Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[SeriousSam]

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Bcos of the TT, Quintana will be in the same position he was last year 2 min down by start of 3rd week. History repeats

And if he'd attacked today it would be 2 mins as well. Or 1:45. Or 2:15 or something. Hardly decisive.

 

[AlexNYC]

Quintana has lost 23 seconds to Froome; that is a stage win and 14 seconds away from the yellow jersey. I'm not sure how so many can be sure he won't win the Tour; if you just look at the remaining stages, the only one that clearly favors Froome is the first ITT.

Today he looked on the limit. He was able to respond to Froome, but no way he was strong enough to drop him; which begs the question, if Quintana thought he wasn't strong enough to drop Froome, why would he spend energy attacking him? That's just insane, especially since he thinks he'll be stronger later on.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Quintana has lost 23 seconds to Froome; that is a stage win and 14 seconds away from the yellow jersey.

A stage win and 18 seconds.

 

[Escarabajo]

AlexNYC,
I agree with you except for the part that maybe he should take the risk of testing Froome's legs. He is not sure that Froome is having a bad day and maybe gain some seconds. That's all. Now my theory is that Quintana was not good so he couldn't do it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

 

[AlexNYC]

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Such a coward. Simply too scared of Froome in the first week. Now he has no idea if he could have dropped Froome today

But come the end we'll be fed the same old same old about how he was the strongest and is the moral winner of the race.

Whoever said last year that he was the moral winner cannot be serious; but there are plenty of reasons to think that he was stronger.

Also, there is a difference between being a coward and knowing your limits. It might have looked like he was being a coward on TV, but he was just being smart.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Such a coward. Simply too scared of Froome in the first week. Now he has no idea if he could have dropped Froome today

But come the end we'll be fed the same old same old about how he was the strongest and is the moral winner of the race.

Whoever said last year that he was the moral winner cannot be serious; but there are plenty of reasons to think that he was stronger.

Also, there is a difference between being a coward and knowing your limits. It might have looked like he was being a coward on TV, but he was just being smart.

If he really was stronger last year, then riding as he did and continues to do certainly wasn't smart because it cost him the win. If riding like this last year was a sign of smartness then it can only be so if he was weaker than Froome. Stronger or "just being smart", it's one or the other, not both.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Such a coward. Simply too scared of Froome in the first week. Now he has no idea if he could have dropped Froome today

But come the end we'll be fed the same old same old about how he was the strongest and is the moral winner of the race.

Whoever said last year that he was the moral winner cannot be serious; but there are plenty of reasons to think that he was stronger.

Also, there is a difference between being a coward and knowing your limits. It might have looked like he was being a coward on TV, but he was just being smart.

Don't respond to BigMac and Miburo. The hate is immense - don't waste your time by replying. Especially BigMac's comments have been nauseating lately.

 

[AlexNYC]

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If he really was stronger last year, then riding as he did and continues to do certainly wasn't smart because it cost him the win. If riding like this last year was a sign of smartness then it can only be so if he was weaker than Froome. Stronger or "just being smart", it's one or the other, not both.

Actually, I don't know if he was stronger, but I do think there is an argument that can be made that he was so:

He lost by 72 s; but he lost nearly 90 s in the echelons stage and had a teammate who didn't blow himself helping him. And the guy who won had a much stronger team who did blow themselves for his sake.

 

[Ataraxus]

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Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

I'm pretty sure you would bash (and have bashed before the Tour) a Contador fanboy for writing a suchlike (style wise) comment in AC thread.
I didn't expect you to write such superlatives for Nairo when you have strongly criticized people for doing that. But in the end the majority here (you included) are fanboys aren't they.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

I'm pretty sure you would bash (and have bashed before the Tour) a Contador fanboy for writing a suchlike (style wise) comment in AC thread.
I didn't expect you to write such superlatives for Nairo when you have strongly criticized people for doing that. But in the end the majority here (you included) are fanboys aren't they.

Its nothing compared to some comments, but if I was having a bad day, Quintana lost time, LF and Miburo driving the hype train with 200 km/ph, you damn sure I woulda.

Lets see if he has it. Im obviously of the belief he has on Ventoux, a climb Nairo loves and wants to win on.

 

[Arredondo]

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Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

I think he will drop Froome on Ventoux too.

But how much will he lose in the two ITT's? That's the most important thing for Nairo in terms of how agressive he has to race in the Alps.

 

[Red Rick]

Froome doesn't look very dominant either. Still think Quintana will run away with it in the Alps.

I do think that the competition outside the usual favourites has stepped up.

 

[burning]

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Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

A quick search in your posts reveals that you seem to not acknowledge the superb tactical awareness of Gerrans. I am wondering why you dislike Gerrans as he won plenty of big races with superb tactical nous unlike Quintana?

 

[Escarabajo]

I think the difference is down to 1 TT. In the other one they could be even.

 

[AlexNYC]

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I think the difference is down to 1 TT. In the other one they could be even.

That's a bit pessimistic I'm hoping Nairo will take time in the second ITT. He should be the favorite to win it now that Contador is not in the race.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

A quick search in your posts reveals that you seem to not acknowledge the superb tactical awareness of Gerrans. I am wondering why you dislike Gerrans as he won plenty of big races with superb tactical nous unlike Quintana?

Cause I am biased as hell and love Quintana. Just like all other fanboys, our criticism isn't consistent at all. It depends on the agenda. Isn't it obvious?

 

[Flamin]

Quintana is a conservative bike rider, that's nothing new, but I don't get why some people are pretending today was some kind of missed opportunity to take time on Froome.

Froome did a fiercesome attack that put everybody on the limit and then had some fun shutting down every single attack from guys who are hardly a threat. I think that's quite a lot of material for Nairito in order to make a pretty good judgement about Froome's strength. His conclusion was that he did not have the legs to drop Froome today. (yes, Contador would still have attacked regardless, but not everybody can be Contador)

I'd give him smack if he didn't test Froome, but Froome showed he had some strong cards in his hands, so I give Nairito the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

[BigMac]

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Such a coward. Simply too scared of Froome in the first week. Now he has no idea if he could have dropped Froome today

But come the end we'll be fed the same old same old about how he was the strongest and is the moral winner of the race.

Whoever said last year that he was the moral winner cannot be serious; but there are plenty of reasons to think that he was stronger.

Also, there is a difference between being a coward and knowing your limits. It might have looked like he was being a coward on TV, but he was just being smart.

Don't respond to BigMac and Miburo. The hate is immense - don't waste your time by replying. Especially BigMac's comments have been nauseating lately.

My hate, or whatever you wanna call it (there are a handful of people I hate, a big lol if you think a cyclist is one of them), is counterbalanced by your fanboyism. It'd be nice if you could expand on why my comments have been nauseating, without mentioning my posts on Quintana, which are not that frequent anyway, if you could.

I'll be waiting.

 

[sir fly]

Re: Re:

Superbly tactical awareness by Quintana, recognising Arcalis isn't a climb to put in a proper attack and waiting for Ventoux to kill Christopher. Not much else to say, the guy is a killer - doesn't care about what people think, doesn't care about anyone but Froome.

Meanwhile, Froome seems to be desperate and attacking left and right, but doesn't seem to have it.

A quick search in your posts reveals that you seem to not acknowledge the superb tactical awareness of Gerrans. I am wondering why you dislike Gerrans as he won plenty of big races with superb tactical nous unlike Quintana?

Cause I am biased as hell and love Quintana. Just like all other fanboys, our criticism isn't consistent at all. It depends on the agenda. Isn't it obvious?

Welcome back.

 

[Escarabajo]

Good point Flamin.

As SeriouSam pointed out if he didn't have the strength so a weak attack could have put Quintana in a terrible situation. Maybe 30 more seconds or more and it could have been game over with any time loss on the TT. So he needs to give himself an opportunity.

 

[hrotha]

He showed no trouble whatsoever following Froome's accelerations. He looked mighty fine.

 

[Valv.Piti]

BigMac: I don't really want to expand since it clogs up a lot of space - especially not when one of yours points was he lost in '13 due to waiting for the Alps which is pretty lol. He pretty much did the exact opposite, but whatever fits your agenda. He missed the ball in 2015 when the didn't a) attacked on Croix de Fer or b) attacks earlier on La Touissuire.

So far, he couldn't have written a better manuscript. He knows what his win conditions are and doesn't ride to please you, nor me, nor anyone else. The first mountain chain is Froome's territory and here, he hasn't managed to gap Quintana significantly, only on the downhill. Now, onto Ventoux and the Alps, there are A LOT of terrain left to show who boss is if he indeed is stronger which I obviously don't have to say I believe he is. Its gonna be interesting.

 

[Jelantik]

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Quintana is a conservative bike rider, that's nothing new, but I don't get why some people are pretending today was some kind of missed opportunity to take time on Froome.

Froome did a fiercesome attack that put everybody on the limit and then had some fun shutting down every single attack from guys who are hardly a threat. I think that's quite a lot of material for Nairito in order to make a pretty good judgement about Froome's strength. His conclusion was that he did not have the legs to drop Froome today. (yes, Contador would still have attacked regardless, but not everybody can be Contador)

I'd give him smack if he didn't test Froome, but Froome showed he had some strong cards in his hands, so I give Nairito the benefit of the doubt for now.

Quintana is waiting to attack Froome on week 4. You watch. While everyone is already holidays on the beach, he will be somewhere in the Alps still looking to drop Froome. :lol: :lol:

 

[sir fly]

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Quintana is a conservative bike rider, that's nothing new, but I don't get why some people are pretending today was some kind of missed opportunity to take time on Froome.

Froome did a fiercesome attack that put everybody on the limit and then had some fun shutting down every single attack from guys who are hardly a threat. I think that's quite a lot of material for Nairito in order to make a pretty good judgement about Froome's strength. His conclusion was that he did not have the legs to drop Froome today. (yes, Contador would still have attacked regardless, but not everybody can be Contador)

I'd give him smack if he didn't test Froome, but Froome showed he had some strong cards in his hands, so I give Nairito the benefit of the doubt for now.

Quintana is waiting to attack Froome on week 4. You watch. While everyone is already holidays on the beach, he will be somewhere in the Alps still looking to drop Froome. :lol: :lol:

Well, if Froome's going to be there, I'd like to watch.