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Flynn was indeed Rodgers backup.
The 15-1 season finale was against Detroit who did still get through as a wildcard. Had they won, they would have been the 5th seed over Atlanta (both ended on 10-6).
Jordy Nelson caught three of the 6 TDs.

(not sure why the Packers keep getting the Lions as the season finale, its over 50% of recent seasons now)
 
Oh and Flynn after bouncing round some came back to the Packers in 2013, and stabilized the QB3 (well starter as AR was injured, as was the original back-up Seneca Wallace)
His starts: tied with Vikings, lost big to the Lions, beat the Cowboys and lost to Steelers enough to get the Packers the division title and get him the back-up spot again for 2014.

(there was a significant group of Packers fans calling for him to be resigned when AR went down last year, but he was 2 years out of the pros by then)
 
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Merckx index said:
Oh, I agree that Big Ben is being pretty small. I understand why. He doesn't know how much longer he has, but it could be several more years, and he doesn't want to get pushed out by his heir apparent.
Several more years? He looks like he's one big hit away from not getting up. He looks gimpy out there and gets drilled a lot after releasing the ball. Have you seen his injury history? Pretty extensive with 4 diagnosed grade 1 concussions (though he's played through a lot of the injuries).

http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/ben-roethlisberger/2639

The weird thing with Roethlisberger is just last summer he said retirement was an option after the 2017 season. And reading into his interview I would have guessed 2017 was it...but obviously not.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/07/28/ben-roethlisberger-retirement-rumors-steelers-training-camp-2017-latrobe/stories/201707280132
 
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Merckx index said:
Speaking of Rodgers, wasn't Flynn his backup at GB before he went to Seattle? IIRC, that was the year after GB won the SB, they went 15-1
That was the year they basically collapsed in the playoffs to the Giants, who went on to win the Superbowl. It was pretty astounding how poor they played, especially on defense. But Rogers looked flat much of the game as well, and there are Packer fans who felt if he had played some in that last game of the season instead of Flynn, he would have had more momentum, instead of sitting two weeks before playing in the playoffs.
I know you're a long-time fan of the silver-and-black, Alpe, so here's a great joke involving that team and a QB who never really made it. I'm sure you remember Mark Wilson.
Ugh. Of course I remember him. He was the anti-Plunkett, and played like a poor man's Warren Moon. Good arm, but threw best between the 10 yard lines, or when games were out of reach (winning, or losing). The Raiders repeatedly tried to get Wilson to pan out, and repeatedly had Plunkett replace him, no matter how old Jim got, even at 39, when he was slow and beat up, and threw more picks than TDs, Plunkett still replaced, and outplayed Wilson for the most part.

I think of you as being polite and astute Merckx, so to hear these jokes from you are refreshing. :)
 
Flynn: I remember him going to Seattle touted as the next big thing, but wondering how his work in Green Bay got him that status. It turns out he wasn't the next big thing. I don't remember all of his stops, but I remember Oakland and New Orleans, plus the second tour with GB.

Even though Cassel has better numbers (two pretty solid seasons) he and Flynn seem like similar QBs. I think that Cassel recently signed so he's still around (maybe he's trying to play for all 32 teams! :)
 
I'm a Steeler fan, however, I've never really been a fan of Big Ben and the comments he's making make me like him even less. Rudolph may or may not turn out to be a good quality NFL quarterback, but it made perfect sense for the Steelers to draft him where they did. Heck Ben was talking about retiring only a year or so ago. I can't see him having more than between 1 and 3 years left.
 
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Koronin said:
I'm a Steeler fan, however, I've never really been a fan of Big Ben and the comments he's making make me like him even less. Rudolph may or may not turn out to be a good quality NFL quarterback, but it made perfect sense for the Steelers to draft him where they did. Heck Ben was talking about retiring only a year or so ago. I can't see him having more than between 1 and 3 years left.

I give he and Brady one more season probably, Manning the same.
 
Just what in the world was Big Ben expecting the Steelers to do regarding their QB position and backups when he hinted at retirement in January of 2017 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...hlisberger-hints-retirement-article-1.2954393), and then reaffirmed that notion again in July of 2017 at their training camp (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-camp-that-he-could-retire-after-2017-season/)??? Forget he ever said any of that, and then catch them with their pants down if he all of a sudden up and retires? It's one thing to hint at retirement at the end of the season when you're all banged up. Many players go through a process of evaluating whether they are willing to come back for more. It's another thing to say that again in July, a time when players should have already committed. By July I'd take retirement comments a little more seriously if I was the Steelers. And so they did! If Ben wants to retire, fine, retire. If he just wants to talk about maybe retiring, fine, talk. But he should not be pissy and a garbage teammate if they draft a QB. Meh, maybe Ben's had too many hits to the head to remember he made any comments about retiring.

I hope for the Browns and Baker's sake that Cleveland did not make a mistake drafting Baker. I'm afraid they may have though. After listening to Rex Ryan (Tyrod's former HC in Buffalo) today comment about Tyrod, he seems confident in Tyrod's ability to be the day-1 starter, and keep it. Interesting times ahead for sure.
 
Well, that is Rex you're talking about.

As to who retires. I'll be really surprised if Eli plays well this season. Last year it didn't matter who he was trying to throw to, he looked like he was slipping fairly quickly. The problem for the Giants is the contract is heavily favored in Eli's favor, with 2 years left on a 4-year $84m deal that has a no trade clause, and are big hits against their cap, cutting him would be a lot of dead money, and I don't think he'd be picked up by anyone right away. I agree this may be Ben's last year as well, in his case mostly due to injuries degrading his play. Brady and Brees I would guess could last another two seasons, same with Rivers. I also imagine this is Josh McCown's last season, whether he starts many games, or none. Jay Cutler hasn't announced he's retired, but I imagine he will.
 
Some not so good news in the NFL: Mark Ingram suspended 4 games for a PED positive:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931997/article/saints-rb-mark-ingram-suspended-four-games-for-peds

I'm sure Brees & co are just thrilled with this. Ingram had his best season last year with 1200 yds rushing & 58 receptions.

And Corey Liuget?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922895/article/chargers-dt-corey-liuget-suspended-4-games-for-peds

I don't find this one too surprising:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bengals-lb-vontaze-burfict-suspended-four-games-for-ped-violation/

Burfict suspended again?...who would have thought. I remember this guy was out of control in that playoff game with Pittsburgh a couple of years back. Personal foul penalties, trying to start fights, cheap shots, etc.

This is a joke that the first time offense for PEDs is only 4 games when MLB's policy is 80 games; basically half of the season.

Que Sera Sera....
 
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jmdirt said:
Ingram in "stupid" jail for four games. I say stupid because a retired NFL guy here said "guys on PEDs don't get busted, stupid guys on PEDs get busted".
I thought that was a famous line for cycling dopers? Lol. Go check the NFL PED suspension list for 2018 (year to date). I highlighted a few of the bigger names. Sadly, Mark Sanchez is on the list who's a free agent. Imagine some team hurting very badly for a back-up this preseason is interested in signing him; Oops...can't sign him because he's got to serve a 4 game suspension. Lol.
 
I don't really follow the details, having been really burnt out on all the doping in cycling, but my understanding is that MLB's testing is notably more strict than the NFL, not just the suspensions. I'm also pretty convinced PED use is way lower, and obviously way lower than it was a decade ago in MLB. The rest of the discussion probably belongs in The Clinic.

I analyzed the Raiders draft and they got some players who fell further than expected in the middle rounds. I'm still a little chaffed they took Kolton Miller at 15. PJ Hall was a stretch as well in the 2nd round. Brandon Parker was another T that made me wonder. Then came Arden Key, Maurice Hurst, and Azeem Vector who fell far below where projected, because of off field issues, especially Hurst. Here's where Gruden can maybe make the best of them. Let them be raucous on the field, embrace the Black Hole, just don't get in trouble that hurts the team. Can he do it?

Though he's arguably near the end of his career, I saw it as a positive sign when Derrick Johnson signed with the Raiders, in his words, because of Jon Gruden. He got offers from a few teams, but as soon as Oakland called, he was ready to sign.

As I look at this draft and off season and Gruden seems to believe in the old adage that Brock once said in so many words: Yes, you need a star QB and playmakers, but down to down, play to play, games are won and lost in the trenches. This entire draft, plus the singing of Johnson, was about structural reinforcement and depth on both sides of the line. And it's not going to cost the team a lot of cash. The only risk is if these guys don't play worth a darn, or some of the at risk guys turn into knuckleheads.
 
In a court hearing Reuben Foster's ex girlfriend admitted to lying about her domestic violence allegations and admits to doing the same thing with other boyfriends...........she also said that her ruptured eardrum was from a previous fight with another woman.......mmmmm .........as for Foster also allegedly throwing her dog across the room, well who knows, if only dogs could talk..........
 
This sounds like bad management to me, but I'm neither the target audience of the "owners" or the players, if that makes sense.

I agree that there are other ways to protest. Such as raising a fist, or turning your back on the flag, just for starters.

I did however find it interesting that Christopher Johnson, chairman of the Jets, said he'd pay any fines that protesting players incurred.

Here's some quotes from Johnson:
"I do not like imposing any club-specific rules, If somebody [on the Jets] takes a knee, that fine will be borne by the organization, by me, not the players. I never want to put restrictions on the speech of our players. Do I prefer that they stand? Of course. But I understand if they felt the need to protest.

"There are some big, complicated issues that we're all struggling with, and our players are on the front lines. I don't want to come down on them like a ton of bricks, and I won't. There will be no club fines or suspensions or any sort of repercussions. If the team gets fined, that's just something I'll have to bear."

"I know there's some discussion of keeping players off the field until after the anthem. I think that's a particularly bad idea, I just think that trying to forcibly get the players to shut up is a fantastically bad idea."

Johnson also released an additional statement via the team's official Twitter account, in which he reiterated the team's commitment to "strengthening our communities" and stated the team will "work closely with our players to constructively advance social justice issues that are important to us."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-chairman-christopher-johnson-says-hell-pay-any-anthem-related-fines-for-jets-players/
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
This sounds like bad management to me, but I'm neither the target audience of the "owners" or the players, if that makes sense.

I agree that there are other ways to protest. Such as raising a fist, or turning your back on the flag, just for starters.

I did however find it interesting that Christopher Johnson, chairman of the Jets, said he'd pay any fines that protesting players incurred.

Here's some quotes from Johnson:
"I do not like imposing any club-specific rules, If somebody [on the Jets] takes a knee, that fine will be borne by the organization, by me, not the players. I never want to put restrictions on the speech of our players. Do I prefer that they stand? Of course. But I understand if they felt the need to protest.

"There are some big, complicated issues that we're all struggling with, and our players are on the front lines. I don't want to come down on them like a ton of bricks, and I won't. There will be no club fines or suspensions or any sort of repercussions. If the team gets fined, that's just something I'll have to bear."

"I know there's some discussion of keeping players off the field until after the anthem. I think that's a particularly bad idea, I just think that trying to forcibly get the players to shut up is a fantastically bad idea."

Johnson also released an additional statement via the team's official Twitter account, in which he reiterated the team's commitment to "strengthening our communities" and stated the team will "work closely with our players to constructively advance social justice issues that are important to us."

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-chairman-christopher-johnson-says-hell-pay-any-anthem-related-fines-for-jets-players/

This guy is much too smart for the NFL. Actually he is the sort of guy that should be in Goodell's job.........
 
Jets fans may know that he's done a good job of connecting to and supporting players after taking over the team form his older brother (Woody) last year. He is indeed well spoken and thoughtful, but also has a bit of a sense of humor. He admitted he wasn't the most patient guy, but when asked if that meant he'd be hands on with player or team decisions he said not one bit, "I'm not Jerry Jones." :lol:

Fans may also recall Johnson standing in arms with his players a few times last year.

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In other Clinic news, new documents that supposedly reveal Manning admitted to HGH use:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/al-jazeera-says-peyton-manning-was-source-confirming-claims-sports-doping-film-1116340

And though this is the wrong thread even for the sport, I'll just mention that Wellington Castillo, a major league catcher, recently tested positive for EPO. Figure that one out. Baseball doesn't require endurance, and particularly not for catchers, the one position that is played at the same spot the entire game.
 

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