Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Pantani_lives]

After yesterday I was rather pessimistic. Today however he managed to turn things upside down! I would have preferred to see Contador win the stage. Quintana is the strong favorite now for the overall victory, but out of superstition I wouldn't start celebrating just yet.

 

[DBotero]

Not a fan of him but he certainly delivered this Vuelta every time it mattered.Insanely strong today again and very close to add La Vuelta on his palmares.Very smart rider and pretty aggressive despite that some folks can't acknowledge it.Doing pointless attacks for the camera is surely not his thing.

 

[Escarabajo]

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First the motorbikes gave him a giro and now Contador gave him a vuelta

Good alliance with Contador.

Come on Miburo, give the little guy some credit.

I was joking of course, he deserves this vuelta, he's the best and rode like a champ.

Good now?

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[jsem94]

Fantastic performance today. I can't see him losing this now barring a crash.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Chapeau. Earned a lot of respect for him today. He seriously owes Contador a pint

 

[Matteo.]

I wonder what Valv.Piti has done during the stage....where is he?!

 

[Brullnux]

I take back what I said about him being too negative and conservative. Today he proved me very wrong, and I'm happy that he did. Well done to him for a well-deserved Vuelta win (barring accidents).

Interesting though isn't it, how Quintana when he's agressive wins GTs, but when he's conservative doesn't. Hopefully he'll race like this in the Tour too now.

 

[hrotha]

I don't take it back: he's too negative and conservative.

There's simply no way he or anyone else couldn't take responsibility at some point when the perfect race situation was gifted to him. What was he going to do at Formigal, follow wheels while his biggest rivals were all behind? Come on. He did very well today, he had to be very attentive and have the legs to make the cut, but that's it.

 

[Rollthedice]

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I take back what I said about him being too negative and conservative. Today he proved me very wrong, and I'm happy that he did. Well done to him for a well-deserved Vuelta win (barring accidents).

Interesting though isn't it, how Quintana when he's agressive wins GTs, but when he's conservative doesn't. Hopefully he'll race like this in the Tour too now.

When Valverde will retire or will not start with him, I think, his influence is way too important for everything Movistar.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I wonder what Valv.Piti has done during the stage....where is he?!

Banned for another couple of days :Neutral:

 

[Brullnux]

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I don't take it back: he's too negative and conservative.

There's simply no way he or anyone else couldn't take responsibility at some point when the perfect race situation was gifted to him. What was he going to do at Formigal, follow wheels while his biggest rivals were all behind? Come on. He did very well today, he had to be very attentive and have the legs to make the cut, but that's it.

He is still overall too negative and conservative, but he has shown in this Vuelta a more entertaining side, or at least a less tactically inept side.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I don't take it back: he's too negative and conservative.

There's simply no way he or anyone else couldn't take responsibility at some point when the perfect race situation was gifted to him. What was he going to do at Formigal, follow wheels while his biggest rivals were all behind? Come on. He did very well today, he had to be very attentive and have the legs to make the cut, but that's it.

I'm just going to point out that he didn't initiate the move, and Movistar didn't do any work until they had a clear gap. From there, ofc they did very well, but today is not proof that Quintana isn't too conservative.

But anyway, like I said previously, credit where it's due, he has won this Vuelta today with a legendary ride

 

[SeriousSam]

There continues to be scant evidence Quintana is too conservative wrt his and his team's objectives

 

[thehook]

Nairo man did exactly what he needed to do the past 2 stages.
Chapeau

 

[orangerider]

Pretty clear what happened to stoneface this year - his pre-Tour training was just a joke, while the Tour itself was his actual training. Not the way it was planned, but it's how it panned out. Hopefully he'll learn from this by training in Europe next year and enter real races to test against his competition rather than go beat up lesser riders and claim victory.

 

[movingtarget]

Great ambush by Contador and Quintana and here I was thinking it was going to be a dull stage !

 

[DFA123]

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There continues to be scant evidence Quintana is too conservative wrt his and his team's objectives

Indeed. He's one of the most attacking riders amongst GC contenders; just not suicidal in his race ambitions. This is the second time he has attacked nearly from the gun in the last three months.

He's a 26 year old who is on course to win his second GT. Most likely would have been three if he hadn't crashed out in 2014 Vuelta when in red. And he probably would have won a couple of Tours de France by now if it weren't for the incredible dominance of Froome and Sky. I struggle to see how being less conservative could have given him a better results up to now.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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I don't take it back: he's too negative and conservative.

There's simply no way he or anyone else couldn't take responsibility at some point when the perfect race situation was gifted to him. What was he going to do at Formigal, follow wheels while his biggest rivals were all behind? Come on. He did very well today, he had to be very attentive and have the legs to make the cut, but that's it.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

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There continues to be scant evidence Quintana is too conservative wrt his and his team's objectives

weren't you the guy who claimed quintana could never drop contador?

 

[Pantani_lives]

Yesterday wasn't even his strongest day in this Vuelta. Lagos de Covadonga was his best performance, but yesterday gave him the extra time he needed before the time trial, mainly by strong team tactics and a collaboration with Tinkoff.

In the Tour something like this was impossible, because Rowe, Stannard and Thomas would have brought the group back in the flat sections. Quintana is also in a better shape. It looks very good for him now.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Pretty clear what happened to stoneface this year - his pre-Tour training was just a joke, while the Tour itself was his actual training. Not the way it was planned, but it's how it panned out. Hopefully he'll learn from this by training in Europe next year and enter real races to test against his competition rather than go beat up lesser riders and claim victory.

I am not sure about this. He has done similar to previous years and done better. In fact he had a successful spring campaign which helped on his preparation. If his preparation was his problem he must have done something different while riding in Colombia.

 

[veji11]

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There continues to be scant evidence Quintana is too conservative wrt his and his team's objectives

Indeed. He's one of the most attacking riders amongst GC contenders; just not suicidal in his race ambitions. This is the second time he has attacked nearly from the gun in the last three months.

He's a 26 year old who is on course to win his second GT. Most likely would have been three if he hadn't crashed out in 2014 Vuelta when in red. And he probably would have won a couple of Tours de France by now if it weren't for the incredible dominance of Froome and Sky. I struggle to see how being less conservative could have given him a better results up to now.

No he settled for 2nd in 2015... all other accusations of being too conservative are excessive, this year or in 2013 you can't accuse him of that, he did what he could with the legs he had. In 2015 he didn't try to wrestle the race away from Froome while he had several chances...

 

[Amaru]

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No he settled for 2nd in 2015... all other accusations of being too conservative are excessive, this year or in 2013 you can't accuse him of that, he did what he could with the legs he had. In 2015 he didn't try to wrestle the race away from Froome while he had several chances...

I don't think he settled, I really believe he wanted to attack more but couldn't due to team directives not to go too hard because to wanted to keep Valverde on the podium.
I thought Quintana hinted as much recently but i can't find the link, if somebody remembers it ...

 

[Mr.White]

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No he settled for 2nd in 2015... all other accusations of being too conservative are excessive, this year or in 2013 you can't accuse him of that, he did what he could with the legs he had. In 2015 he didn't try to wrestle the race away from Froome while he had several chances...

I don't think he settled, I really believe he wanted to attack more but couldn't due to team directives not to go too hard because to wanted to keep Valverde on the podium.
I thought Quintana hinted as much recently but i can't find the link, if somebody remembers it ...

Yeah, I remember. It's in a dreamworld :lol:

 

[Amaru]

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No he settled for 2nd in 2015... all other accusations of being too conservative are excessive, this year or in 2013 you can't accuse him of that, he did what he could with the legs he had. In 2015 he didn't try to wrestle the race away from Froome while he had several chances...

I don't think he settled, I really believe he wanted to attack more but couldn't due to team directives not to go too hard because to wanted to keep Valverde on the podium.
I thought Quintana hinted as much recently but i can't find the link, if somebody remembers it ...

Yeah, I remember. It's in a dreamworld :lol:

I could definitively be mistaken, I could've swear I read something about that but I just can't find it.