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portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
I remember when Valverde was in the break of the last mountain stage of the 2016 Vuelta, Sky kept sending riders up the rode while the Movistar guys in the peloton were panicking. Valverde dropped back, yelled at his team for 30 seconds, and peace was restored.Koronin said:portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
To a point. The difference being you've got the stability of Valverde on this Movistar team. Which I'm convinced is why he's going. To keep the rest of the team together when Landa and Quintana end up in a war with each other.
Red Rick said:I remember when Valverde was in the break of the last mountain stage of the 2016 Vuelta, Sky kept sending riders up the rode while the Movistar guys in the peloton were panicking. Valverde dropped back, yelled at his team for 30 seconds, and peace was restored.Koronin said:portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
To a point. The difference being you've got the stability of Valverde on this Movistar team. Which I'm convinced is why he's going. To keep the rest of the team together when Landa and Quintana end up in a war with each other.
there will be no war between landa and quintana because unzue knows how to obtain what he want : Valverde with the podium in 2015 tour is an example of that , Quintana would have won letour if not for Valverde wanting the podiumKoronin said:Red Rick said:I remember when Valverde was in the break of the last mountain stage of the 2016 Vuelta, Sky kept sending riders up the rode while the Movistar guys in the peloton were panicking. Valverde dropped back, yelled at his team for 30 seconds, and peace was restored.Koronin said:portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
To a point. The difference being you've got the stability of Valverde on this Movistar team. Which I'm convinced is why he's going. To keep the rest of the team together when Landa and Quintana end up in a war with each other.
Yep, and I remember several people saying Movistar has a director actually on the bike racing. This is why he's going to the Tour instead of the Giro/Vuelta double. They need him to keep the team from imploding when Quintana and Landa end up in their war (which seems to be inevitable).
telencefalus said:there will be no war between landa and quintana because unzue knows how to obtain what he want : Valverde with the podium in 2015 tour is an example of that , Quintana would have won letour if not for Valverde wanting the podiumKoronin said:Red Rick said:I remember when Valverde was in the break of the last mountain stage of the 2016 Vuelta, Sky kept sending riders up the rode while the Movistar guys in the peloton were panicking. Valverde dropped back, yelled at his team for 30 seconds, and peace was restored.Koronin said:portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
To a point. The difference being you've got the stability of Valverde on this Movistar team. Which I'm convinced is why he's going. To keep the rest of the team together when Landa and Quintana end up in a war with each other.
Yep, and I remember several people saying Movistar has a director actually on the bike racing. This is why he's going to the Tour instead of the Giro/Vuelta double. They need him to keep the team from imploding when Quintana and Landa end up in their war (which seems to be inevitable).
telencefalus said:there will be no war between landa and quintana because unzue knows how to obtain what he want : Valverde with the podium in 2015 tour is an example of that , Quintana would have won letour if not for Valverde wanting the podiumKoronin said:Red Rick said:I remember when Valverde was in the break of the last mountain stage of the 2016 Vuelta, Sky kept sending riders up the rode while the Movistar guys in the peloton were panicking. Valverde dropped back, yelled at his team for 30 seconds, and peace was restored.Koronin said:portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
To a point. The difference being you've got the stability of Valverde on this Movistar team. Which I'm convinced is why he's going. To keep the rest of the team together when Landa and Quintana end up in a war with each other.
Yep, and I remember several people saying Movistar has a director actually on the bike racing. This is why he's going to the Tour instead of the Giro/Vuelta double. They need him to keep the team from imploding when Quintana and Landa end up in their war (which seems to be inevitable).
Blanco said:there will be no war between landa and quintana because unzue knows how to obtain what he want : Valverde with the podium in 2015 tour is an example of that , Quintana would have won letour if not for Valverde wanting the podiumtelencefalus said:Red Rick said:I remember when Valverde was in the break of the last mountain stage of the 2016 Vuelta, Sky kept sending riders up the rode while the Movistar guys in the peloton were panicking. Valverde dropped back, yelled at his team for 30 seconds, and peace was restored.Koronin said:portugal11 said:we will see a 2009 astana in the 2018 tour, I'm pretty sure of that
To a point. The difference being you've got the stability of Valverde on this Movistar team. Which I'm convinced is why he's going. To keep the rest of the team together when Landa and Quintana end up in a war with each other.
Yep, and I remember several people saying Movistar has a director actually on the bike racing. This is why he's going to the Tour instead of the Giro/Vuelta double. They need him to keep the team from imploding when Quintana and Landa end up in their war (which seems to be inevitable).
Nobody.Valv.Piti said:Who held Quintana back from attacking in the bottom of La Toussuire?
He will be conservative, or so he said earlier this season.Serpentin said:Good stage yesterday considering that the climb was short. He will have to gain back some time though against Roglic before or after the time trial.
Himself.Valv.Piti said:Who held Quintana back from attacking in the bottom of La Toussuire?
It never fails to amaze me that Quintana who won buth of his gt's due to a super aggressive attack and lost the only tour where he had a real chance of winning due to being too conservative somehow concludes that his problem is being too aggressive.ice&fire said:He will be conservative, or so he said earlier this season.Serpentin said:Good stage yesterday considering that the climb was short. He will have to gain back some time though against Roglic before or after the time trial.
I don't think it has to do with that. It has to do with last year where he felt he burned himself before the Tour.Gigs_98 said:It never fails to amaze me that Quintana who won buth of his gt's due to a super aggressive attack and lost the only tour where he had a real chance of winning due to being too conservative somehow concludes that his problem is being too aggressive.ice&fire said:He will be conservative, or so he said earlier this season.Serpentin said:Good stage yesterday considering that the climb was short. He will have to gain back some time though against Roglic before or after the time trial.
Red Rick said:2017 was just Giro/Tour going badly wrong.
2016 was being too good early. Catalunya+Pais Vasco+Romandie doesn't make sense to me at all. Think he was too good in Route du Sud already.
Exactly. Unless you're doing a slow buildup, Romandie doesn't make sense at all. They shouldn't have messed too much with the '15 approach. Small peak for Tirreno, then decompress and use Pais Vasco and Romandie for buildup rather than anything else.AlexNYC said:Red Rick said:2017 was just Giro/Tour going badly wrong.
2016 was being too good early. Catalunya+Pais Vasco+Romandie doesn't make sense to me at all. Think he was too good in Route du Sud already.
Re: 2016, let's not forget that he seriously considered doing the Tour de Suisse that year too, which is mind-boggling in retrospect.
One of the most surprising aspects about Quintana the last couple of years is how unsuccessful he and his team have been at maximizing his fitness level for the main goals of the season. This year they're once again experimenting with his approach to the Tour.
Rollthedice said:He was spotted a couple of times pulling on the descent while Landani was in the front group. Momentary lapse of reason or deliberate?
Blanco said:Rollthedice said:He was spotted a couple of times pulling on the descent while Landani was in the front group. Momentary lapse of reason or deliberate?
A little bit of both Guy just isn't a team player, he can't help it