Really, they lost any credibility years ago.RigelKent said:http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension
And the US has lost any credibility it may have had left.
Really, they lost any credibility years ago.RigelKent said:http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension
And the US has lost any credibility it may have had left.
I think Lance wrote his statment:RigelKent said:http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7608360/ryan-braun-wins-appeal-50-game-suspension
And the US has lost any credibility it may have had left.
Thus "may" have had left. There still may have been a few people who believed the sham.veganrob said:Really, they lost any credibility years ago.
Braun's initial T/E ratio was more than 20:1. Sources previously confirmed synthetic testosterone in his system.
What an idiot Rodgers is. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, just shut up."MLB and cable sports tried to sully the reputation of an innocent man," Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers said on Twitter. "Picked the wrong guy to mess with. Truth will set u free #exonerated."
To put this in cycling terms, Ricco “retires” for half a season following his botched transfusion, then is hired at a bargain rate by Riis, and is allowed to begin riding after a couple of months. Riis, meanwhile, is portrayed in a movie as one of the wisest leaders in sports.Ramirez at first retired rather than face a 100-game suspension for a second positive test. Wanting to return this year, he is serving a 50-game penalty -- the length was shortened because he missed most of last year.
He knows exactly what he's talking about. He's on the same juice. Lance is next, I'm sure.Merckx index said:What an idiot Rodgers is. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, just shut up.
wasn't it just (significantly) elevated testosterone?zigmeister said:Here's the thing, they have never stated publicly or released info as to what exactly he tested positive for? From what we can tell, it wasn't roids, HCG, HGH or anything of the likes. It is rumored to have been possibly connected to a medication/supplement he was taking.
Who knows.
The implication being that the person who took the samples and brought them home with him and into the fridge somehow tampered with Braun's sample. Even though, apparently, the seal wasn't broken. So either Braun dodged a bullet or he was the victim of a terrible, terrible act of sabotage. Bottom line - Brewer's fans shouldn't get too excited just yet as Braun could suffer a baffeling drop off in production this year.EasyRider said:This is such garbage.
Braun is holding a press conference to proclaim his innocence but yet he and his lawyers have never disputed the results of his positive test. The only leg they have to stand on is that the test wasn't sent to the lab within a 24 hour period. As if we are all supposed to forget about the synthetic testosterone in his urine and a 20:1 t/e ratio. The nerve of this guy to stand there shove his "innocence" in baseball fans faces while never addressing the facts that prove his guilt.
The possibility of sabotage lies in all drug tests but I can't help but feel that is a very weak excuse in this situation (or any situation). I could very well be mistaken here, but from everything I have heard the steps this tester took were very common. A lot of sporting events take place on the weekend and later in the day, so when the tester comes around quite often Fedex or any other shipping locations are closed. MLB's player's association has negotiated this 24 hour rule.Pazuzu said:The implication being that the person who took the samples and brought them home with him and into the fridge somehow tampered with Braun's sample. Even though, apparently, the seal wasn't broken. So either Braun dodged a bullet or he was the victim of a terrible, terrible act of sabotage. Bottom line - Brewer's fans shouldn't get too excited just yet as Braun could suffer a baffeling drop off in production this year.
I completely agree with you there.ChrisE said:There is incentive to cover up positives or dismiss positives in sport, as opposed to the opposite. If PED testing in US sports was taken seriously, most of the stars would be busted IMO.
Its not just American. It is human nature to not do things that are detrimental to your well being. Busting sports stars is not good for the marketing of that sport.EasyRider said:I completely agree with you there.
Money>Ethics, American capitalism at its finest
Yes but roiding up athletes is also detrimental to our well being, especially the well being of said athletes. The money home runs brings is more important to MLB than preserving the integrity of the sport and the well being of its athletes.ChrisE said:Its not just American. It is human nature to not do things that are detrimental to your well being. Busting sports stars is not good for the marketing of that sport.
Yes this is true for most sports but the thing that separates baseball (I realize this is the wrong site to have this discussion but while I'm here what the heck) from a lot of other sports is its emphasis on stats and history. I'm not sure any sport places as much importance on the these two factors as baseball. PEDs distort the stats and change the history in such a way that it deteriorates the past, present, and future of the sport.usedtobefast said:at the end of the day sports are entertainment. people want to see the fastest,farthest,hardest athletes perform at the highest level. ethics are mostly window dressing.
Window dressing exactly. When people have suggested a two tier system, with one league allowing unlimited doping, and the other for clean athletes, there is almost universal dismissal of the idea. Forget the problems in actually implementing the clean tier. The real reason why most people are revolted by unlimited, unapologetic doping is that while sports fans want to see the fastest, strongest, most enduring, they also want to maintain the pretense that the athletes are clean. Doping among athletes is like extra-marital affairs among politicians. Everyone knows it’s going on, and most people don’t have a problem with it as long as it’s done discreetly. As long as they don’t have to be reminded that it’s going on. Braun getting busted is a reminder.at the end of the day sports are entertainment. people want to see the fastest,farthest,hardest athletes perform at the highest level. ethics are mostly window dressing.
Even without PEDs, it’s well-recognized that you can’t make historical comparisons. Baseball has gone through several major phases, with records in one phase not comparable to those in another. The era before Ruth is the best example, but there are others. For example, it was a pitcher’s game in the late 60s. One year, Bob Gibson had a record 1.12 ERA, and conversely, only one player in the majors hit .300. Then they lowered the pitching mound, and BA and ERA numbers both began to climb. The wiser people who get to vote for HOF take this into account, so e.g., HOF players from that era can have acceptably lower batting averages than candidates from more recent years.I guess my point is baseball is a numbers game. PEDs distort the numbers and, in my opinion, ruin the game. I do not want to see the fastest, strongest, best athletes medicine can create. I want to see the the best athletes compete with relatively the same advantages and disadvantages every other player has had. If not the history of the game is meaningless, the present soon to become meaningless, and the future irrelevant. Who would want care to invest any time into a sport like that?