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I usually sympathize with the woman in these cases, and there are certainly reasons to do so here. Brown sounds like the kind of me-and-my-needs-first guy who could do this. The emails that have been published, admitting he masturbated in her presence, and calling her a b!tch and a hoe, paint a picture of a real a$$hole. He also in effect brags about screwing her, so it seems that virtually everything she has accused him of doing is true.

But the question is whether the relationship was consensual, as Brown claims, and there are some things in her story that Brown’s lawyers will no doubt use against her.
  1. The first two incidents happened in 2017, after which she stopped working with him. Despite those incidents, she changed her mind and agreed to keep working with him. This was after some of those emails making degrading insults. The best possible take on this is that she had the same attitude the NFL does. Money is more important than character.
  2. The second incident happened when she was watching a church service online in Brown’s home. In fact, she was staying at his home, not in a hotel. That sounds consistent with Brown’s contention that they had a personal relationship as well as a professional one. (She said she thought they had a brother-sister relationship, which seems naive, given that even before they began working together, they were in communication, and Brown asked for a naked photo of her). So she not only gave the guy a pass on the first incident of sexual harassment—when he approached her naked and with an erection—but couldn’t even maintain her professional distance.
  3. The third incident occurred after they went out together—more evidence of a personal relationship. He drove her back to his home, where, instead of getting into her car and going to her hotel—when they reconnected, that was one of her terms—she went inside to use a bathroom. After the rape, she returned the next day to get her belongings. After such a traumatic experience, why wouldn’t she bring her fiancé or someone else she trusted, instead of going there alone? Brown also claims, but she AFAIK hasn’t commented on this, that she returned to his home again ten days after the alleged rape.
  4. She said, as women usually do in this situation, that it was difficult for her to get the courage to speak out. But the me too movement began in 2017, right when the first incidents reportedly happened. Why did it take her two years, with all the women who were coming forward at that time?
  5. If it was difficult to come forward, why would she wait till Brown was plastered all over the news, and any rape charges would get far more publicity? If she had made these charges as recently as a few months ago, before Brown was traded to the Raiders, let alone last year, before his poor relationships with the Steelers emerged, they would have generated far less attention. Instead, she comes forward at the worst possible time if she wanted to avoid publicity. To be fair, it’s been reported she became engaged less than two weeks after the alleged rape, and it took her a long time to tell her fiancé. But still, it’s been almost a year and a half.
My best half-a$$ guess is that she wanted a personal relationship with him, but resisted his sexual advances for (justifiable) fear of just being used and tossed aside (they met at some college Christian group, and my impression of her is that she would refuse to have sex with him without a long-term commitment). If she also asked for money for her business, as Brown alleges, that obviously is also very damning. Still, after saying all this, it sounds like rape by the current definition probably did occur. Her case would be much better if she filed a criminal rather than civil suit. She could do both, of course, but if she really was raped, plus the harassment that Brown basically admits, she should have filed criminal charges first.

The absence of criminal charges also apparently is why the NFL will not put Brown on the exempt list, which would prevent him from playing for the time being. He's eligible to play this Sunday, not that NE needs him.
I don't think that anyone can question the timing (waiting time) of someone coming forward if the event actually occurred. Emotions are a crazy thing.
 
Brown seems to have a lot of legal problems:

Last year, Brown was sued by his landlord, Aqualina 1402 LLC, who leased him a $7 million oceanfront Miami condo.

The NFL star leased the luxury condo starting in February 2018. The home was furnished with “high end custom furniture such as leather couches. Silk fabric covered sofas and top of the line appliances.”

The landlord accuses Brown of leaving the home in severe damage. He said the NFL star breached the lease by “destroying, damaging, defacing the premises, as well as furnishings, appliances and other personal belongings” of the owner.

The owner said they had to spend a substantial amount on repairs. He claimed Brown refused to pay up despite demands. He sued seeking unspecified damages.
 
Bucs were due one. Since I started watching NFL the Panthers have dominated the Bucs totally, especially in Charlotte and usually in Tampa too.

Bucs look like they actually have a good team. I think Bucs outplayed Panthers and Panthers rode their luck/ law of averages just to stay in a game, their kicker made two very wobly 50+ yarders that could have gone anywhere. The bucs had a very long return taken away based on a light hit in the back that had no effect on the play. Panthers survived 2 fumbled catches off punts, the second one heroically rebounding right into the arms of their other player.

Bucs also were coached poorly at times. Everyone knows about the double time out which was awful, but what I didn't get is why they threw for the end zone at 3rd and 5 with 2.20 left. If they had gotten the first down that would have won the game. I like Arians but the defense didn't need to make that stand.

Still they did and Tampa dominated the lines on both sides of the ball. Away to a division opponent.

People say it was an ugly game but I like close games, don't care if its full of errors or 40 guys having the game of their life.

How would that f up the td? At worse its "after the play", 15 yard penalty on the kick off which is possibly the least damaging penalty in football.
 
Bucs were due one. Since I started watching NFL the Panthers have dominated the Bucs totally, especially in Charlotte and usually in Tampa too.

Bucs look like they actually have a good team. I think Bucs outplayed Panthers and Panthers rode their luck/ law of averages just to stay in a game, their kicker made two very wobly 50+ yarders that could have gone anywhere. The bucs had a very long return taken away based on a light hit in the back that had no effect on the play. Panthers survived 2 fumbled catches off punts, the second one heroically rebounding right into the arms of their other player.

Bucs also were coached poorly at times. Everyone knows about the double time out which was awful, but what I didn't get is why they threw for the end zone at 3rd and 5 with 2.20 left. If they had gotten the first down that would have won the game. I like Arians but the defense didn't need to make that stand.

Still they did and Tampa dominated the lines on both sides of the ball. Away to a division opponent.

People say it was an ugly game but I like close games, don't care if its full of errors or 40 guys having the game of their life.

How would that f up the td? At worse its "after the play", 15 yard penalty on the kick off which is possibly the least damaging penalty in football.
When I started watching neither of those teams existed! :D
 
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It's now reported that Taylor and Brown were in talks to reach a financial settlement last April, and very recently, Brown had a chance to sign the settlement, so that none of these charges would have come out.

On the one hand, this at least means Taylor didn't take action only recently, after Brown signed with the Patriots. This was going on while Brown was still with Pittsburgh. On the other hand, it makes it clear that it's all about money for her. She apparently never reported the rape or anything else to the police, and never would have said anything publicly about it if Brown had paid her off. Her statement about how hard it was to come out looks completely phony now, piggy-backing on the metro movement to serve her own interests. She went public with the charges only when it became clear Brown wasn't going to give her any money, and it was the only leverage she had. She never had any interest in criminal justice, or in her story being told to the public. Doesn't say much about her character, IMO.

Brown is either very confident he can win the case, or refused to sign the settlement out of pride, not wanting to admit defeat. But it could backfire on him. Before the alleged rape, Brown and Taylor went out, along with one of Brown's teammates. I wondered if he was with them when they returned to Brown's home and the rape supposedly occurred. It seems he was, and he now becomes a key witness, who will be talking to the NFL as well as Taylor. If he corroborates her story, Brown will not only lose the civil case and probably be gone from the NFL, but would face prison. Then again, the teammate himself could be in trouble if he knew or had reason to know a rape had occurred, and remained silent till now.

We also should know by now that if Brown did rape or sexually harass Taylor, it probably wasn't the first time with the first woman. The longer this case drags out, the better the chances that some other women come forward with their own stories, maybe as a genuine effort at confronting their feelings and finding closure, or maybe as their own attempt to get in on the money train.

This also is a reminder of how little NFL teams know about the backgrounds of their players. Aaron Sanchez had committed brutal assaults and murders when he was starring with the Patriots, and all of that might never have emerged if the police hadn't traced a car to his address. If Brown had signed the settlement with Taylor, he would playing with the Patriots with no one aware that he might be a rapist.

FWIW, Brown's stepfather has spoken out, and while admitting he knows nothing about the case, from what he knew about Brown when he raised him, "this doesn't surprise me."
 
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Thoughts on a few games:

ARI@BAL - The Ravens and Jackson will show Arizona how it's done.
DAL@WAS - As well as Dallas played last week, Washington looked good in a loss.
IND@TEN - Titans hold onto first place.
SEA@PIT - Steelers at home.
BUF@NYG - Bills hold onto first place...sort of. Eli will show he's finished against this D.
MIN@GB - Let's see if the Packers can continue to play well.
NE@MIA - Best team in NFL vs. the worst. Lock of the week.
KC@OAK - Raiders return to earth. Top rookie Abrams out for the year.
NO@LAR - Talk about revenge.
PHI@ATL - I can't possibly see the Falcons play as bad as they did last week.

CLE@NYJ - This should be a decent game. Let's see who wakes up.
 
Thoughts on a few games:

ARI@BAL - The Ravens and Jackson will show Arizona how it's done.
DAL@WAS - As well as Dallas played last week, Washington looked good in a loss.
IND@TEN - Titans hold onto first place.
SEA@PIT - Steelers at home.
BUF@NYG - Bills hold onto first place...sort of. Eli will show he's finished against this D.
MIN@GB - Let's see if the Packers can continue to play well.
NE@MIA - Best team in NFL vs. the worst. Lock of the week.
KC@OAK - Raiders return to earth. Top rookie Abrams out for the year.
NO@LAR - Talk about revenge.
PHI@ATL - I can't possibly see the Falcons play as bad as they did last week.

CLE@NYJ - This should be a decent game. Let's see who wakes up.
Ifedi is busy making your SEA@Pitt pick a reality. If he isn't holding he is standing, watching Wilson get sacked. This is hard to take....
 
So like I said she's had the lawsuit for awhile. Again, she could have been waiting till he got paid because then it's hard to say you have no money. Apparently the settlement was for over $2 million.

Just came across this article explaining the settlement and the deadlines they had with it. They said they had a settlement conference and 2 mediation hearings with her attorney's giving the deadline on the Sunday before he signed with the Patriots or they would file the lawsuit. She is meeting with the NFL tomorrow. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wcvb.com/amp/article/patriots-receiver-antonio-brown-rejects-dollar2-million-settlement-with-rape-accuser-according-to-report/29056416

He was featured a lot more than I thought in his first game in the beginning. Otherwise I was bored with this weeks games.
 
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Thoughts on a few games:

ARI@BAL - The Ravens and Jackson will show Arizona how it's done.
DAL@WAS - As well as Dallas played last week, Washington looked good in a loss.
IND@TEN - Titans hold onto first place.
SEA@PIT - Steelers at home.
BUF@NYG - Bills hold onto first place...sort of. Eli will show he's finished against this D.
MIN@GB - Let's see if the Packers can continue to play well.
NE@MIA - Best team in NFL vs. the worst. Lock of the week.
KC@OAK - Raiders return to earth. Top rookie Abrams out for the year.
NO@LAR - Talk about revenge.
PHI@ATL - I can't possibly see the Falcons play as bad as they did last week.

CLE@NYJ - This should be a decent game. Let's see who wakes up.
Thoughts on a few games:

ARI@BAL - The Ravens and Jackson will show Arizona how it's done.
DAL@WAS - As well as Dallas played last week, Washington looked good in a loss.
IND@TEN - Titans hold onto first place.
SEA@PIT - Steelers at home.
BUF@NYG - Bills hold onto first place...sort of. Eli will show he's finished against this D.
MIN@GB - Let's see if the Packers can continue to play well.
NE@MIA - Best team in NFL vs. the worst. Lock of the week.
KC@OAK - Raiders return to earth. Top rookie Abrams out for the year.
NO@LAR - Talk about revenge.
PHI@ATL - I can't possibly see the Falcons play as bad as they did last week.

CLE@NYJ - This should be a decent game. Let's see who wakes up.
No revenge with NO - but no one saw this injury coming to Brees. Brees seemed immune to injury - he's only missed one game to injury in the last 14 yrs! And if this turns out to be bad (it's the thumb on his throwing hand) and he's put on IR, then I think LA's season is essentially over. He's schedule for an MRI and staying in LA to see a specialist. Drew Lock had a similar injury to this thumb on his throwing hand during preseason (struck another player after releasing the throw) which resulted in a severe sprain and placement on the IR.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/15/drew-brees-injury-updates-quarterback-saints-rams

And Big Ben injuring his elbow in a "non-contact" incident? Wow...if he's getting injured just throwing a routine pass what does that say to his future (you don't see Brady throwing his elbow out). Like I said last week, when is Big Ben going to call it a career?
 
It's now reported that Taylor and Brown were in talks to reach a financial settlement last April, and very recently, Brown had a chance to sign the settlement, so that none of these charges would have come out.

On the one hand, this at least means Taylor didn't take action only recently, after Brown signed with the Patriots. This was going on while Brown was still with Pittsburgh. On the other hand, it makes it clear that it's all about money for her. She apparently never reported the rape or anything else to the police, and never would have said anything publicly about it if Brown had paid her off. Her statement about how hard it was to come out looks completely phony now, piggy-backing on the metro movement to serve her own interests. She went public with the charges only when it became clear Brown wasn't going to give her any money, and it was the only leverage she had. She never had any interest in criminal justice, or in her story being told to the public. Doesn't say much about her character, IMO.

Brown is either very confident he can win the case, or refused to sign the settlement out of pride, not wanting to admit defeat. But it could backfire on him. Before the alleged rape, Brown and Taylor went out, along with one of Brown's teammates. I wondered if he was with them when they returned to Brown's home and the rape supposedly occurred. It seems he was, and he now becomes a key witness, who will be talking to the NFL as well as Taylor. If he corroborates her story, Brown will not only lose the civil case and probably be gone from the NFL, but would face prison. Then again, the teammate himself could be in trouble if he knew or had reason to know a rape had occurred, and remained silent till now.

We also should know by now that if Brown did rape or sexually harass Taylor, it probably wasn't the first time with the first woman. The longer this case drags out, the better the chances that some other women come forward with their own stories, maybe as a genuine effort at confronting their feelings and finding closure, or maybe as their own attempt to get in on the money train.

This also is a reminder of how little NFL teams know about the backgrounds of their players. Aaron Sanchez had committed brutal assaults and murders when he was starring with the Patriots, and all of that might never have emerged if the police hadn't traced a car to his address. If Brown had signed the settlement with Taylor, he would playing with the Patriots with no one aware that he might be a rapist.

FWIW, Brown's stepfather has spoken out, and while admitting he knows nothing about the case, from what he knew about Brown when he raised him, "this doesn't surprise me."
This could well age worse that SHAD0W93's post.
 
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It's now reported that Taylor and Brown were in talks to reach a financial settlement last April, and very recently, Brown had a chance to sign the settlement, so that none of these charges would have come out.

On the one hand, this at least means Taylor didn't take action only recently, after Brown signed with the Patriots. This was going on while Brown was still with Pittsburgh. On the other hand, it makes it clear that it's all about money for her. She apparently never reported the rape or anything else to the police, and never would have said anything publicly about it if Brown had paid her off. Her statement about how hard it was to come out looks completely phony now, piggy-backing on the metro movement to serve her own interests. She went public with the charges only when it became clear Brown wasn't going to give her any money, and it was the only leverage she had. She never had any interest in criminal justice, or in her story being told to the public. Doesn't say much about her character, IMO.

Brown is either very confident he can win the case, or refused to sign the settlement out of pride, not wanting to admit defeat. But it could backfire on him. Before the alleged rape, Brown and Taylor went out, along with one of Brown's teammates. I wondered if he was with them when they returned to Brown's home and the rape supposedly occurred. It seems he was, and he now becomes a key witness, who will be talking to the NFL as well as Taylor. If he corroborates her story, Brown will not only lose the civil case and probably be gone from the NFL, but would face prison. Then again, the teammate himself could be in trouble if he knew or had reason to know a rape had occurred, and remained silent till now.

We also should know by now that if Brown did rape or sexually harass Taylor, it probably wasn't the first time with the first woman. The longer this case drags out, the better the chances that some other women come forward with their own stories, maybe as a genuine effort at confronting their feelings and finding closure, or maybe as their own attempt to get in on the money train.

This also is a reminder of how little NFL teams know about the backgrounds of their players. Aaron Sanchez had committed brutal assaults and murders when he was starring with the Patriots, and all of that might never have emerged if the police hadn't traced a car to his address. If Brown had signed the settlement with Taylor, he would playing with the Patriots with no one aware that he might be a rapist.

FWIW, Brown's stepfather has spoken out, and while admitting he knows nothing about the case, from what he knew about Brown when he raised him, "this doesn't surprise me."
You are putting it all on her. I wonder why victims don't come forward?! What if she was going to the police and ab's teams said 'please don't, it will destroy his career, we'll pay you off.'? If he raped her, she should get some of his money.
 
While watching three more sloppy games this weekend, I started wondering how NCAA teams can come out and look good week one, yet the millionaires in the NFL can't.

Who will be the first coach/GM/owner who will have the guts to prepare their team to come out of the gates ready to play? Is it a gamble? Yes, but the cotton ball strategy is a gamble too (it didn't pay off for NOLA or PIT).

SEA with another W. The O line better figure it out soon!
 
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No revenge with NO - but no one saw this injury coming to Brees. Brees seemed immune to injury - he's only missed one game to injury in the last 14 yrs! And if this turns out to be bad (it's the thumb on his throwing hand) and he's put on IR, then I think LA's season is essentially over. He's schedule for an MRI and staying in LA to see a specialist. Drew Lock had a similar injury to this thumb on his throwing hand during preseason (struck another player after releasing the throw) which resulted in a severe sprain and placement on the IR.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/15/drew-brees-injury-updates-quarterback-saints-rams

And Big Ben injuring his elbow in a "non-contact" incident? Wow...if he's getting injured just throwing a routine pass what does that say to his future (you don't see Brady throwing his elbow out). Like I said last week, when is Big Ben going to call it a career?
Worst case for Brees: Surgery for the ligament damage to his right thumb out for 6 weeks:
No revenge with NO - but no one saw this injury coming to Brees. Brees seemed immune to injury - he's only missed one game to injury in the last 14 yrs! And if this turns out to be bad (it's the thumb on his throwing hand) and he's put on IR, then I think LA's season is essentially over. He's schedule for an MRI and staying in LA to see a specialist. Drew Lock had a similar injury to this thumb on his throwing hand during preseason (struck another player after releasing the throw) which resulted in a severe sprain and placement on the IR.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/15/drew-brees-injury-updates-quarterback-saints-rams

And Big Ben injuring his elbow in a "non-contact" incident? Wow...if he's getting injured just throwing a routine pass what does that say to his future (you don't see Brady throwing his elbow out). Like I said last week, when is Big Ben going to call it a career?
Worst case for Brees: Surgery for the ligament damage to his thumb - out 6 weeks:


And if things couldn't get any worse for Big Ben; the "non-contact" injury to his elbow (possibly the UCL) will require season-ending surgery:


The season is only two weeks old and already 3 top QBs have gone down!
 
This could well age worse that SHAD0W93's post.
Well, the part about other women coming forward is aging very well:


But I guess we will have to wait to see if the one paragraph out of six that you and jm apparently object to is validated. You're always going to get severely criticized in an Internet forum if someone doesn't agree with 15% of what you say.
 
While watching three more sloppy games this weekend, I started wondering how NCAA teams can come out and look good week one, yet the millionaires in the NFL can't.
I know you know the answer to that question. NFL: not enough hitting and snaps/reps in the preseason by starters compared to NCAA. Example by Seattle's Iupati - I know he's been injured, but with zero snaps in the preseason games & held out of practice, it looked like he was about to vomit several times yesterday after the whistle. Or uninjured guys, how many reps & consecutive minutes do they get in preseason? Non-hitting minutes don't count.
 
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re Antonio Brown.
To the poster who said the accuser is full of schit, go to Deadspin dot com and read the text Antonio sent to her after the initial incident. Then come back and tell us what you think about a complete stranger.
She accuser is going to have a hard time proving here case, mainly because she went back to him after he did things to her--things which he basically admitted to in the text message, and things I don't wish to repeat--but those "things" are part of her case.
Let's say he is acquitted of the charges -- which is pretty likely--after reading the text message he sent to her, would you sign him to a contract?

Edited to add "The" not "She"
Her, not here. Sorry for the typos.
 

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