Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[PremierAndrew]

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Well Quintana said in an interview today that he was close to abandoning today because he felt so bad

Felt so bad that he moved up on to the podium

 

[Escarabajo]

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i think he would do better if he did giro/vuelta next season,he would be overwhelming favourite for both,got some confidence and experience riding 3 week tours because him not even knowing whats wrong with his body is a major questionmark

This is the 7th GT that he is riding, how many more do you think he needs?

as many as he needs to get his preparation and fitness through the GT to a level when nothing can surprise him,the problem is not that he is sick or whatever but the fact he doesnt even know why is confusing

is he alergic? how come he never had those problems before - he clearly doesnt know his body enough to perform just right for 3 weeks in july

He has had problems with allergies in the past.

His poor initial performance on Pais Vasco this year was more due to allergies. Every year in the Spring he has had issues in at least one race. The thing is that come summer it should be gone. But here it is. Not sure how that works exactly.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Well Quintana said in an interview today that he was close to abandoning today because he felt so bad

Felt so bad that he moved up on to the podium :lol:

I really hope it took him til the last km to realise he had the legs today, because otherwise, he's afraid to attack, and Valverde and Unzue have really ruined his racing instincts

 

[aarononymous]

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Well Quintana said in an interview today that he was close to abandoning today because he felt so bad

Felt so bad that he moved up on to the podium :lol:

I really hope it took him til the last km to realise he had the legs today, because otherwise, he's afraid to attack, and Valverde and Unzue have really ruined his racing instincts

I don't think he really had the legs though, he just instinctively responded to the attacks he though threatened his position. I know that doesn't really sound encouraging but he was basically hanging on and suffering it's just that his base level is so high he's still there. He attacked plenty last year, don't think he thought his chances would improve by this approach.

 

[Taxus4a]

It is amazing to heard Quintana saying it is a miracle he finished the stage becouse he was thinking to left the race...and he is 3rd overall...with the help of some crashesm but stronger than lot of people as Yates and even Aru, who didnt have problems.

That way I cant hope anything for him for tomorrow, but...

 

[Taxus4a]

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Well Quintana said in an interview today that he was close to abandoning today because he felt so bad

Felt so bad that he moved up on to the podium :lol:

I really hope it took him til the last km to realise he had the legs today, because otherwise, he's afraid to attack, and Valverde and Unzue have really ruined his racing instincts

I don't think he really had the legs though, he just instinctively responded to the attacks he though threatened his position. I know that doesn't really sound encouraging but he was basically hanging on and suffering it's just that his base level is so high he's still there. He attacked plenty last year, don't think he thought his chances would improve by this approach.

Of course if Quintana is Ok toay he put 2 minutes to everybody except Froome and maybe Bardet.

 

[Taxus4a]

His most amazing sentence today was:

El jefe de filas del Movistar aseguró que las sensaciones que tiene son tan malas que no siente ni cansancio

My feelings are so bad that I cant even feel tired.... :O

 

[StryderHells]

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Usually mono starts more aggressive, not that mild like in this case.

It can creep up on you, I'm still recovering from Mono and it didn't hit me hard straight away but took a little while before I felt the full effects, doctors told me it's not that uncommon for it to be this way.

 

[Tonton]

I suffer from many allergies, btw I can't remember my nose ever being free. July in the Alps? Been there. Not allergies. He's off, that's all. He's wondering what's going wrong. Trust me, it's not allergies at this time of the year in the Alps. Been there. No pollen.

Unless it's a reaction to a (or multiple) horse-fly (taon) bite, which I have experienced. Your throat closes, hard breathing, bad and two days (at least - fever - chills) to recover. Except that in a GT, you don't have two days to recover.

Not an excuse, but something in the realm of possibility. Taons can mess you up. But it's nothing new. Riders in other years have faced it. The plot thickens...

Betting on Froome to be weak week 3 is great if you can guarantee that you'll be better. Not the case. Had Nairo been a dom for Valverde, Don Alejandro would be Froome's nightmare or at least fighting for second.

Bad Nairo. First time that we see him not delivering. Was there some crap around in Romandie that both he and Tibopino vanished? Yes, Quintana vanished. Dropped. That's not him. He's the best climber in the World: what happened?

 

[Jspear]

I suffer from many allergies, btw I can't remember my nose ever being free. July in the Alps? Been there. Not allergies. He's off, that's all. He's wondering what's going wrong. Trust me, it's not allergies at this time of the year in the Alps. Been there. No pollen.

Unless it's a reaction to a (or multiple) horse-fly (taon) bite, which I have experienced. Your throat closes, hard breathing, bad and two days (at least - fever - chills) to recover. Except that in a GT, you don't have two days to recover.

Not an excuse, but something in the realm of possibility. Taons can mess you up. But it's nothing new. Riders in other years have faced it. The plot thickens...

Betting on Froome to be weak week 3 is great if you can guarantee that you'll be better. Not the case. Had Nairo been a dom for Valverde, Don Alejandro would be Froome's nightmare or at least fighting for second.

Bad Nairo. First time that we see him not delivering. Was there some crap around in Romandie that both he and Tibopino vanished? Yes, Quintana vanished. Dropped. That's not him. He's the best climber in the World: what happened?

We might know more once the Tour is over. If there's something they can actual pinpoint as the problem, they won't do it until it's over. Also I don't think Valverde would be Froome's biggest problem with the Giro in his legs - even with the whole team behind him.

 

[dacooley]

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A shame, if he was somewhere near his normal level this stage would have been an easy stage win.

Easy? Since when Quintana is considered so much superior climber that he's able to take 'easy wins' against other top climbers?

 

[movingtarget]

I suffer from many allergies, btw I can't remember my nose ever being free. July in the Alps? Been there. Not allergies. He's off, that's all. He's wondering what's going wrong. Trust me, it's not allergies at this time of the year in the Alps. Been there. No pollen.

Unless it's a reaction to a (or multiple) horse-fly (taon) bite, which I have experienced. Your throat closes, hard breathing, bad and two days (at least - fever - chills) to recover. Except that in a GT, you don't have two days to recover.

Not an excuse, but something in the realm of possibility. Taons can mess you up. But it's nothing new. Riders in other years have faced it. The plot thickens...

Betting on Froome to be weak week 3 is great if you can guarantee that you'll be better. Not the case. Had Nairo been a dom for Valverde, Don Alejandro would be Froome's nightmare or at least fighting for second.

Bad Nairo. First time that we see him not delivering. Was there some crap around in Romandie that both he and Tibopino vanished? Yes, Quintana vanished. Dropped. That's not him. He's the best climber in the World: what happened?

I am sure he wouldn't be the only one with such problems. Look how many of them have asthma. I remember Contador used to have issues also and at one stage had an operation. I have had three operations over about 20 years and it only gives temporary relief. I just keep getting sinus infections and nothing much gives me relief. But of course when elite athletes are not 98% or 100 percent fit that is all it takes for their performance to slip against riders with similar talent. He looked very tired when he hit the line and is obviously suffering.

 

[Galic Ho]

I suffer from many allergies, btw I can't remember my nose ever being free. July in the Alps? Been there. Not allergies. He's off, that's all. He's wondering what's going wrong. Trust me, it's not allergies at this time of the year in the Alps. Been there. No pollen.

Unless it's a reaction to a (or multiple) horse-fly (taon) bite, which I have experienced. Your throat closes, hard breathing, bad and two days (at least - fever - chills) to recover. Except that in a GT, you don't have two days to recover.

Not an excuse, but something in the realm of possibility. Taons can mess you up. But it's nothing new. Riders in other years have faced it. The plot thickens...

Betting on Froome to be weak week 3 is great if you can guarantee that you'll be better. Not the case. Had Nairo been a dom for Valverde, Don Alejandro would be Froome's nightmare or at least fighting for second.

Bad Nairo. First time that we see him not delivering. Was there some crap around in Romandie that both he and Tibopino vanished? Yes, Quintana vanished. Dropped. That's not him. He's the best climber in the World: what happened?

I don't know what seasonal allergies are like in France, but over here in Australia, it's always a similar pattern.

If the weather is dry, it's a mixture. You could sneeze a lot and still breath or sneeze very little but your lung capacity drops. When that happens you would drop minutes on a bike. You'd quit the race. Why? Your normal capacity is 100% of a bottle (imagine it as your lungs) and then suddenly your ceiling drops...mine has gone to what felt like 50%, but even 80% is bad. Some years you can be good and not so fit but have no worries. Another year you can be your fittest and it hits you hard. Try training in that scenario...you cannot do it.

Quintana is lying his pants of. No way is it 'allergies.' He simply did not prepare properly.

When it rains here, allergies get worse! The rain releases pollen and it gets everywhere! Quintana was claiming he'd get better because it would help his allergies! SO the allergy lie is just that, a convenient excuse that displayed outward lack of knowledge of how allergies impact a persons body. He got the order the wrong way around.

Nairo's English translations are littered with excuses. Take Chaves as an example in the Giro. There is nothing wrong with saying you don't have the legs and someone was better. Can't remember Quintana saying that. I don't care so much about him sucking wheels the entire Tour, it's his words I read combined with his lack of impetus and desire to attack that's left me here thinking Movistar should have ridden for Valverde!

Try an attack for Valverde today and maybe get a stage win...because this third, was undeserved IMO. Valverde has done spells at the front GC riders...Nairo didn't even try and gap anyone. He tried on Ventoux and then gave up. Every move, has been to stop someone taking time on him rather than an attempt to take time on them. Try, blow up and fail! At least then one would have done something...I have to agree, Valverde would have probably come second with some panache had he been given the chance.

It seems to me, aside from cheating in the Giro and Valverde holding his hand, Quintana has had 2 strong days in GT's where he showed he could win a GT and get time on rivals. They always were in the last 2 days.

Unfortunately Nairo Quintana has quickly lost the appeal he had. I cut him slack after the 2014 Giro, but this attitude he's displayed is bad. Pinot was off this year! Yet he tried!! It's such shame that Movistar have been left doing nothing because their leader is out of form, lying about it and lacks the desire to make a move and possibly explode. What's he going to do when Valverde retires? Who will shepherd him in races then?

Am I the only person who suspects Quintana is just a child in need of direction and lacking a desire to actually race and win? It's almost like blatant favouritism was given to the one Movistar child and now he's a spoiled little boy who needs his big brother to fight his battles. Oh well...thanks for wasting a GT Movistar on Quintana.

So how to remedy this?

Tell your spoiled brat to race in Europe and stop running off to Columbia to hide. Extra races against Froome won't hurt. Yes you'd have to race and possibly get beaten. Whatever they've allowed him to do on his own, has not worked. He needs extra races against proper rivals. It's that simple. He's under prepared by racing fewer races and AGAINST rivals not at a level to force him to push hard. So when crunch time happens, he's not at a strong enough level. It's that simple...and Movistar are making excuses. Just come out, admit the truth and deal with the spoiled child. You'll fix the problem instantly. Let him have a cry if needed, but somebody spank the boy and let racing commence...please!!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the allergy thing is mostly bs imo. we are in late july and pretty much everything is done, even the grasses who are quite mild anyway. I think he has something else, perhaps pfeiffer

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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PR *******t, shameless cheating, ridiculous attitude.
And some of you dare call him the next big thing.
Pathetic showing.

the guy is obviously sick. my god get a hold of yourself

 

[Galic Ho]

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but the guy has to attack to drop Bardet or is he hoping that Bardet will crack by himself and he can safely suck wheels to 2nd place.

I hate to say this but Bardet will most likely concede seconds to Quintana to lose second.

I wish Quintana attacked tomorrow and earn the second place. Wishful thinking.

Having said that finishing second at the Tour with the poor form that he had is a testament to the low quality of contenders to Froome today other than Quintana and Contador. This proves that ATM Froome can only be challenged by Quintana. Movistar and Quintana need to reorganize and prepare much better.

This post lacks complete and sound reasoning!

Quintana has proven, he had no capacity this year to challenge Froome.

At what point has Movistar actually forced an effort to dislodge Froome and Sky? When has such an effort worked?

I won't hold my breath and I am a Movistar and Valverde fan!!

It's called being a fanboy. Columbian right?

Back the humble, honest and decent Columbian, not the over hyped rider. Chaves could use some support. Oh and he smiles...he's a happy person. Quintana looks miserable 99% of the time.

By all means cheer for the man, but don't delude everyone here. Quite a few riders from Movistar were absent from the Tour list. It's almost like they knew Quintana wouldn't have it this year...

I hope you remember Froome's first attack in this race and stage win! Nairo Quintana, is in third. He has not won anything this race, but lost, more than any other rider. The others are proving to themselves that if they have form and attack, they can do something. Low quality rivals? Quintana's rivals have made moves though and not thrown their hands up when Valverde wasn't there to chase Froome down for him!!

Take the blinkers off and see it for what it is...it's entitlement, the overwhelming sense that one deserves something simply because they've been anointed by other parties as the heir apparent.

Andy Schleck use to be abused on this forum. At least he attacked, often not beating Contador, but he still beat the rest. Quintana cannot even do that right now. And I have to watch Valverde pull his butt around France...it's insulting to racing fans. Best climber in the world - not by a long shot. Never has been, nor will be, unless some coming back to a grounded and balanced centre occurs. Being honest that he doesn't have it would be a nice step towards rectifying his attitude and issues...

But you wouldn't understand...Best rival ATM!!

Sky are quivering with fear at that proposal!!

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

your entire post became obsolete as soon as you said columbia

 

[Galic Ho]

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the allergy thing is mostly bs imo. we are in late july and pretty much everything is done, even the grasses who are quite mild anyway. I think he has something else, perhaps pfeiffer

It's most likely the most obvious answer...his prepartion was wrong.

He lacked racing kilometres at a high pace. Motor pacing or whatever he does in Columbia might win you the Route de Sud, but it doesn't get you in a position to attack Chris Froome and team Sky.

Racing with your own team and trying strategies at race pace however does get you mentally and physically ready. Movistar haven't prepped him properly, and yes, like the gifted but lazy child, he needs to be made to do the work.

Looking for an 'illness' is just excuse making. It doesn't address real issues. Sky are well prepped as a team. BMC have committed the same offense Movistar have...half arsing their team prep. I blame the team managers, not the riders. But Quintana should know by now, running to another continent mid season is just not going to work.

Go to Tenerife, stalk Sky and Froome and get in their heads...because right now, Sky and Froome have Movistar and Quintana's number. They're no real threat at all. They actually had momentum last year! A stage 2 mishap aside, Quintana was stronger than Froome.

This year, not once has Quintana beaten Froome 1 on 1. Not once. They've gone backwards...

Sky are simply a better prepared and managed team. Gotta keep momentum. Quintana has had how many crashes? How many punctures? Exactly...he lost time because of conditioning, not race incidents.

Movistar stuffed this one up right and proper.

Backing Valverde with everything today might not work, but at least it will look good. Oh, but racing for that third with zero panache is so worthy!! Boring...

 

[Escarabajo]

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but the guy has to attack to drop Bardet or is he hoping that Bardet will crack by himself and he can safely suck wheels to 2nd place.

I hate to say this but Bardet will most likely concede seconds to Quintana to lose second.

I wish Quintana attacked tomorrow and earn the second place. Wishful thinking.

Having said that finishing second at the Tour with the poor form that he had is a testament to the low quality of contenders to Froome today other than Quintana and Contador. This proves that ATM Froome can only be challenged by Quintana. Movistar and Quintana need to reorganize and prepare much better.

This post lacks complete and sound reasoning!

1- Quintana has proven, he had no capacity this year to challenge Froome.

2-At what point has Movistar actually forced an effort to dislodge Froome and Sky? When has such an effort worked?

I won't hold my breath and I am a Movistar and Valverde fan!!

3- It's called being a fanboy. Columbian right?

Back the humble, honest and decent Columbian, not the over hyped rider. Chaves could use some support. Oh and he smiles...he's a happy person. Quintana looks miserable 99% of the time.

By all means cheer for the man, but don't delude everyone here. Quite a few riders from Movistar were absent from the Tour list. It's almost like they knew Quintana wouldn't have it this year...

I hope you remember Froome's first attack in this race and stage win! Nairo Quintana, is in third. He has not won anything this race, but lost, more than any other rider. The others are proving to themselves that if they have form and attack, they can do something. Low quality rivals? Quintana's rivals have made moves though and not thrown their hands up when Valverde wasn't there to chase Froome down for him!!

Take the blinkers off and see it for what it is...it's entitlement, the overwhelming sense that one deserves something simply because they've been anointed by other parties as the heir apparent.

Andy Schleck use to be abused on this forum. At least he attacked, often not beating Contador, but he still beat the rest. Quintana cannot even do that right now. And I have to watch Valverde pull his butt around France...it's insulting to racing fans. Best climber in the world - not by a long shot. Never has been, nor will be, unless some coming back to a grounded and balanced centre occurs. Being honest that he doesn't have it would be a nice step towards rectifying his attitude and issues...

4- Sky are quivering with fear at that proposal!!

Did you read what I wrote?
But you wouldn't understand...Best rival ATM!!

Your answers are different to what I said TBH.

Your points #1, #2 are right. It doesn't negate what I said.

#3. Yes I am Colombian fan. Not boy. And very proud. What is your problem. Have some respect please. Thanks.

#4. If he is 3rd or 2nd with this form it only proves that he is the best rival fro Froome when in form!!!! Not now. I thought it was obvious. Get a grip.

 

[Galic Ho]

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your entire post became obsolete as soon as you said columbia

It's not Colombia in Australia or in English.

English owned website. English forum. And Quintana's number one fanboy who can't deal with reality. Cry us all a river and give an actual argument rather than deflect over language. If English is not your native tongue, perhaps the Spanish forums back in 'Colombia' might help you?

Your boy is the biggest let down of this race.

Chaves...look at his demeanor. Loses but is still likeable. Quintana? AS over hyped as the American hope. And to win a GT, your boy has to cheat. How's the bike holding going?

"The bike hit me on my right hand side."

No Nairo, if it did, why then were you on the right hand side of the motorbike holding onto a wheel which is located on the right hand side of the bike? The left hand side of the bike would have been the side that brushed you...

Nairo's logic like his fans is lacking. He's been lying and quite funny for some time now.

And if he keeps this up, he'll be earning the monicker 'bottle.' Which for someone lauded as the 'best climber' in the world, is a shame. Movistar had the runs on the board last year to actually match Sky and hurt them...maybe tonight they will do something. I won't hold my breath...you know, allergies don't let one do that right?

He's going to be exposed the moment Valverde is not there to help him...this will be funny for many.

I'd have ejected Nairo 'cheater' Quintana just like Nibali was in the Vuelta. It's about time he gets a ban...then Movistar would actually do something.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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the allergy thing is mostly bs imo. we are in late july and pretty much everything is done, even the grasses who are quite mild anyway. I think he has something else, perhaps pfeiffer

It's most likely the most obvious answer...his prepartion was wrong.

He lacked racing kilometres at a high pace. Motor pacing or whatever he does in Columbia might win you the Route de Sud, but it doesn't get you in a position to attack Chris Froome and team Sky.

Racing with your own team and trying strategies at race pace however does get you mentally and physically ready. Movistar haven't prepped him properly, and yes, like the gifted but lazy child, he needs to be made to do the work.

Looking for an 'illness' is just excuse making. It doesn't address real issues. Sky are well prepped as a team. BMC have committed the same offense Movistar have...half arsing their team prep. I blame the team managers, not the riders. But Quintana should know by now, running to another continent mid season is just not going to work.

Go to Tenerife, stalk Sky and Froome and get in their heads...because right now, Sky and Froome have Movistar and Quintana's number. They're no real threat at all. They actually had momentum last year! A stage 2 mishap aside, Quintana was stronger than Froome.

This year, not once has Quintana beaten Froome 1 on 1. Not once. They've gone backwards...

Sky are simply a better prepared and managed team. Gotta keep momentum. Quintana has had how many crashes? How many punctures? Exactly...he lost time because of conditioning, not race incidents.

Movistar stuffed this one up right and proper.

Backing Valverde with everything today might not work, but at least it will look good. Oh, but racing for that third with zero panache is so worthy!! Boring...

wow, literally everything in this post is untrue. good job! quintana has had his best season ever so far. froome has not beaten quintana in any race until the tour, here I switched that one right around to show you how dumb that argument is.

don't come with the he needs to prepare in europe bs, when he has always done this kind of preparation and it has always been perfect. quintana definitely has something wrong, mono perhaps, just not allergies

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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your entire post became obsolete as soon as you said columbia

It's not Colombia in Australia or in English.

English owned website. English forum. And Quintana's number one fanboy who can't deal with reality. Cry us all a river and give an actual argument rather than deflect over language. If English is not your native tongue, perhaps the Spanish forums back in 'Colombia' might help you?

Your boy is the biggest let down of this race.

Chaves...look at his demeanor. Loses but is still likeable. Quintana? AS over hyped as the American hope. And to win a GT, your boy has to cheat. How's the bike holding going?

"The bike hit me on my right hand side."

No Nairo, if it did, why then were you on the right hand side of the motorbike holding onto a wheel which is located on the right hand side of the bike? The left hand side of the bike would have been the side that brushed you...

Nairo's logic like his fans is lacking. He's been lying and quite funny for some time now.

And if he keeps this up, he'll be earning the monicker 'bottle.' Which for someone lauded as the 'best climber' in the world, is a shame. Movistar had the runs on the board last year to actually match Sky and hurt them...maybe tonight they will do something. I won't hold my breath...you know, allergies don't let one do that right?

He's going to be exposed the moment Valverde is not there to help him...this will be funny for many.

I'd have ejected Nairo 'cheater' Quintana just like Nibali was in the Vuelta. It's about time he gets a ban...then Movistar would actually do something.

yes it is

 

[Valv.Piti]

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A shame, if he was somewhere near his normal level this stage would have been an easy stage win.

Easy? Since when Quintana is considered so much superior climber that he's able to take 'easy wins' against other top climbers?

Considering Froome crashed, Porte was on a off day and Rodriguez and Valverde of all people were the best climbers yesterday, I think its fair to assume he would have won the stage yesterday had he been good. Problem is he is baaaaad.

 

[hrotha]

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It's not Colombia in Australia or in English

It is.

Colombia = South American country; comes from Columbus via his real name (Colombo) and/or his Spanish name (Colón).
Columbia = American district; comes from Columbus via his Latinized name (Columbus).

Both are pronounced the same in English, but they are separate words. Check any English dictionary, really.

 

[Gigs_98]

Hasn't ridden enough hard races this year? Hasn't beaten froome this year? What the hell are you writing Galic Ho?