidux/status/906557462580514817

Poels in that clip leaves me zero doubt that a motor was engaged. He:
- speeds up on the steepest section of the hairpin
- takes an unnatural line
- almost loses his back wheel
- drops Zakarin like a fly
- has a chat about the weather with Froome as he goes by
- doesn't change cadence

 

[Cycle Chic]

and dont forget he also had the time to turn around and see what was happening behind him

 

[jmdirt]

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It's amazing how they sped up the footage for only the one rider. These modern computerz...

As I noted up thread, that can be done, but it requires more than photoshop. I'm not sure what the cost for that level of software/hardware is, but I would guess that not too many people have it. Pixar could do it, but they don't post bike races on YouTube.

 

[TheDuke]

One that caught my eye and again could be just an illusion is in this bsp from Orica-Scott. Look at around 4min 03secs, when Froome accelerates to close the gap, but cadence seems to be the same. I guess he could have dropped a couple of gears, but it just looks weird. https://youtu.be/RNjy08DHU-w

 

[thehog]

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One that caught my eye and again could be just an illusion is in this bsp from Orica-Scott. Look at around 4min 03secs, when Froome accelerates to close the gap, but cadence seems to be the same. I guess he could have dropped a couple of gears, but it just looks weird. https://youtu.be/RNjy08DHU-w

Use this link:

https://youtu.be/RNjy08DHU-w?t=4m1s

 

[Cycle Chic]

Surely someone out there can analyse this footage and calculate if they (SKY) are using a motor ?

I thought it was odd that Froome was so certain he would never be caught doping....he knew it would be so hard to detect and be caught.

 

[ontheroad]

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Froome and Poels today super motored!!!!!

Look at Poels talking to Froome as he goes past on the steep part of the corner like it was flat. FFS!!!!!!!!!


https://twitter.com/Archidux/status/906557462580514817

Poels in that clip leaves me zero doubt that a motor was engaged. He:
- speeds up on the steepest section of the hairpin
- takes an unnatural line
- almost loses his back wheel
- drops Zakarin like a fly
- has a chat about the weather with Froome as he goes by
- doesn't change cadence

The Poels clip is the most obvious televised incident I've seen indicating motor doping yet. Worse than Cancellara, Froome Ventoux or anywhere else. You have summed it up well. Short of detecting a physical engine it's as obvious a case of motor doping as I've seen. So much so that I haven't even heard any of the usual sky sycophant's even try to defend it. You can't.

 

[Benotti69]

You can easily 'see' one of these in a composite wheel

https://twitter.com/mashable/status/907831106703167488

 

[Benotti69]

Basic electric motor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODMCbrjEPvs

simples.

 

[StryderHells]

sky went full MOtard

Nice one.
I'm far removed from riding up hills in a 39-27 and have no idea what gear ratios these guys are using, but that does not look normal. Especially when you consider the gradient of the climb which was near the very end of a GT.
Guy looks like he got a huge push from a spectator at the steepest part of the incline so he could have a chat with the Vroomster.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere Sky riders were using 34 small ring on the front and a 11-32 on the back.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over

 

[DanielSong39]

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Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over

Game was over a while ago - Froome's heart rate didn't change on Ventoux in 2013...

 

[Craigee]

Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.

 

[jens_attacks]

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Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-reveals-plans-for-team-sky-a-la-francaise/

 

[MarkvW]

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Here's hoping Cookson loses the election and the new guy cleans up Sky and British cycling.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/french-federation-reveals-plans-for-team-sky-a-la-francaise/

Here's hoping for pink unicorns!

 

[noddy69]

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Froome and Poels today super motored!!!!!

Look at Poels talking to Froome as he goes past on the steep part of the corner like it was flat. FFS!!!!!!!!!


https://twitter.com/Archidux/status/906557462580514817

Poels in that clip leaves me zero doubt that a motor was engaged. He:
- speeds up on the steepest section of the hairpin
- takes an unnatural line
- almost loses his back wheel
- drops Zakarin like a fly
- has a chat about the weather with Froome as he goes by
- doesn't change cadence

I did think it looked like it was doctored but maybe just so unbelievable - Looking back at it - does Poels do something with his hands before he speeds up the incline ? Looks like he nearly turns/pulls down on the crossbar like revving an engine---or am I losing it altogether and just seeing things that aren't there ?

 

[the delgados]

sky went full MOtard

Nice one.
I'm far removed from riding up hills in a 39-27 and have no idea what gear ratios these guys are using, but that does not look normal. Especially when you consider the gradient of the climb which was near the very end of a GT.
Guy looks like he got a huge push from a spectator at the steepest part of the incline so he could have a chat with the Vroomster.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere Sky riders were using 34 small ring on the front and a 11-32 on the back.

That explains a lot.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Poels, or anyone else was riding with a motor; but if not, the gear ratios used by the team makes it seem entirely plausible he hit that incline on his own steam.
Keep in mind he was waiting for Froome to catch up, so he had some time to take a breather before going into mountain bike mode to keep up.

 

[jahn]

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Froome and Poels today super motored!!!!!

Look at Poels talking to Froome as he goes past on the steep part of the corner like it was flat. FFS!!!!!!!!!


https://twitter.com/Archidux/status/906557462580514817

Poels in that clip leaves me zero doubt that a motor was engaged. He:
- speeds up on the steepest section of the hairpin
- takes an unnatural line
- almost loses his back wheel
- drops Zakarin like a fly
- has a chat about the weather with Froome as he goes by
- doesn't change cadence

I did think it looked like it was doctored but maybe just so unbelievable - Looking back at it - does Poels do something with his hands before he speeds up the incline ? Looks like he nearly turns/pulls down on the crossbar like revving an engine---or am I losing it altogether and just seeing things that aren't there ?

Yes, he changes gears in the rear cassette using his right hand.

Not seeing it here guys. I do see the rocking of his body characteristic of a large burst of effort right at the point of acceleration and gear change.

 

[Amazinmets87]

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Can anyone get Poels data from that stage - if his heart rate didnt change then thats game over

Game was over a while ago - Froome's heart rate didn't change on Ventoux in 2013...

Can you share?