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Alpe d'Huez said:
Steelers Bengals was like a playoff game. Turnovers killed the Bengals, but credit Pittsburgh for that. I hope Watt is okay. I liked the way Burrow fought through his uneven play.

Raiders looked okay, Carr looked terrible. 3 ints, 3 fumbles, alone. Maybe the worst game of his career. I mean, Jarett Stidham looked considerably better in every way during the preseason. Chargers look good.

May be a league record week for turnovers. Way too many!

Chiefs look like they didn't miss a beat. Mahomes still great. Cards look like they still think it's the preseason.

Kirk Cousins looked like a completely different QB beating the Packers. New coaching regime benefitted him well. Packers looked just flat.

Cowboys offense looked terrible. Prescott apparently needs hand surgery. TB didn't even look great, but they won easily.

Liked Miami's win. The challenged Jones to throw deep, and he couldn't do it. Fins looks solid.

Loved how gritty the Lions looked. They may not actually suck this year. Yeah they lost, gave up way too many points, but against a stacked Eagles team, barely.

49ers offense looked terrible. Good thing they still have Jimmy G. :oops:
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Maybe two months for Dak.
Maybe the season for TJ Watt.
 
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Chiefs look like they didn't miss a beat. Mahomes still great.
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And that's why they're going to win the division - hands down (you have them as a WC contender? Lol). That was shellacking of the Cardinals on the road nonetheless - the Chiefs should be arrested for assault & battery. Lol. Good to see Clyde Edwards-Helaire in a breakout game catching 3 passes for 2 scores.
 
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I'd like to know the record for turnovers in a single NFL week. This week has to be it, or close to it. If not, at the rate MNF is going, the Seahawks and Broncos are going to do their very best to make sure of it. You'd think someone covered the footballs with vaseline. Love to see the Seahawks pull out an upset. Would put an exclamation point on this wacky week 1 (most seasons have a wacky week 1).

Lots of overreactions after week 1, of course, but the one that I think will stick is the Cowboys are really headed in a bad direction. I tried watching as much as I could, and while plenty of teams played bad (Arizona, NY Jets) and some teams really underperformed (GB, SF, NE), the one team that really played bad, and it doesn't look like that will change, was Dallas. Their future looks pretty bleak. Not only did they lose their best offensive player, and leader, with a very mediocre backup, their entire team looked really flat and uninspired. Their offense could get no more than 3 points on the board, all day. One single FG, that's it. They were supposed to have an improved defense, ready to take on the league, Dan Quinn was returning to Dallas and his guys were ready to play for him. But time and again when it mattered, they couldn't cover, couldn't tackle. Brady spread the ball out to seven receivers, six of them getting at least 2 catches. The game looked much worse than 19-3. It looked more like 39-3, as the Bucs weren't completely in sync either.

The NFC East is supposed to be a fairly weak division, with the 'Boys having a chance to win it. But all three other teams looked much better, much more prepared, much more motivated. Dallas also has a slew of tough games coming up where Cooper Rush is going to have to lead them. They could come out of this about the time Dak comes back with a record of 2-8. The "easiest" games here are Giants, Washington, Detroit, and Chicago. But those teams which looked like "gimmies" in years past, seem on solid upward trends. No longer walk overs. Detroits offense, and Chicago's D both looked very impressive. Even Carson Wentz looked like he really fit into Washington's offense.

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Seattle with the upset helped out by Broncos turnovers and being unable to score when they got within the 10. I would definitely question the head coaches decision to go for a 61 yard field goal when you have 3 timeouts that late in the game. You can go for it on fourth and if you don’t get it, can still get a stop or turnover. A lot more chance to win in my opinion vs going for the field goal and than be petty by using the timeouts at the end.

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And that's why they're going to win the division - hands down (you have them as a WC contender? Lol). That was shellacking of the Cardinals on the road nonetheless - the Chiefs should be arrested for assault & battery. Lol. Good to see Clyde Edwards-Helaire in a breakout game catching 3 passes for 2 scores.
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Yes, because the division theoretically got better while last year the majority of the year the offense was performing below their standards and being helped by the defense with stops and turnovers on top of playing against weaker offenses while their own offense was playing worse. If Rodgers played vs Chiefs and Chargers head coach didn’t choose the aggression vs points that would have won the team the game the Chiefs would have been wild card last year.
 
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Broncos fumbled twice in the red zone and with that lost the game. The terrible clock management and decision making in the final two minutes wouldn’t have happened. I think the game could have been over by mid 4th certainly.
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There are multiple points in most games that "it could have been over", but only the ones in the 4th quarter get discussed. You can't say "if they wouldn't have fumbled" because they did, plus if they would have gone in for a score, you can do another what if: what if SEA drives down the field and matches that TD? I play the what if game in my head a lot too (there are 20, 50, what ifs per game, maybe more), but in they end what ifs aren't relevant.

What if DEN's clock management would have been different? They could have: scored, gotten closer to scoring, not scored, still missed the field goal, fumbled, thrown a pick 6...
 
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There are multiple points in most games that "it could have been over", but only the ones in the 4th quarter get discussed. You can't say "if they wouldn't have fumbled" because they did, plus if they would have gone in for a score, you can do another what if: what if SEA drives down the field and matches that TD? I play the what if game in my head a lot too (there are 20, 50, what ifs per game, maybe more), but in they end what ifs aren't relevant.

What if DEN's clock management would have been different? They could have: scored, gotten closer to scoring, not scored, still missed the field goal, fumbled, thrown a pick 6...
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I think ifs matter when it’s an obviously better team but both teams last night were even in my opinion. Even with the offense looking bad-decent, I’d rather go for it on 4th when I have 3 timeouts and over a minute left then run the clock down and kick a 60 yarder.
 
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It would have been a 64 yarder. There has only been 10 kicks in NFL history over 60 yards. And just ONE from 64 yards, Matt Prater, in Denver, and it barely made it. Supposedly McManus has kicked the ball through the uprights from over 70 yards, in Denver, in practice.

So, WTF was the coach thinking? You trade away most of your future for a likely HOF quarterback, a guy with a history of both leadership, and some real clutch playing (plus a SB ring) and you take the ball out of his hands to try a 64 yard FG?

Credit to Seattle. Their defense held up when it mattered most, and Geno had a pretty decent game against a good defense. Easy to see now why Pete stuck with him and didn't trade for Jimmy G.

Edit: The great Justin Tucker hit one from 66 yards that hit the crossbar. Hackett must have been inspired by that. :nomouth:
 
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Yes, because the division theoretically got better while last year the majority of the year the offense was performing below their standards and being helped by the defense with stops and turnovers on top of playing against weaker offenses while their own offense was playing worse. If Rodgers played vs Chiefs and Chargers head coach didn’t choose the aggression vs points that would have won the team the game the Chiefs would have been wild card last year.
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Sure, the division was better with the improvement of the Chargers & Raiders, but you're playing the "what if" game. I'll give you the Packer's win if Rodgers had played but you can't undermine the Chief's win over the Chargers just because their coach didn't attempt FGs instead of going for it on those 4th downs. Give the Chiefs some credit for stopping the Chargers on those 4th & short attempts. Furthermore, the Chiefs were 5-1 & owned the division. Don't forget in the playoffs they hung 42 on both the Steelers & the Bills before losing a close one to the Bengals in the championship game. The offense wasn't as bad as you claim - the Chiefs were the 4th best team in total O last year. Granted, Mahomes had somewhat of a down year compared to previous seasons throwing more pics than previous years but still tied his career-best completion percentage.

Barring injury to Mahomes, I think they'll win 12 or 13 & take the division. I see them playing the Bills in the championship game with an equal chance of winning the game. The Mahomes - Reid connection is one the best ever QB/HC combinations.
 
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Broncos fumbled twice in the red zone and with that lost the game. The terrible clock management and decision making in the final two minutes wouldn’t have happened. I think the game could have been over by mid 4th certainly.
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Sure, the division was better with the improvement of the Chargers & Raiders, but you're playing the "what if" game. I'll give you the Packer's win if Rodgers had played but you can't undermine the Chief's win over the Chargers just because their coach didn't attempt FGs instead of going for it on those 4th downs. Give the Chiefs some credit for stopping the Chargers on those 4th & short attempts. Furthermore, the Chiefs were 5-1 & owned the division. Don't forget in the playoffs they hung 42 on both the Steelers & the Bills before losing a close one to the Bengals in the championship game. The offense wasn't as bad as you claim - the Chiefs were the 4th best team in total O last year. Granted, Mahomes had somewhat of a down year compared to previous seasons throwing more pics than previous years but still tied his career-best completion percentage.

Barring injury to Mahomes, I think they'll win 12 or 13 & take the division. I see them playing the Bills in the championship game with an equal chance of winning the game. The Mahomes - Reid connection is one the best ever QB/HC combinations.
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No, the offense was that bad. The only time they scored a lot of points was playing against bad defenses, which helped their points per game. Otherwise the defense was helping the offense tremendously with holding teams to low scores and the turnovers. Mahomes’s interceptions were always there for the taking, the Chiefs had luck they were incomplete or flags before. Otherwise the offense was struggling, period before coming back together just before the playoffs. They had 9 games last year where the offense was bad to decent, not including some of their high scoring games when the defense had plenty of turnovers to help them out. It’s not crazy to think the rest of the division got that much better on top of them looking like they did offensively with losing Hill when he had been such a crutch player to throw it too previously alongside Kelce. Heck the Broncos with a better quarterback just might beat them both times last year with the way the offense was playing. Obviously it’s game 1, but they’re looking like they’ve overcome it so far. But this is also the same team that dismantled the Patriots week 1 and fell apart as it progressed and got field goal kicked to death by the Steelers.
 
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Nomad said:
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Oh Hackett definitely made a meal of it, what I am saying is that they had two red zone fumbles way before that. Thankfully things clicked for the Seahawks in the second half because the offense was lackluster, to say the least.
 
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No, the offense was that bad. The only time they scored a lot of points was playing against bad defenses, which helped their points per game. Otherwise the defense was helping the offense tremendously with holding teams to low scores and the turnovers. Mahomes’s interceptions were always there for the taking, the Chiefs had luck they were incomplete or flags before. Otherwise the offense was struggling, period before coming back together just before the playoffs. They had 9 games last year where the offense was bad to decent, not including some of their high scoring games when the defense had plenty of turnovers to help them out. It’s not crazy to think the rest of the division got that much better on top of them looking like they did offensively with losing Hill when he had been such a crutch player to throw it too previously alongside Kelce. Heck the Broncos with a better quarterback just might beat them both times last year with the way the offense was playing. Obviously it’s game 1, but they’re looking like they’ve overcome it so far. But this is also the same team that dismantled the Patriots week 1 and fell apart as it progressed and got field goal kicked to death by the Steelers.
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Thought the Chiefs offense took a step backwards last season and now they have lost Hill as well. Going to be interesting but I can see why the Bills are the SB favourites GB lost their biggest weapon, the 49ers are in a QB transition and there are also some questions about three or four other teams including the Rams who have a QB with an elbow issue who also lost three good players.
 
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Turns out Nathaniel Hackett was the GB OC would decided to kick the field goal against TB down 8. And knew that the team was going for the field goal that series of 4 downs and didn’t have McManus warning up on the side or the kicking team ready to go out on the field to save their timeout. Heck, if you run the kicking team out there on fourth down right after third down ended Carroll might just use a timeout for you to stop a penalty from confusion, giving you the time to figure it out with your 3 timeouts still or a new set of downs. It is alleged he is already on the hot seat according to news out of Denver area which might be the earliest timeframe ever for a head coach.
 
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That short of a leash in Denver for Hackett? This reminds me of Al Davis in his final years of senility going through Callahan, Turner, Shell, Kiffen, Cable, in what seems like just a couple seasons. :oops:

I think we need to see more games from GB, Denver, LAR, and yes even KC and Buffalo, before we either write them off, or crown them champions. The only team I saw this week that convinced me they are in real trouble is Dallas.
 
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