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Emile Vrijman -

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycling/2006-06-02-wada-lance-doping_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

They put as fact things that are suppositions, suspicions and possibilities," Pound said.

Pound said WADA has "completely rejected" the report written by lawyer Emile Vrijman for the International Cycling Union (UCI). The report defended Armstong against accusations that he used performance-enhancing drugs at the 1999 Tour de France.

He said the report had so many factual errors that "pointing them out would probably take as much space as the (132-page) report." WADA will consider legal action against Vrijman and "any organization, including UCI, that may publicly adopt its conclusions."

Pound said a complete, independent investigation was needed to determine whether the seven-time Tour champion used endurance-boosting erythropoietin, or EPO.

The cycling union appointed Vrijman in October to investigate the handling of urine samples from the 1999 Tour by a French anti-doping lab. His report released Wednesday exonerated Armstrong "completely" of any doping infractions. $

when were those donations ?
 
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tubularglue said:
Emile Vrijman -


when were those donations ?

According to recent review by some folks on the forum, citing McQuaid's comments, the donations were made only weeks after the report was published.

In my best George Bush voice, "Heck of a job there Vrimi", as the check is handed to a giddy Patty McDouche.
 
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Someone Novitzky very definitely has to talk to early on is that Polish guy Ryszard Kielpinski, the longtime Postal/Discovery soigneur, and still Lance's soigneur. Very likely the conduit of his PED's.

Should be relatively easy to charge with perjury.

LOL, reminds me of that Lance troll, "Polish", on the forum here, popping up all over the place defending his idol, Lance. Strangely and urgently loyal to Lance, with a tint of desperation in his posting now. Wonder why? ;)
 
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Thom Weisel
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
Jim Ochowicz
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer

Johan Bruyneel - Belgian
Dirk Demol - Belgian
Sean Yates** - English
Alain Gallopin - French

Dr. Michele Ferrari (preparatore par excellence) - Italian

Dr. Luis del Moral Garcia (USPS team doctor) - Spanish
Dr. Jose Marti (USPS team doctor) - Spanish
Dr. Jose Aramendi (USPS team doctor) - Spanish
Dr. Pedro Celaya (USPS team doctor) - Spanish

Jeff Spencer (chiropractor)

Chris Carmichael
Dr. Max Testa - Italian/US citizen
Dr. Allen Lim (doctor of physiology)
Dr. Eric Heiden
Dr. Ed Coyle (doctor of physiology)
Eddie Borysewicz

Dr. Prentice Steffen

Floyd Landis*
Tyler Hamilton*
Frankie Andreu*
Paolo Savoldelli - Italian
Alberto Contador - Spanish
Jose Luis Rubiera - Spanish
Jonathan Vaughters
Kevin Livingston
Marty Jemison
Steve Swart - New Zealander
Dave Zabriskie
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer*
Roberto Heras* - Spanish
Viatcheslav Ekimov (also director) - Russian
Jose Azevedo (also director) - Portuguese
Manuel Beltran* - Spanish
Benjamin Noval - Spanish
Pavel Padrnos* - Czech
Yaroslav Popovych - Ukrainian
Víctor Hugo Peña** - Colombian
Steffen Kjaergaard - Norwegian
Christian Vandevelde
Chris Horner
Robbie Ventura (also Landis' coach)
Cedric Vasseur (also UCI Riders' Association President) - French
Chann Mcrae
Jason McCartney
Matt White** (director) - Australian
Tom Danielson
Phil Anderson** - Australian
Bobby Julich
Ryder Hesjedal - Canadian
Michael Barry - Canadian
Benoit Joachim* - Luxembourgish
Gianpaolo Mondini* - Italian
David Clinger*
Axel Merkx (director espoirs, former Motorola, Ferrari disciple, Tour top 10 GC) - Belgian
Jamie Burrow - English
Michael Creed
Tom Boonen* - Belgian
Vladimir Gusev* - Russian
Pat Jonker - Australian
Julian Dean - New Zealander
Trent Lowe - Australian
Allan Davis - Australian
Ivan Basso* - Italian
Antonio Cruz
Chad Gerlach
Kirk O'Bee*
Steve Bauer - Canadian
Damon Kluck
Kenny Labbé
Dylan Casey
Andrea Peron* - Italian
Max Sciandri* - Italian/English
Saul Raisin
John Devine
Jonathan McCarty
Eddy Gragus
Greg Strock
Ernie Lechuga
Eric Keiter
Roland Green
Brain Walton - Canadian
Taylor Phinney
Bernhard Kohl* - Austrian
Jesus Manzano* - Spanish
Jorg Jaksche* - German

Dr. Don Caitlin
Dr. Rasmus Damsgaard - Danish
Dr. Jakob Morkeberg (doctor of physiology) - Danish
Dr. Bo Belhage (doctor of physiology) - Danish
Dr. Michael Ashenden (doctor of physiology) - Australian
Professor Werner Franke - German
Paul Scott

Emma O'Reilly (soigneur) - Irish
Shelley Verses (soigneur)
Freddy Viaene (soigneur whose real expertise is dexterity with hypodermics) - Belgian
Ryszard Kielpinski (soigneur) - Polish (?)
Ron Jungen (soigneur) - Dutch
Dave Bolch (2000 soigneur)
Jim Dougherty (2000 soigneur) - nationality unsure
Fran Contador - Spanish

Kristin Armstrong
Sheryl Crow
Lisa Shields
Anna Hansen
Stephanie McIlvain
Betsy Andreu
Haven Parchinski (former wife of Tyler Hamilton)
Kristin Johnson (former wife of Tom Danielson)
Linda Armstrong

Geert Duffelaar (RadioShack adminstration/drug mule speculation/team chef) - Belgian

Michael Anderson (Girona mechanic)
Julien de Vriese (mechanic) - Dutch
Dave Lettierri (2000 mechanic) - nationality unsure
Willy Balmat (2000 mechanic) - Switzerland
Jeff Brown (2000 mechanic)
Alan Butler (2000 mechanic) - English
Juan Lujan (2000 mechanic) - Mexican
Dave Lettierri (2000 mechanic) - nationality unsure
Chris Van Roesbroeck (mechanic) - Belgian
Craig Geater (Astana mechanic) - New Zealander

Serge Borlee (bodyguard) - Belgian
Stephen de Vriese (200 USPS busdriver - 2004?Tour) - Dutch
Peter Park (personal trainer)

John Korioth (Armstrong posse)
Dave Bolch (Armstrong posse)
Derek Russey (Armstrong posse)

Liz Kreutz (personal photographer)
Graham Watson (photographer)
Dan Coyle (author)
Martin Dugard (journalist)
Sally Jenkins (journalist)

Anne Gripper - Australian
Sylvia Schenk - German
Francesca Rossi - Italian

Pat McQuaid - Irish
Hein Verbruggen - Dutch
Alain Rumpf - Swiss
D!ck Pound - Canadian
Patrice Clerc (ASO head forced out in putsch) - French
Jean-Etienne Amaury - French
Jean Marie Leblanc - French
Christian Prudhomme - French
Emile Vrijman - Dutch
Mike Fraysse

David Walsh - Irish
Pierre Ballester - French
Damien Ressiot - French
Paul Kimmage - Irish
Matt Rendell - English

Margot Myers (2000 USPS liaison)
Louis Donald (2000 USPS accomadation coordinator)
Mark Higgins (personal assistant)

Greg Lemond

Andy Rihs - Swiss
John LeLangue - Belgian

Paul Sherwen* (also former Motorola communications officer) - English
Bob Roll (Beech Mountain)
Phil Liggett - English
Brian Smith (Motorola) - Scottish
Thierry Adam (commentator France Télévision) - French

Michael Ball (Rock Racing)
Roberto Gaggiolo (director Amore & Vita)
Dr Anthony Galea (Canadian cosmetic and sports doctor)

Eddy Merckx* (introduction to Ferrari) - Belgian

John Burke (Trek)
Scott Daubert (Trek)
Ben Coates (Trek)
Jim Jannard (Oakley)

*indicates riders have had unofficial or official positive sample to PED or recreational
**speculation riders pee'd positive test for national foundation/other authority prior to WADA era and public record

US citizens unless noted

just thought i would repost for those wondering about the list (pg. 1)

who were the other DS's throughout the years not listed ?
 
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Maybe im just niave but Im shock at so many Aussies in that list........ being around this place I shouldnt be shocked at anything and really wish we could burn the hole lot down metephorically and start again. Thinking we would have the majority of riders from our country to be clean was the only thing that keep my interested alive......I cant even believe thats true anymore.

Id like to investigate LA so called 'livestrong' charity and everyone that runs it.......whats really going to 'charity' and what is helping LA to cover his and his mates arses!
 
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i hesitate to tell the feds how to do their job, but how about saving yourself a lot of interviewing hours and just asking sca lawyers (names ???) for complete files.

that's how i would do it or at least start...
 
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MacRoadie said:
Wasn't that settlement confidential?

i dont know anything about american laws but i thought the federal prosecutor miller assigned to assist novitzky has the power to get over such hurdles or at least make use of the already traveled ground efficiently. i mean i still believe they all race against the statue of limitation at this point and it's like 2 months away.
 
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i dont know anything about american laws but i thought the federal prosecutor miller assigned to assist novitzky has the power to get over such hurdles or at least make use of the already traveled ground efficiently. i mean i still believe they all race against the statue of limitation at this point and it's like 2 months away.

As has been stated in other posts and threads, there may be a case for equitable tolling of the statute in the face of what is referred to as "fradulent concealment" (deliberate hiding, non-disclosure, or suppression of a material fact or circumstance (which one is legally or morally bound to reveal) with intent to deceive or defraud in a contractual arrangement.)

Tailwaind was in a contractual arrangement with the USPS.

In Rotella v. Wood, 528 U.S. 549 (2000), the Supreme Court wrote:

In rejecting pattern discovery as a rule, we do not unsettle the understanding that federal statutes of limitations are generally subject to equitable principles of tolling [citation omitted], and where a pattern remains obscure in the face of a plaintiff's diligence in seeking to identify it, equitable tolling may be one answer to the plaintiff's difficulty. . . .
 
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i hesitate to tell the feds how to do their job, but how about saving yourself a lot of interviewing hours and just asking sca lawyers (names ???) for complete files.

that's how i would do it or at least start...

Most of the SCA case is already public. The far better guys to talk to are Lemond lawyers. Good thing they are now working with Landis.
 
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MacRoadie said:
As has been stated in other posts and threads, there may be a case for equitable tolling of the statute in the face of what is referred to as "fradulent concealment" (deliberate hiding, non-disclosure, or suppression of a material fact or circumstance (which one is legally or morally bound to reveal) with intent to deceive or defraud in a contractual arrangement.)

Tailwaind was in a contractual arrangement with the USPS.

In Rotella v. Wood, 528 U.S. 549 (2000), the Supreme Court wrote:

We discussed this before. The SoL does not seem to be an issue, as equitable tolling would be a fit for the circumstances as I see them.
 
Colm.Murphy said:
We discussed this before. The SoL does not seem to be an issue, as equitable tolling would be a fit for the circumstances as I see them.

I agree. It just seems that you need to revisit these things every so often around here. Guarenteed, tomorrow someone will pop on here claiming if they don't nab Armstrong by July, they'll blow the statute.
 
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MacRoadie said:
I agree. It just seems that you need to revisit these things every so often around here. Guarenteed, tomorrow someone will pop on here claiming if they don't nab Armstrong by July, they'll blow the statute.

To be sure, if they could not gain the footing on a tolling claim, they would only lose the broken rules of law/sport from 2002. That forward would still be game.

For all we know, they've already placed a claim to stop the clock.
 
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Deagol said:
add:

Rick Crawford - American

also (?)
Fillippo Simeoni- Italian
Christophe Bassons- French
Olsen Twins ??????- American
Originally Posted by blackcat View Post
Thom Weisel
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
Jim Ochowicz
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer

Johan Bruyneel - Belgian
Dirk Demol - Belgian
Sean Yates** - English
Alain Gallopin - French

Dr. Michele Ferrari (preparatore par excellence) - Italian

Dr. Luis del Moral Garcia (USPS team doctor) - Spanish
Dr. Jose Marti (USPS team doctor) - Spanish
Dr. Jose Aramendi (USPS team doctor) - Spanish
Dr. Pedro Celaya (USPS team doctor) - Spanish

Jeff Spencer (chiropractor)

Chris Carmichael
Dr. Max Testa - Italian/US citizen
Dr. Allen Lim (doctor of physiology)
Dr. Eric Heiden
Dr. Ed Coyle (doctor of physiology)
Eddie Borysewicz
Rick Crawford

Dr. Prentice Steffen

Floyd Landis*
Tyler Hamilton*
Frankie Andreu*
Paolo Savoldelli - Italian
Alberto Contador - Spanish
Jose Luis Rubiera - Spanish
Jonathan Vaughters
Kevin Livingston
Marty Jemison
Steve Swart - New Zealander
Dave Zabriskie
George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer*
Roberto Heras* - Spanish
Viatcheslav Ekimov (also director) - Russian
Jose Azevedo (also director) - Portuguese
Manuel Beltran* - Spanish
Benjamin Noval - Spanish
Pavel Padrnos* - Czech
Yaroslav Popovych - Ukrainian
Víctor Hugo Peña** - Colombian
Steffen Kjaergaard - Norwegian
Christian Vandevelde
Chris Horner
Robbie Ventura (also Landis' coach)
Cedric Vasseur (also UCI Riders' Association President) - French
Chann Mcrae
Jason McCartney
Matt White** (director) - Australian
Tom Danielson
Phil Anderson** - Australian
Bobby Julich
Ryder Hesjedal - Canadian
Michael Barry - Canadian
Benoit Joachim* - Luxembourgish
Gianpaolo Mondini* - Italian
David Clinger*
Axel Merkx (director espoirs, former Motorola, Ferrari disciple, Tour top 10 GC) - Belgian
Jamie Burrow - English
Michael Creed
Tom Boonen* - Belgian
Vladimir Gusev* - Russian
Pat Jonker - Australian
Julian Dean - New Zealander
Trent Lowe - Australian
Allan Davis - Australian
Ivan Basso* - Italian
Antonio Cruz
Chad Gerlach
Kirk O'Bee*
Steve Bauer - Canadian
Damon Kluck
Kenny Labbé
Dylan Casey
Andrea Peron* - Italian
Max Sciandri* - Italian/English
Saul Raisin
John Devine
Jonathan McCarty
Eddy Gragus
Greg Strock
Ernie Lechuga
Eric Keiter
Roland Green
Brain Walton - Canadian
Taylor Phinney
Bernhard Kohl* - Austrian
Jesus Manzano* - Spanish
Jorg Jaksche* - German
Fillippo Simeoni- Italian
Christophe Bassons- French


Dr. Don Caitlin
Dr. Rasmus Damsgaard - Danish
Dr. Jakob Morkeberg (doctor of physiology) - Danish
Dr. Bo Belhage (doctor of physiology) - Danish
Dr. Michael Ashenden (doctor of physiology) - Australian
Professor Werner Franke - German
Paul Scott

Emma O'Reilly (soigneur) - Irish
Shelley Verses (soigneur)
Freddy Viaene (soigneur whose real expertise is dexterity with hypodermics) - Belgian
Ryszard Kielpinski (soigneur) - Polish (?)
Ron Jungen (soigneur) - Dutch
Dave Bolch (2000 soigneur)
Jim Dougherty (2000 soigneur) - nationality unsure
Fran Contador - Spanish

Kristin Armstrong
Sheryl Crow
Lisa Shields
Anna Hansen
Stephanie McIlvain
Betsy Andreu
Haven Parchinski (former wife of Tyler Hamilton)
Kristin Johnson (former wife of Tom Danielson)
Linda Armstrong

Geert Duffelaar (RadioShack adminstration/drug mule speculation/team chef) - Belgian

Michael Anderson (Girona mechanic)
Julien de Vriese (mechanic) - Dutch
Dave Lettierri (2000 mechanic) - nationality unsure
Willy Balmat (2000 mechanic) - Switzerland
Jeff Brown (2000 mechanic)
Alan Butler (2000 mechanic) - English
Juan Lujan (2000 mechanic) - Mexican
Dave Lettierri (2000 mechanic) - nationality unsure
Chris Van Roesbroeck (mechanic) - Belgian
Craig Geater (Astana mechanic) - New Zealander

Serge Borlee (bodyguard) - Belgian
Stephen de Vriese (200 USPS busdriver - 2004?Tour) - Dutch
Peter Park (personal trainer)

John Korioth (Armstrong posse)
Dave Bolch (Armstrong posse)
Derek Russey (Armstrong posse)

Liz Kreutz (personal photographer)
Graham Watson (photographer)
Dan Coyle (author)
Martin Dugard (journalist)
Sally Jenkins (journalist)

Anne Gripper - Australian
Sylvia Schenk - German
Francesca Rossi - Italian

Pat McQuaid - Irish
Hein Verbruggen - Dutch
Alain Rumpf - Swiss
D!ck Pound - Canadian
Patrice Clerc (ASO head forced out in putsch) - French
Jean-Etienne Amaury - French
Jean Marie Leblanc - French
Christian Prudhomme - French
Emile Vrijman - Dutch
Mike Fraysse

David Walsh - Irish
Pierre Ballester - French
Damien Ressiot - French
Paul Kimmage - Irish
Matt Rendell - English

Margot Myers (2000 USPS liaison)
Louis Donald (2000 USPS accomadation coordinator)
Mark Higgins (personal assistant)

Greg Lemond

Andy Rihs - Swiss
John LeLangue - Belgian

Paul Sherwen* (also former Motorola communications officer) - English
Bob Roll (Beech Mountain)
Phil Liggett - English
Brian Smith (Motorola) - Scottish
Thierry Adam (commentator France Télévision) - French

Michael Ball (Rock Racing)
Roberto Gaggiolo (director Amore & Vita)
Dr Anthony Galea (Canadian cosmetic and sports doctor)

Eddy Merckx* (introduction to Ferrari) - Belgian

John Burke (Trek)
Scott Daubert (Trek)
Ben Coates (Trek)
Jim Jannard (Oakley)

*indicates riders have had unofficial or official positive sample to PED or recreational
**speculation riders pee'd positive test for national foundation/other authority prior to WADA era and public record

US citizens unless noted
just thought i would repost for those wondering about the list (pg. 1)

who were the other DS's throughout the years not listed ?
 
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tubularglue said:
Originally Posted by blackcat View Post
Thom Weisel
Dan Osipow
Mark Gorski
Jim Ochowicz
Bill Stapleton
Bart Knaggs
Chris Brewer
...........................................

Quite a list. Would there be any point in calling Willy Voet up to place the scale of doping in context?
 
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you bring up a good point. I am curious who the transporters of the product were. In the list above, or names yet unknown.

willy voet was left to rot. It took 6 days for the goat to be spared.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festina_affair

July 10, 1998: Bruno Roussel, directeur sportif of Festina, declared a day before the start of the Tour in Dublin that he had nothing to do with the drugs find. He claimed that Voet was not supposed to be with the team for the Tour.[6] Meanwhile a judicial inquiry into the importation and illegal circulation of contraband items began in France. It was announced that Voet would be imprisoned in Loos for two weeks.

July 17, 1998: Roussel admitted to systematic doping on the team. In the late evening, Tour de France race directeur Jean-Marie Leblanc expelled the Festina team from the Tour; they would not start the seventh stage (July 18).[11][12]