I stopped watching CX. Too unbelievable.sniper said:VdPoel is interesting.
Maybe Van Aert has been warned to take it down a notch, after singlehandedly having created three or four youtube classics and now starring in all sorts of 'best of' compilations.
Meanwhile has any journo tried to talk to Femke or her family?
If Van Aerts was using a motor, and we know Femke was, maybe we're looking at more structural involvement of Belgian officials and/or coaches in facilitating motor use?
Somebody on youtube made a compilation:sniper said:Another one from Ventoux 2000.sniper said:2003 Luz Ardiden.sniper said:1999 Sestriere. Go to 8:16-ish:sniper said:...zlev11 said:was watching Ventoux 2000 last night and noticed this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNcgE4iakJc go to 1:55:12
Lance does a strange motion where he either touches his left thigh or touches under the saddle, it's hard to tell. is he pushing a button?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6hM9ejMiAk
Watch from the start. He falls, gets up on his bike, is pushed back in motion, and first thing he does is grab or adjust something under the saddle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEqQW1-casM
First radio contact, then goes (or seems to go) for the saddle, and then makes the jump.
Watch from the start and preferably slo-mo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkndsmCIdU
No, it's 'rather compelling' when he obviously doesn't even touch the saddle in the Alpe d'Huez clip.deValtos said:As Phil/Paul say it honestly just does look like a nervous twitch.
Thanks for confirming he does seem to touch the saddle in the remaining 5-6 examples.roundabout said:No, it's 'rather compelling' when he obviously doesn't even touch the saddle in the Alpe d'Huez clip.deValtos said:As Phil/Paul say it honestly just does look like a nervous twitch.
No, I confirmed nothing about the other examples so don't try twisting what I wrote.sniper said:Thanks for confirming he does seem to touch the saddle in the remaining 5-6 examples.roundabout said:No, it's 'rather compelling' when he obviously doesn't even touch the saddle in the Alpe d'Huez clip.deValtos said:As Phil/Paul say it honestly just does look like a nervous twitch.
Yes, plenty of times. And on most races he usually throws it away near the end of the race. I've noticed it too and it isn't only VdP. Van Aert also carried a bottle today in Zonhoven and yesterday too (he even discharged plenty of liquid on the finish line on some lap). And I recall other riders using one (I think it was Sweeck a.o.).veganrob said:Has he ever tried to drink from it?prawny said:Has anyone else noticed that Mathieu VdP is the only one using a bottle in the CX so far this season?
Beautiful.Tienus said:Phil Liggett commentating on Contador's bike changes in the 2011 Giro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDbNJMwxWY
Tienus said:Phil Liggett commentating on Contador's bike changes in the 2011 Giro.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cDbNJMwxWY
so you mean the big whistleblowers like Dekker Landis Rasmussen could keep the omertà on motor-doping?sniper said:Of course it could massively impact the present.
If Lance or Floyd or Rasmussen would be exposed as a motor doper it could put a lot of things in motion regarding present-day motordoping. It could be a real dam breaker.
The least we can do in here is draw attention to certain phenomena and hope some journo with a bit of an appetite reads this stuff and decides to start investigating.
Yeah, definitely. All of them had clear incentives to speak about doping. But I don't see a single incentive for them to blab about motors.pastronef said:so you mean the big whistleblowers like Dekker Landis Rasmussen could keep the omertà on motor-doping?sniper said:Of course it could massively impact the present.
If Lance or Floyd or Rasmussen would be exposed as a motor doper it could put a lot of things in motion regarding present-day motordoping. It could be a real dam breaker.
The least we can do in here is draw attention to certain phenomena and hope some journo with a bit of an appetite reads this stuff and decides to start investigating.
Great idea. And there are many others who would be worth contacting. But as I said a few posts back, the journos have no appetite, or if they do they clearly don't know where to look (with very rare exceptions such as Thierry Vildary (Stade 2) and Marco Bonarrigo (Corriere della Sera) who did three or four reports on motors together).I'd like to ask Aitor Gonzalez if he heard about motors. he's in jail now, nothing to lose. same for Bobridge, they could both speak freely.?
The peloton does know it. See upthread for ample exemplification.if motor were used, would the peloton know it?
yep, I forgot him, and Thomas Frei and others I dont remember. but motor doping is such a hard topic they wouldnt want to admit? would they be even more relegated out of the environment if they spilled the beans?sniper said:Yeah, definitely. All of them had clear incentives to speak about doping. But I don't see a single incentive for them to blab about motors.pastronef said:so you mean the big whistleblowers like Dekker Landis Rasmussen could keep the omertà on motor-doping?sniper said:Of course it could massively impact the present.
If Lance or Floyd or Rasmussen would be exposed as a motor doper it could put a lot of things in motion regarding present-day motordoping. It could be a real dam breaker.
The least we can do in here is draw attention to certain phenomena and hope some journo with a bit of an appetite reads this stuff and decides to start investigating.
And you may add Jaksche here. Very suspect for motors in my view in his time riding for Riis while working closely together with SRM founder Uli Schoberer.
Great idea. And there are many others who would be worth contacting. But as I said a few posts back, the journos have no appetite, or if they do they clearly don't know where to look (with very rare exceptions such as Thierry Vildary (Stade 2) and Marco Bonarrigo (Corriere della Sera) who did three or four reports on motors together).I'd like to ask Aitor Gonzalez if he heard about motors. he's in jail now, nothing to lose. same for Bobridge, they could both speak freely.?
The peloton does know it. See upthread for ample exemplification.if motor were used, would the peloton know it?
yep, I forgot him, and Thomas Frei and others I dont remember. but motor doping is such a hard topic they wouldnt want to admit? would they be even more relegated out of the environment if they spilled the beans?
that's what I would like to know
why, if really there are motors, dont they talk about that?
scared?
ashamed?
actually they have no clue at all?
maybe motor doping is still not real?
maybe they are scared about being sued for talking without facts?Tienus said:yep, I forgot him, and Thomas Frei and others I dont remember. but motor doping is such a hard topic they wouldnt want to admit? would they be even more relegated out of the environment if they spilled the beans?
that's what I would like to know
why, if really there are motors, dont they talk about that?
scared?
ashamed?
actually they have no clue at all?
maybe motor doping is still not real?
You can also add Di Luca to that list. He actually did speak about motordoping but he was a bit vague. I wonder if it is a coincidence that according to him it started just after the years in which he had his best results.
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/21-01-2014/ciclismo-luca-meglio-legalizzare-doping-prendono-tutti-ci-sono-pure-combine-202137332642.shtml?utm_source=notizie247&utm_medium=twitter
Com’è la storia delle bici col motore? È possibile?
"Certo che lo ritengo possibile".
Cioè? Spiegaci.
"Lo ritengo possibile perché c’era troppa differenza. Il doping non ti può dare quella differenza".
L’hai mai vista una bici col motore?
"Il motore so com’è fatto. Sono stati inventati credo 5/6 anni fa, si possono inserire dentro la bicicletta, quindi sono molto piccoli. Possano dare 150 watt di potenza".
E non se ne accorge nessuno? Non ci sono i controlli?
"Prima non si facevano perché non si sapeva. Quando si è iniziato a vociferare di questo motorino hanno iniziato".
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