Motor doping thread

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Renaat Schotte ‏@wielerman 10 min.10 minuten geleden Vertaling weergeven
Official: first rider ever caught with a 'motorbike' is Belgian Femke Vandendriessche. #CXZolder16

Femke Van den Driessche (U23 Women) at Worlds CX...

 

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Full report (in Dutch):
http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/wielrennen/veldrijden/1.2559655

 

[Benotti69]

Considering how far UCI is behind cheating, this has probably being going on before even Davide Cassani first did a piece at Il Giro a few years (3????) ago.

 

[sniper]

this must be a hoax.
the technology doesn't exist yet.

 

[MarkvW]

Re:

this must be a hoax.
the technology doesn't exist yet.

I'm a believer now. Go SPARTACUS Go!!!

 

[LaFlorecita]

Re: Re:

this must be a hoax.
the technology doesn't exist yet.

I'm a believer now. Go SPARTACUS Go!!!

How ironic that the first rider gets caught just as Cancellara finally wins a race again

 

[hrotha]

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

 

[Benotti69]

remember when Ryder 'crap on epo' Hesjedal said

"It's the stupidest thing. It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, It's not possible. It's just not possible"

that new trek of his has a massive down tube!

 

[Benotti69]

Re:

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

Brown envelopes help hide motors easily.

 

[Rovinin]

Pretty sure it's not the first one.
The other suspects in the last years probably gave some money or something like that to cover up.
She's the first one, because she's a "nobody".

 

[Tienus]

Re: Mechanical doping: first rider caught

I was watching the race. She was walking with her bike after a mechanical issue. After she abandoned the camera followed her and you could see her jump on her bike and pedal back to the pits. Then the news was that she was too disappointed to comment after she broke her chain. I allready wondered what happened but she definetely did not break her chain. Mayby this allerted the UCI.

 

[GP Blanco]

According to her dad it is a bike that someone in her entourage placed in her box and she didn't ride the bike during the race.

First part is not really convincing...

http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20160130_02100012

 

[MarkvW]

Re:

Pretty sure it's not the first one.
The other suspects in the last years probably gave some money or something like that to cover up.
She's the first one, because she's a "nobody".

Would think that this kind of technology would filter down from the better-financed top teams. Anybody who thinks that this is just her is nuts. This kind of cheating requires team support.

I expect the UCI's response to be cooksonish (ineffectual).

 

[hrotha]

Re: Re:

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

Brown envelopes help hide motors easily.

That's not how brown envelopes work when it comes to doping, so I don't know why you'd assume it'd be different with motors.

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

Brown envelopes help hide motors easily.

That's not how brown envelopes work when it comes to doping, so I don't know why you'd assume it'd be different with motors.

sure ask Diaack.

 

[Benotti69]

Rider, Thomas Pidcock, in the Men's Junior CX WC race came from 32nd on the last lap to finish 5th!!!

 

[May0maniac]

Couldn't they just use a Thermal Imager to search those motors?
If they want to avoid a big scandal just imform the teams about the fact that you're going to start using them do detect motors.

 

[MarkvW]

Re: Re:

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

Brown envelopes help hide motors easily.

That's not how brown envelopes work when it comes to doping, so I don't know why you'd assume it'd be different with motors.

It's not brown envelopes. It's Sysmex machines (which can never be found).

 

[WillemS]

One interesting angle is the possibility of target testing. When asked if she was targeted, UCI-official Van den Abeele was rather evasive:

"Of dit een gerichte controle was? We controleren al een tijdje op de wereldkampioenschappen. De laatste jaren was er ook heisa en hebben we onze technologie aangepast."
(Source: Sporza.be)

Rough translation:
"Was it a targeted test? We have been performing tests at the world championships for a while now. Over the last couple of years there was some drama surrounding it and so we adapted our technology."

So, he doesn't really answer the question whether or not the test was targeted. He doesn't say "yes" or "no", but rather iterates that they have been performing tests like this one for a few years.

 

[sniper]

Re:

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

it doesn't matter if it's technologically possible.
motordoping is ethically so far out that nobody would even consider it.
doping, yes, motordoping, nah.

 

[Benotti69]

Apparently her walking across the finish line alerted UCI officials.....

At 44:20 on the UCI feed of u23 woman's race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEEP7EGFk_U#t=2677

 

[hrotha]

Re: Re:

It remains to be seen how easy it was to detect. Everybody can put a motor in their bike. Avoiding detection (which is what makes it feasible in a professional context) is a different matter altogether.

it doesn't matter if it's technologically possible.
motordoping is ethically so far out that nobody would even consider it.
doping, yes, motordoping, nah.

Hey, you tell that to whoever argued that. I always questioned its feasibility, not pro riders' willingness to exploit something illegal. Closest thing to that I ever said was that it was likely to be seen as much worse than doping within the peloton.

 

[Benotti69]

Wonder will Wilier Triestina sue?

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

this must be a hoax.
the technology doesn't exist yet.

I'm a believer now. Go SPARTACUS Go!!!

I am curious if that year by Matti Breschel was legit or not, when he was at CSC, because he did have a fine year that year with Spartacus.

But, in MB's defense, when he first came into the peloton as a 22 or 21 yo, he had a great debut, I remember he was winning Dreidaagse Van Vlaanderen or Four Days of Dunkirk, one of those races, and Robbie Mcewen tangled up with him and he had a pretty bad collarbone break. So he did have alot of talent.

 

[Random Direction]

Let's see who withdraws from the other U23 race, and the elite ones. I sense that a flu is coming