National Football League

[Amsterhammer]

KC @ OAK - who would have thunk it except someone who backs home teams?

CLE @ ATL - toss up.
TEN @ PHI - home banker.
DET @ NE - might be tough, but should be a Pats win.
GB @ MIN - Packers are on a roll.
JAX @ IND - Colts too good at home.
CIN @ HOU- another toss up.
NYJ @ BUF - Mon. night in Detroit
TB @ CHI - surely Da Bears must take this?
ARI @ SEA - Hawks should just have the edge at home.
STL @ SD - Bolts to have the edge at home.
MIA @ DEN - a must win for the Broncs.
WSH @ SF - this could be a horrible monster score.
DAL @ NYG - Giants just too poor.
BAL @ NO - I've had the Saints wrong for weeks now. The streak could continue.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I'll make predictions in a little while. For now, I want to talk more about pay. We in society scoff at how much money athletes make. But why don't we do the same with other entertainers, such as actors, musicians?

Did you know last year Taylor Swift made about $40m? Her worth is reportedly over $200m, and growing. She'll easily eclipse A-Rod's earnings when her career is over. Is she worth it?

Last year Robert Downy Jr. made a whopping $75m. I'd rank him a very good actor. But worth $75m?

Dwayne Johnson (aka, The Rock) made over $50m last year. Now that guy I would not call a great actor.

Liam Neeson actually is an excellent actor. He made over $30m last year, more than any NFL or MLB player. Is he worth it?

But Football players, and baseball players aren't even the highest paid. Take a look at this list, where soccer players dominate. Tops was Floyd Mayweather who earned over $100m last year. And none of it from sponsorship (because he's a thug, misogynist, and can barely read).

Then there's CEOs...

 

[Merckx index]

We in society scoff at how much money athletes make. But why don't we do the same with other entertainers, such as actors, musicians?

I agree with you that all these people are paid far more than they’re worth by any reasonable standard I can think of (I don’t consider “what the market will bear” reasonable). Why do athletes, and particularly baseball players, get singled out? I’d guess it’s because all the money is announced ahead of time. Taylor Swift might make hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of her career, but there is no one moment in time when that becomes apparent. It accumulates gradually. Whereas we learn in literally an instant that Stanton is going to make more than $300 million (just as ARod got a $250 million contract back in 2001), though it will take more than a decade for him to get paid all of it.

It’s the shock value of the announcement, plus the fact that all that money is guaranteed. If Swift were to lose her voice tomorrow, she would be finished (though I’m sure she is insured for some large amount). Stanton could suddenly flop as a hitter (actually not a wildly improbable possibility, given he hasn’t batted since he was hit by a pitch in the face last September), and he’d still get all that money. Derek Jeter got paid about $15 million last season, and he was one of the worst players in MLB. The Yankees are going to have to pay ARod around $60 million in the coming three years, though he’s nearly 40, coming off a year layoff and has had major surgeries, not to mention all the negative publicity and baggage he brings. All that—and there are many more examples of underperforming players--makes these huge contracts look even more insane.

Even Mayweather—who I believe is the highest paid athlete in the world on an annual basis--flies under the radar somewhat, because he makes his money on a fight by fight basis. He might make $40-50 million in one fight—even more if he ever fought Pacquiao—but the exact amount is not determined until several days or more after the fight, and is not reported as a major story. De la Hoya made even more when he was both a fighter and a promoter (you can add a few promoters like him and Arum to your list of most overpaid). But again, if a boxer suddenly can’t win, he no longer makes the big money. As you no doubt know, there have been many, many formerly great boxers who became poor, often fighting after they were washed-up just for the money, because they were paid only as long as they performed. That isn't the case in baseball.

Back to the NFL. The best running back is...Russell Wilson?

Over his last seven games, Wilson has rushed for 484 yards, which is the seventh-most in the NFL since Week 5. More than Mark Ingram, Justin Forsett, Matt Forte, Andre Ellington, Frank Gore, Alfred Morris, Tre Mason, Bishop Sankey and many more.

Over the course of the season, Wilson is averaging an NFL-best 7.7 yards per carry on 74 runs.

Wilson has more rushing yards in the fourth quarter and overtime -- 243 yards total -- than any other player. Not just any quarterback … any player.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Have you considered moving to Cuba? Nice beaches I hear...

No, why should I?

Last time I checked, I didn´t waste my time watching cuban ball-players doing their hobbies while stealing money from someone else... Oh, well, actually they really do play the game for what it is supposed to be: Playing a game, having competition. No business, fraud schemes surround their joy in the ballpark.

Anyway, great docu here, and a lot of Schadenfreude. More than that can´t be left for men killing millions in like 5 years in/at/with golddiggers, and having 10 children from them. Don´t feel sorry an inch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSOAwNSv8EM

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

But why don't we do the same with other entertainers, such as actors, musicians?

I do. I just didn´t talk about it here because it´s a sports thread. BTW, you could have added politicians/businessmen too then. As you know from the politics thread, they don´t come out good either. Most of those upper-1%-class-people are cheaters (which includes US ballplayers & european soccer market players) and/or plain talent free lottery winners (all those "musicans" would be nothing if not the right bribe at the right time for a radio station to play their "music"). The winner-takes-all-capitalism brings the worst to the top. The nice guys OTOH work for way less, or for free because they care for others...

Did you know last year Taylor Swift made about $40m? Her worth is reportedly over $200m, and growing.

Who is that? Country or rap? Thanks god I found my love for metal again a few years ago (don´t worry, I don´t feed the monster Metallica. There is wayy better music out there).
Anyway, I don´t have to bother about feeding pop-"music" millionaires.

Last year Robert Downy Jr. made a whopping $75m. I'd rank him a very good actor. But worth $75m?

No.

Dwayne Johnson ... that guy I would not call a great actor.

Agree.

Liam Neeson actually is an excellent actor. He made over $30m last year, more than any NFL or MLB player. Is he worth it?

Again, no.

But Football players, and baseball players aren't even the highest paid.

And still they are in the 0.0001% class of whealthiest people in the world. So should they be paid from tax-payers money? Hell, no.

Why do athletes, and particularly baseball players, get singled out?

Do they? Most of time people defend the salaries with the "market argument". Don´t confuse my disgust with the publics thinking & adoring of their role models (LOL. Just watch the docu I just linked).

Finally, I still can enjoy cycling. Isn´t it great to feel the suffering of let´s say Leoplold König? A guy who certainly is underpaid for his amazing display of power on a daily 5 hour bike race. Guys I still can identify with, no matter what or what not goes trou their veins. Because they could be my neigbour I could have a beer with. Not a comic figure hiding behind walls of mansions. With that being said: Let´s all hope guys like JV and Tinkoff fail miserably and get kicked out of cycling. It´s for the better of the sport...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

No, why should I?

You got the joke. Cuban baseball players are very good, many as good as in MLB, but they hardly earn any money in Cuba, because of the "communist" system there.

An interesting aside to this is that boxing legend Teófilo Stevenson could have made millions of dollars had he defected to the US. Granted, it's highly unlikely he would have beaten Muhammad Ali, or even Ken Norton or Larry Holmes for that matter, but he would have won many fights and been very rich. But in his own words, "What is one million dollars compared to the love of eight million Cubans?"

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You got the joke. Cuban baseball players are very good, many as good as in MLB, but they hardly earn any money in Cuba, because of the "communist" system there.

An interesting aside to this is that boxing legend Teófilo Stevenson could have made millions of dollars had he defected to the US. Granted, it's highly unlikely he would have beaten Muhammad Ali, or even Ken Norton or Larry Holmes for that matter, but he would have won many fights and been very rich. But in his own words, "What is one million dollars compared to the love of eight million Cubans?"

We don´t know. Didn´t Stevenson won multiple olympic golds? i think he´d have had a chance against Ali. Like the russian hockey players would have in the 70s/early 80s NHL against Bossy, Gretzky & Co. Good that we have some comparison (Canada Cup), even though played on away field and smaller icehockey courts.
Too bad todays russian players became part of the me-me-athlets trying to show their individual strengths for max contracts only.

That was the good thing about the past, and displayed in perfect sync here: The Russians playing ice ballet as a team. Something we´ll never see again in any sports unless the business aspect is trimmed down to normal again (which will only happen when the late capitalism bubble implodes). Then team play will be the state of art again. The fundament of the beauty of team games.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

You have a great grasp of sports history. While hardly mentioned in the US press, I eventually came to learn of the Summit Series, which may have been the turning point when the Russians (Soviets then) ran into what would eventually turn out to be a ruthless Canadian team in 1972. One could perhaps even boil what you're talking about down to one play, when in game six Bobby Clarke intentionally took out Valeri Kharlamov.

We're dating ourselves, and getting a little off topic! Predictions for tomorrow coming up...

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

We're dating ourselves, and getting a little off topic! Predictions for tomorrow coming up...

Why not? It´s late, nobody is talking anyway... and really, I lost my heart for todays players. Just can´t get into it anymore, when I know they don´t care for their fans (they most likely never did, even in the days of 50.000 $ yearly contracts), more disturbing don´t care for team efforts. If your 500.000 $ back-up is just waiting for the 5 Mio starter to get injured, it´s diametral to the concept of team sports. If LB xyz only cares for his next signing/roster bonus, it´s diametral to the concept of team sports (he might go for the individual sack/tackle instead of doing his parts in the best interest of his team; those things especially happen with losing teams). If players get paid millions who then just throw money around (like I learned from the docu), it´s highly risking the integrity of games: Just learned some of them get addicted to high roller gambling. That makes them vulnerable for fixing games. Just debunked the myth that higher salaries prevent it. Actually those high contract players are like light to moths: All kinds of shady characters come out of their holes to get a share...

It´s just rotten. The games got spoiled beyond help. At least it seems to me. Have no idea how I can find joy again...

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

There's always college. Though Division 1 has it's own share of problems...

CLE@ATL - I'm hoping Atlanta loses. Would like to see a 6-10, or even 5-11 team win that division.
TEN@PHI - Titans looked good in Pittsburgh, Eagles must rebound.
DET@NE - Detroit has talent, but won too many close games.
GB@MIN - Not the best environment for Packers, they still win.
JAX@IND - Lock.
CIN@HOU - Is Mallet the answer for Texans?
TB@CHI - Come on TB, you're not out of it yet!
ARI@SEA - Must win for Seattle.
STL@SD - Rams improving, but went with home team.
WASH@SF - 49ers looking good, Washington not.
MIA@DEN - Denver rebounds, but not easily. Home helps.
DAL@NYG - Dallas ready for a letdown.

NYJ@BUF - In Detroit. Went with better team anyway.
BAL@NO - Can Saints lose three in a row at home?

Agree with Hitch's assessment on the Packers. If you look at the NFC, I see a few teams that can perhaps beat them. Arizona, San Francisco, Detroit, and maybe Dallas or Seattle. The Packers are deep, and have a lot of young talent. Plus Rodgers of course. But they aren't unstoppable, even in Lambeau. They lost last year there to SF, in brutal cold weather. Plus, recall a few short years ago when they finished 15-1, then laid an egg against the Giants in their first playoff game.

In the AFC, one would think New England is able to beat anyone. But I'm not completely convinced. I can't seem to get the last SB loss to the Giants, that 2011 lax performance to the Jets after finishing 14-2 the year previous, and last year's letdown in Denver out of my mind. It's like they need to show me they can win in January before I'll believe it. Also, while Denver and Indy also look like they have enough tools to win, I'm not sold on either of those two teams either just yet.

 

[The Hitch]

I'll make predictions in a little while. For now, I want to talk more about pay. We in society scoff at how much money athletes make. But why don't we do the same with other entertainers, such as actors, musicians?

Did you know last year Taylor Swift made about $40m? Her worth is reportedly over $200m, and growing. She'll easily eclipse A-Rod's earnings when her career is over. Is she worth it?

Last year Robert Downy Jr. made a whopping $75m. I'd rank him a very good actor. But worth $75m?

Dwayne Johnson (aka, The Rock) made over $50m last year. Now that guy I would not call a great actor.

Liam Neeson actually is an excellent actor. He made over $30m last year, more than any NFL or MLB player. Is he worth it?

But Football players, and baseball players aren't even the highest paid. Take a look at this list, where soccer players dominate. Tops was Floyd Mayweather who earned over $100m last year. And none of it from sponsorship (because he's a thug, misogynist, and can barely read).

Then there's CEOs...

Actors are a.million times less deserving of their fortunes.

Sports stars work insanely hard and take huge risks and genrally have lower quality life afterwards. Maybe not even worth it.
.actors just live a life of luxury the whole time, get treated as "artists"

And for every actor who became rich because they had talent there are ten actors who's parents were in the industry or got into films because they had friends in high places or lucked into child acting roles and who gain millions only because their face is recognizable.


The harry potter actors are the best example. Each of them is worth more than any nfl player and every single one of them was famously chosen because they were the kids that looked most like what the producers thought the characters would look like. Since then they have landed star roles after star roles purely because their faces are recognizable and the average person is more likely to watch a film with a face he recognizes.


I also see plenty of rappers and rockstars in major acting roles all the time which proves to me that acting talent or even experience has very little to do with landing major Hollywood roles.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

I also see plenty of rappers and rockstars in major acting roles all the time which proves to me that acting talent or even experience has very little to do with landing major Hollywood roles.

Or it could be that there is no skill of being an actor... no matter how many times them (actors) want to make the public believe it is a talent... and here comes Schwarzenegger. The whole Hollywood business is a big fake... more so than "market" "sports".

 

[Oldman]

Back to underpaid and underappreciated...the Sleeper has awakened.
Seattle D showed up and RW "managed" the game. Managed it old style: took the hits and adjusted. Next week's game in SF will be brutal.

 

[Amsterhammer]

Greatest catch ever? I believe it.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ts_wide_receiver_make_the_greatest_catch.html

 

[Oldman]

Greatest catch ever? I believe it.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...ts_wide_receiver_make_the_greatest_catch.html

Saw it in real time and couldn't believe it. The catch was phenomenal even if he hadn't shucked off a defender to retrieve a nearly 50 yarder...!

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Actors are a.million times less deserving of their fortunes.

I think what may make that worse is that actors or musicians who truly are the most talented, often don't get anywhere near the amount of recognition and financial reward as those who are the most popular.

Who has more talent? Kim Kardashian, or Gabourey Sidibe? Lil' Wayne or Edgar Meyer? Yet their financial reward is completely tilted at about 1,000:1 ratio. Probably much more. It's sickening.

Greatest catch ever? I believe it.

It sure was, but what about the way the Cowboys played, and won the game? They were dug into a hole, but played smart to get out of it with great adjustments on defense, and sticking to the gameplan mixing the run and the pass well. The OL is possibly the best in the NFL right now. They created holes for Murray, and gave Romo plenty of protection on key plays. Tony is already as good as any QB in the NFL with his pocket presence, and this has paid off in spades. We talk about games he has blown, but the whole team played great in the second half. The Giants came into this game to prove something, but Dallas just beat them when it counted.

More comments later.

 

[krebs303]

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

You guys try hard to bring me back. Even put it in my face. ...
Yes, it´s a great catch. Nice try... FYI, Leftover Pie showed me some amazing catches too. This one here is close, but not close enough of what he posted some weeks ago.

Thanks anyway.

I think what may make that worse is that actors or musicians who truly are the most talented, often don't get anywhere near the amount of recognition and financial reward as those who are the most popular.

Who has more talent? Kim Kardashian, or Gabourey Sidibe? Lil' Wayne or Edgar Meyer? Yet their financial reward is completely tilted at about 1,000:1 ratio. Probably much more. It's sickening.

Same happened in metal. There were the "big four" (Metallica, Slayer, Megadeath, Anthrax) hyped, yet there were/are better ones. Someone just needs to dig deep into it hard enough. Anyway, you are right on the whole picture.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

And that, my friends, ends the Rex Ryan era in New York. And Michael Vick's time there as well. What a dreadful performance by the Jets, against a Bills team who had not been playing well, and on a neutral field even. Just miserable.

Nice win for the Ravens. We got to see two things come out of that game. First, Foxxy's RB rule was on perfect display. Former 2000 yard rusher Ray Rice is gone? So what, just put in Seattle's former backup running back, Justin Forsett, and he gains 182 yards!

Next, the most fascinating division in the NFL just got even more interesting, the NFC South.

Atlanta 4-7
New Orleans 4-7
Carolina 3-7-1
Tampa 2-9

Come on Tampa, you aren't out of this yet! 5-11 could actually win this division and get a home field playoff game!

 

[Merckx index]

Nice win for the Ravens. We got to see two things come out of that game. First, Foxxy's RB rule was on perfect display. Former 2000 yard rusher Ray Rice is gone? So what, just put in Seattle's former backup running back, Justin Forsett, and he gains 182 yards!

I think you mean Jamaal Lewis?

Next, the most fascinating division in the NFL just got even more interesting, the NFC South.

Atlanta 4-7
New Orleans 4-7
Carolina 3-7-1
Tampa 2-9

Come on Tampa, you aren't out of this yet! 5-11 could actually win this division and get a home field playoff game!

Not only that, but there are scenarios in which a 12-4 NFC team could miss the playoffs. Pretty unlikely, but 11-5 would not be a huge surprise, and 10-6 is quite possible. I’m kind of hoping something like this happens, as if that wouldn’t push the NFL to revise the postseason rules, nothing would.

Remember, 12-4 NO had to play at 7-9 SE a few years ago, and in a weird twist of fate, it’s quite possible a WC SE team with double digit wins could play at below .500 NO this year. There was also 12-4 Pittsburgh at 8-8 Denver the following year. Both times the home team won despite being I think a massive underdog, which I guess says something for Foxxy’s system.

In any case, what we can be quite sure about is that the winner of the NFC South will have a much worse record than some teams that fail to make the playoffs. NO or Atlanta would have to win 3 of their final 5 games to finish 7-9, and quite likely 10-6 won’t be good enough for a WC. One sportswriter even suggested the winner of the NFC South should voluntarily give up its playoff spot to a more deserving team, such as one in the AFC North, which has three teams with a record three games better than the best teams in the NFC South, and which is 10-1-1 vs, teams in that division.

Has anyone fallen further faster in recent NFL history than RGIII? Two years ago he was the no. 2 draft pick and ROY that Washington bet the farm on. He was supposed to be one of the most promising QBs ever, featuring a never-before-seen combination of running speed and arm strength, leading Washington back to prominence. And now, he's being benched in favor of McCoy, and talk is that Washington is ready to move on next year without him.

The game vs. Indy this week--it would have been the first time the top two QBs in the 2012 draft met in a RS game--kind of symbolizes how badly this has worked out for Washington, which reportedly would have taken RGIII even if they had the first pick. Indeed, I can remember a certain someone who posts here often saying Luck would be a bust, while assuring us that RGIII’s cannon arm heralded a successful career. Yet while RGIII's future as a starter anywhere is now in doubt, Luck shines, leading his team to the postseason for the third straight year, and looking more and more that he’s on the path to elite status.

Survival: ATL

Past picks: MIA*, NYJ, MIN, TE, BUF*, OAK, StL*, BAL, JAX, CHI, TB*, WASH

Elimination: BAL, DET

Already listed: NYG, JAX, KC, MIA, BUF, StL, OAK, TE, CLE, WASH, PIT, NYJ, NO, HOU, TB, MIN, CHI, ATL, CAR, CIN, SE, IND

I guess at this point it’s easier to list the teams remaining:

NE, Denver, SD in the AFC, Dallas, Philly, GB, AZ, and SF in the NFC. I think I’m short two picks from others, as I’ve eliminated 22 teams through week 12, but even then I have just 8 teams left, with five more weeks to go. So I belatedly realize this elimination game has been set up wrong, I will have to make my two SB picks with one game left in the RS, and others will have to do it with two games left.

I think at some point we should have switched to one team per week. In fact, it would have been better to make just one pick per week every week after the third week. That way, we would eliminate 20 teams prior to the playoffs, leaving 12, which is how many teams will actually be left at that point. Further elimination would occur just by picking winners of the playoff games.

Two Thanksgiving games will go a long way to determining playoff teams. The winner of SE at SF will take a big step to winning a WC, as well as staying alive in the division race. The game is probably a little more critical for SF, because if they can’t beat SE at home, they probably won’t on the road, either. But SE really needs to sweep either that series or beat the Cardinals in Arizona later.

The winner of Philly at Dallas takes the division lead, though the loser will still be in good shape for a WC. Haven’t heard anyone talk about Tony Romo for MVP, but he’s second only to Rodgers in QB efficiency.

Speaking of Rodgers, NE at GB could be one of the best games of year, and a possible SB preview. No offense looks scarier than GB’s right now, but NE did a good job of holding Luck and the Colts in check.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I think you mean Jamaal Lewis?

Yes. Both actually! Plug and play!

There are scenarios in which a 12-4 NFC team could miss the playoffs[/URL]. Pretty unlikely, but 11-5 would not be a huge surprise, and 10-6 is quite possible. I’m kind of hoping something like this happens, as if that wouldn’t push the NFL to revise the postseason rules, nothing would.

Unfortunately, what would happen is that the NFL would merely expand the playoffs so more teams make it in. It is highly unlikely to strip a division winner from getting a home game. Even if a 5-11 Saints team beat an 11-5 49ers team in New Orleans. Like the rest of America, the NFL is focused first and foremost on how to make as much money as possible. Expanding the playoffs would be a step in that direction.

Has anyone fallen further faster in recent NFL history than RGIII?

I wrote about him a week or so ago. I'd say he's done in Washington, and his ego has to take a step back and he needs to go to a QB guru in the off season to work on pocket, footwork, etc. Then he has to accept there's a good chance he'll be a back-up somewhere next year. If having to sit against Andrew Luck and the Colts doesn't get him to reflect that he needs to make some decisions, nothing will.

I can remember a certain someone who posts here often saying Luck would be a bust, while assuring us that RGIII’s cannon arm heralded a successful career.

To that certain someone's credit, he admitted he was wrong on Luck, and he also said after RG3 hurt his knee, that he would never fully recover, which has so far been true.

So I belatedly realize this elimination game has been set up wrong, I will have to make my two SB picks with one game left in the RS, and others will have to do it with two games left. I think at some point we should have switched to one team per week.

Actually, those are the rules. I will have to dig up the post I made, but I believe when you are down to 4 teams left, the weeks after that you only eliminate 1 team, until you have only two left.

Survival, Elimination and weekly picks later.

 

[Amsterhammer]

I don't think I've ever had only one wrong pick over the Sun./Mon games before. If it hadn't been for the Brown's last second FG I would have had a sweep.

Elimination Football:

Amsterhammer - Washington, Dallas, N.Y. Giants, Sandy Eggo, Oakland, Jax, Tampa Bay, Houston, Atlanta, Minnesoda, Titans, Rams, Miami, NYJ, Bears, Browns, Niners, Panthers, Bengals, Saints, Seattle!, Iggles, Colts, Lions

For Survival Football, you must pick a team you think will lose this weekend. You cannot select them again for the rest of the season. Here are last week's picks. Please help fill in the blank if you picked and I missed it.

Amsterhammer - (missed pick) Sandy Eggo, (one strike), Oakland, Tampa Bay, Cowgirls (strike 2) Rams (and that was strike 3) Titans, NYJ, JAX, BUF, DET, WSH


CHI @ DET - Da Bears have been a disappointment, home win.
PHI @ DAL - Two teams I loathe. Slight edge to the home team.
SEA @ SF - Do or die, another slight edge to the home team.

(rest to follow - now edited in, 12:02 am 30/11)

WSH @ IND – Even without 3Bob, Skins simply not good enough.
TEN @ HOU – Should be a safe home win.
CLE @ BUF – Should be another one, upset possible.
SD @ BAL – Got to stick with my second team.
NYG @ JAX – Can the Giants suck badly enough to lose here? I believe they can.
CIN @ TB – Should be an away banker.
OAK @ STL – Despite last week’s upset, Raiders to lose again.
NO @ PITT – Can’t get the Saints right either. Home win.
CAR & MIN – Meh. Vikings to edge it?
ARI @ ATL – Cardinals to march on.

NE @ GB – ‘The’ SB rehearsal game everyone wants to see. This should be close and lots of fun to watch, with the Packers just benefiting from the Lambeau vibe. Both Pats losses have been on the road.

DEN @ KC – Broncs to prevail, just.
MIA @ NYJ – Fins should win.

 

[leftover pie]

For Elimination Football® this week:

New Orleans / Philadelphia

To add to my list:

NYG / Washington / NYJ / Dallas /Jacksonville / Minnesota / St Louis / Oakland / Miami / Tampa Bay / Atlanta / Pittsburgh / Cleveland / Cincinnati / Carolina / Indianapolis / Tennessee / Chicago / Houston / Detroit / Buffalo / San Francisco


For Reverse Survival Football™ (Loser Bowl):

Panthers

My current score: 1

Previous highest score: 8

Teams used: Titans*, Chargers*, Washington, Jacksonville, Jets(0), Raiders, 49ers, Rams, Buccaneers, Bears, Texans*, Lions

 

[ToreBear]

Eliminacion:
Torebear - Oak, Jax, Tenn, KC, Hou, TB, Stl, Wash, NYJ, Min, Cle, Chi, Atl, NYG, Car, SF, Cin, SD, BUF, SEA new picks: NO, MIA


For Survival Football™.
Torebear - NY Giants, Chicago*, Pitt*, Tenn, Ari, Dal*, NYJ, SD, Stl*,SF*,Cin*,JAX New pick: WAS

I didn't want to pick the skins until Amsterdammer had forsaken them. He has, so now I will.


Looking forward to todays games. Remember the first one starts at 18:30 CET.

I'm hoping the lions finally find a little progress in their passing game. I counted 3 tds the receivers couldn't catch against NE. NE and ARI have great secondaries, while the bears don't.

It will also be interesting if we see a Fuller family match up. Big brother Corey WR vs little brother Kyle CB.

I think Dallas is going to run over Philly.

On Sea vs. SF I wonder if SF can get some offense going.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Elimination Football®.

NYG, Cle, Jax, StL, TB, Mia, NYJ, Min, Ten, Buf, Chi, Wash, Atl, Hou, Car, Cin, SD, SF, Balt, Oak, Sea, NO. This week: Pittsburgh, Detroit.

Survival Football™.

Indy, KC, Minn, Tenn, NYJ, Dal*, NYG, Wash*, St.L, Chi, Cin*, Det. This week: Philadelphia.

Today's games:

CHI@DET - Game will be close though.
PHI@DAL - Cowboys playing well. Philly, sketchy on D and QB.
SEA@SF - Do or die is right. SF not likely to hit 20 points, so a Seattle win won't shock me.