Motor doping thread

[jmdirt]

The riders/team are claiming that they were DQed for their bikes being too light/not UCI cleared:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/three-riders-disqualified-under-mechanical-doping-rule/

If this bike was with the team, they intended to use it, and therefore cheat the weight rule (granted a stupid rule but a rule nonetheless).

I'll wait to see what the UCI has to say...

 

[rekhyt]

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He crushed Alpe d'Huez in 2012, so why exactly is it a surprise to see him doing well in smaller mountainous races? Also, he uploads all the rides including power data.

Is he a doper? Maybe, i wouldn't bet a penny on him being clean.
Is he a mechanical doper? Surely not.

 

[luckyboy]

I spoke to this guy and he insists that it is because his backup bike was underweight - he changed bikes after another rider saw a crack on his frame. The backup had a single front chainring 48t and 10-42 on the back.

Also saw a report that has the commissaires also saying it's a matter of weight - http://jpnn.com///read/2016/05/14/408385/news.php?id=408385

Seems like that team shouldn't have been at the race anyway because they only started with 3 riders.

 

[jens_attacks]

another rider trained by antoine vayer bites the dust.

 

[pastronef]

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another rider trained by antoine vayer bites the dust.

trained by him?

so that's why I didnt find any comment about that on his twitter

which other riders does Vayer train?

 

[DamianoMachiavelli]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Jeebus. Only Cookson could do something this stupid: Take something beyond the pale like using a motor, conflate it with bikes that are too light, and let the press report on it as though DQs might be due to motor use. Idiot!

 

[Tonton]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

According to l'Equipe, he brought a spare bike for parts, and befre the start, another rider noticed that his frame was cracked. The spare had one chain ring, weighted 6.2kg. No motor, then, but as LS brought up, some very suspect performances in recent past.

 

[V3R1T4S]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

According to l'Equipe, he brought a spare bike for parts, and befre the start, another rider noticed that his frame was cracked. The spare had one chain ring, weighted 6.2kg. No motor, then, but as LS brought up, some very suspect performances in recent past.

They do -- even more so because he has already served a doping ban in the past.

 

[Tienus]

A bit more info on Femke's case:

http://road.cc/content/news/189602-mechanical-doping-ban-femke-van-den-driessches-entourage-urges-cookson
“The whole team had walkie-talkie radios, ear pieces and seemed pretty anxious and, overall, just a bit odd. I’d never seen that before and it kind of stuck in my head.”
This surpises me as the team did not use any hight tech communication equipment while stealing parakeets. They also did not look anxious at all during the operation.

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/05/brian-cookson-indicates-possible-sanctions-for-van-den-driessches-entourage/

 

[thehog]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

 

[Irondan]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

I didn't see anything.

This video shows nothing, can you be more specific?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

You are really reaching on Landa again, this time way more ridiculous than him performing well in a hilly, rainy ITT.

 

[WillemS]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

Now you're really reaching; why would he be using a motor on a slippery wet descent that allows you to reach the maximum safe velocity easily without the aid of motors?

Moreover, if his motor was "stuck" in the on-position, then why did it magically turn off allowing him to brake and come to a halt in the corner? If it were as simple as braking to turn it off, then he would have had no trouble disabling it by braking before the corner instead of nearly missing it.

Did you ever see a rider breathing? Maybe that's indicative of mechanical fraud as well. I don't know how, but I bet you're able to come up with a theory for it.

 

[frenchfry]

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Your link sir

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20101120061357/http://cyclismag.com/article.php?sid=5737

La rumeur Cancellara

Le secret de Fabian Cancellara ? Une dynamo dissimulée dans son pédalier, qui lui permettrait d'avancer plus vite. Le fantasme est d'autant plus drôle qu'il s'est transformé en rumeur au sein du peloton. Un coureur français a rapporté à http://www.cyclismag.com ce "bruit" étonnant. Ceux qui y croient vraiment brandissent comme argument les multiples changements de vélo que Cancellara opère en pleine course. C'est déjà plus original que des soupçons de dopage !

Google translate...

Cancellara Rumor

Le secret of Fabian Cancellara? A dynamo hidden in his pedal, allowing it to move faster. The fantasy is all the more funny it turned into a rumor in the peloton. A French rider reported to http://www.cyclismag.com this amazing "noise". Those who really believe brandish argument as the many changes of bike Cancellara operates at full speed. This is already more original than the doping suspicions!

I think the more appropriate order of words is "brandish as argument the many changes" and "in full race" or "during the race" rather than "at full speed."

And "pédalier" is bottom bracket, not pedal.

 

[thehog]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

I didn't see anything.

This video shows nothing, can you be more specific?

I'm not seeing anything categorical, however watch after the slip the camera dips down then back up again, yes he is on a slight downhill but the bike just takes off and he is slowly freewheeling forward.

(Edit: has the video been removed now?)

 

[jmdirt]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

You have to want there to be moto fraud to see anything in that video.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

I did not get to see the video. Seems it is not there. I will take a look at youtube.

 

[Ironhead Slim]

Obviously he took a few pedal strokes off camera and maybe a push so when the camera picks him up he looks like the bike is moving on it's own.

 

[Zypherov]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

Is this the latest conspiracy theory ?

 

[Irondan]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Landa's bike appeared to have wheels of it on when he corrected his slight crash. The bike just takes off on its own, he's not actually pedalling...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/racing/mikel-landa-manages-stay-upright-despite-sliding-off-road-giro-ditalia-time-trial-video-225556

Did he crash with a stuck motor?

Is this the latest conspiracy theory ?

No, at this point it's not even a theory, it's a unicorn..

 

[thehog]

Re: Moto-fraud: first rider caught

Interesting tweet, have to say I've not looked in to it, wouldn't surprise me if Dawg has the battery stored in his bison (bidon)... (iPhone you know it' yeah?)

 

[jens_attacks]

Let's leave cobo out of this...

 

[nogav1ca]

Not defending Froome, but how does he know Froome hasn't been drinking? Because Froome hasn't been shown all the time for the last, let's say, 10 km.
I agree it's a bit unusual to keep your bidon until the finish, but this seems like one of those attempts from celebrities when they get naked in hope of staying relevant. That's how you lose your credibility.

And one other thing. Does Sky have green bidons or are they from neutral support? I really have no idea about that.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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Let's leave cobo out of this...

My first thought when I saw that typo as well

 

[carolina]

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And one other thing. Does Sky have green bidons or are they from neutral support? I really have no idea about that.

if you zoom this picture you can see sky written on the bottle:
http://media.washtimes.com.s3.amazonaws.com/media/image/2013/07/14/aptopix-cycling-tour-_harr-2.jpg