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[jmdirt]

I think broken ribs are not uncommon with CPR especially with children. Not sure about sternum injuries. Can't remember what site I read about the sternum injury. But good to hear he has made some progress.

Actually the: "you will break ribs when you do chest compressions" is not accurate. More often the sternum is fractured. That also goes back to being specific about what is meant by sternal fracture. The sternum body isn't usually fractured during CPR, but the area around the cartilage is, and/or the cartilage itself is torn. If you look at it, it would be difficult to break ribs if compressions are done correctly because the cartilage that connects the ribs to the sternum will give and then tear before a rib will break, the shape of the ribs allows give, and the intercostal tissue allows a bit of movement.

FYI: I have given CPR twice in my life (one child, one adult), and both times I felt the crackle/pop of cartilage damage that many refer to as ribs breaking.

FYI 2: I have a displaced xiphoid process from a high speed trip over the bars. It is considered a sternal fracture.

Disclaimer, I don't know 'Prime Medical Training' it was just the first that popped up for CPR trainnig Q&A.
https://www.primemedicaltraining.com/does-cpr-break-ribs/

EDIT: Since this was already a WAY to long reply, I'll keep going: My first CPR instructor (1983) told us that if you break ribs, you need more practice, but you might still save a life. The CPR instructors in the Army had the take that if you aren't breaking ribs you are doing it wrong. Since then, all of my instructors (the same ones many times) stress correct hand placement to prevent doing further damage.

Its also worth pointing out that sternal/rib/chest damage is common in auto accidents prior to CPR even starting (yep, even with air bags).

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I think the NFL did the right decision on both canceling the game, but also with the neutral site decisions. Very fair, and forward thinking on their part. For all the league's problems, the get a hell of a lot of things right.

I actually think the Bills players will be fine, same with the Bengals. This is especially true now that Hamlin is alert and has spoken to teammates on FaceTime. One series on the field and the players will be in the moment. This was a hyper rare freak occurrence. Not likely to happen again in our lifetimes.

I would possibly be in support of a total bye week after the regular season, before the WC round. Regular season ends, everyone gets a week off. The key problem with this, is that it means the team that gets HFA sits for two weeks, which may be a disadvantage.

I'm also on the record of having two bye weeks during the regular season (the league tried this once years ago), with a rule that a team can only play on a Thursday night after they have had a bye week. This will also be an absolute must if/when the league goes to 18 games.

 

[jmdirt]

I think the NFL did the right decision on both canceling the game, but also with the neutral site decisions. Very fair, and forward thinking on their part. For all the league's problems, the get a hell of a lot of things right.

I actually think the Bills players will be fine, same with the Bengals. This is especially true now that Hamlin is alert and has spoken to teammates on FaceTime. One series on the field and the players will be in the moment. This was a hyper rare freak occurrence. Not likely to happen again in our lifetimes.

I would possibly be in support of a total bye week after the regular season, before the WC round. Regular season ends, everyone gets a week off. The key problem with this, is that it means the team that gets HFA sits for two weeks, which may be a disadvantage.

I'm also on the record of having two bye weeks during the regular season (the league tried this once years ago), with a rule that a team can only play on a Thursday night after they have had a bye week. This will also be an absolute must if/when the league goes to 18 games.

Hamlin speaking to the team should be huge for helping players (BUF + CIN) feel ready to play this weekend (note: I did not say it will erase what they witnessed).

Good points about bye weeks.

 

[Oldermanish]

Actually the: "you will break ribs when you do chest compressions" is not accurate. More often the sternum is fractured. That also goes back to being specific about what is meant by sternal fracture. The sternum body isn't usually fractured during CPR, but the area around the cartilage is, and/or the cartilage itself is torn. If you look at it, it would be difficult to break ribs if compressions are done correctly because the cartilage that connects the ribs to the sternum will give and then tear before a rib will break, the shape of the ribs allows give, and the intercostal tissue allows a bit of movement.

FYI: I have given CPR twice in my life (one child, one adult), and both times I felt the crackle/pop of cartilage damage that many refer to as ribs breaking.

FYI 2: I have a displaced xiphoid process from a high speed trip over the bars. It is considered a sternal fracture.

Disclaimer, I don't know 'Prime Medical Training' it was just the first that popped up for CPR trainnig Q&A.
https://www.primemedicaltraining.com/does-cpr-break-ribs/

EDIT: Since this was already a WAY to long reply, I'll keep going: My first CPR instructor (1983) told us that if you break ribs, you need more practice, but you might still save a life. The CPR instructors in the Army had the take that if you aren't breaking ribs you are doing it wrong. Since then, all of my instructors (the same ones many times) stress correct hand placement to prevent doing further damage.

Its also worth pointing out that sternal/rib/chest damage is common in auto accidents prior to CPR even starting (yep, even with air bags).

And along with that likely side-effect of CPR; the impact looked like he could have hit the solar-plexus. Combining a play-ending max pulse rate with a sudden/forceful loss of all lung capacity would have dropped any cyclist like a rock, too. He could've stroked deeply if the rapid response hadn't revived him. That's a rare combination of circumstance that would probably keep me in the game after recovery since it's so rare.

 

[movingtarget]

https://www.nfl.com/news/broncos-granted-permission-from-saints-to-interview-sean-payton

 

[jmdirt]

Early game: not that entertaining.

Late game: entertaining but strange.

 

[movingtarget]

Chiefs game over early. Raiders couldn't repeat last week's performance. Titans started well but the Jags did enough. Titans really need to get their QB situation sorted out just like the Colts, Raiders, Commies,Texans, Falcons and maybe the Panthers although Darnold has looked better this time around..............

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Disappointing game by the Raiders. Unreal amount of claptrap out there from Raiders fans. So many want everyone fired, everyone cut, etc. etc. These kind of fans would have Daniel Snyder own the team, and Snyder couldn't threaten and fire people quick enough for them.

While I've been a supporter of Jacksonville, they barely got past at run down Titans team. They're probably going to host the Chargers, maybe the Ravens, and going to have a tough time. Good game though.

The more I look at the NFL's decision, the more the Bengals got the short end of the stick. Might find myself cheering for them to run the table because of it.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Honestly I hope the Bills and Chiefs play the neutral site at CIN if they make AFCGG so the NFL trolls everyone.

Chiefs emoting on Raiders was terrible, yet funny.

 

[jmdirt]

Disappointing game by the Raiders. Unreal amount of claptrap out there from Raiders fans. So many want everyone fired, everyone cut, etc. etc. These kind of fans would have Daniel Snyder own the team, and Snyder couldn't threaten and fire people quick enough for them.

While I've been a supporter of Jacksonville, they barely got past at run down Titans team. They're probably going to host the Chargers, maybe the Ravens, and going to have a tough time. Good game though.

The more I look at the NFL's decision, the more the Bengals got the short end of the stick. Might find myself cheering for them to run the table because of it.

I like the endzone celebration coin toss message sent to the NFL by Mixon.

 

[jmdirt]

Hines with TWO KO returns for 6!!

 

[Unchained]

Sea....hawks!!!

 

[movingtarget]

Dolphins scrape in. Hawks fans cheering for Detroit...........

 

[movingtarget]

As expected the NFC twists and turns went to the very end. A few weeks ago I thought the Hawks were done. Same with the Dolphins in the AFC. More upsets next week, wouldn't surprise, with the way things have been going in the past month or so. The feeling after the Lions game seemed to indicate that that was the end for Rodgers at least at Green Bay.

 

[BullsFan22]

I thought the Lions had a good shot, given how well they’ve played the second half of the season, but to actually do it in Green Bay, in a cold January night, with the playoffs on the line for the Packers and the (predictably) biased refs…big win for them, even without a playoff berth. They deserve it.

And what a season for the Seahawks as well! Most people had them winning only 3, 4 games, yet here they are. 9 wins (2 more than last season), a playoff spot, a pro bowl qb, a pro bowl kicker, possible defensive and offensive rookies of the year, perhaps even a coach of the year, AND a top 5 pick via underperforming Broncos, plus other good draft order picks they get from the Broncos, and the space/money they freed with the Wilson trade. The future is bright for the Seahawks!!!

 

[Oldermanish]

I thought the Lions had a good shot, given how well they’ve played the second half of the season, but to actually do it in Green Bay, in a cold January night, with the playoffs on the line for the Packers and the (predictably) biased refs…big win for them, even without a playoff berth. They deserve it.

And what a season for the Seahawks as well! Most people had them winning only 3, 4 games, yet here they are. 9 wins (2 more than last season), a playoff spot, a pro bowl qb, a pro bowl kicker, possible defensive and offensive rookies of the year, perhaps even a coach of the year, AND a top 5 pick via underperforming Broncos, plus other good draft order picks they get from the Broncos, and the space/money they freed with the Wilson trade. The future is bright for the Seahawks!!!

The long future is bright. They can enjoy a week of light practice; they know what SF will be like. It won't go well if Geno and Metcalf don't get their timing tighter. He's had pickoffs by DBs he doesn't seem to see....
Fortunately the D was stellar! Definitely a positive sign for next season. Thanks to a great Lions win as their Defense put down the hammer when it counted and, as many suggest; sent a franchise QB to his next team.
The NFL has to love this parity.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

The future does look bright for both Detroit, and Seattle. Just not next weekend "future" for Seattle.

To the accolades for Seattle. I'd definitely vote for John Schneider for exec of the year. His fleecing of the Broncos was the best deal in the last 30 years of the league.

Still can't believe all the "experts" who are ready for Detroit to take a QB with their high draft pick. Or think Goff is a flash in the pan, maybe they can eek out one more season from him. That kind of nonsense. He's 28, and playing the best of his career. Top 10, even top 5, in some categories. Unreal how many people dismiss the guy, because of last year under a dysfunctional offense, or his last messy year in LA?

Some early picks for next week:

SEA@SF - I can't see the Seahawks winning. But they won't go down without a fight. I'm most curious to see how they attack Purdy. I'm sure Pete has a plan.
NYG@MIN - This should be fun. I'm sure the Vikings will be up for it to prove something, at home. Not sure how healthy the Giants are, but by the numbers, they match up well.
DAL@TB - Neither team needed to win this week, but both laid an egg. I've been talking about Dallas lately, but Dak continues to try to play hero ball, make the biggest throw on most plays, and forcing throws. If they are not careful it's going to turn into an achilles for that team. The good news is, Tampa isn't really very good, period. If Dallas wins, and they focus on the run, they could go to Philly in a week and in bad weather grind out an upset. We'll see.

MIA@BUF - They have given us two really entertaining games this season, but the Dolphins are running on fumes. And the weather forecast a week out calls for cold, wind, and snow flurries in Buffalo.

BAL@CIN - In the past the Ravens had been able to beat the Bengals with consistency. Right now, I think the Bengals are the best team in the NFL. And they'll have an axe to grind, as this may be their last home game of the season, out of their control.

LAC@JAX - I liked the way the Jags played down the stretch. They just look more like a team for 2024 or so. The Chargers played better down the stretch. In fact, outside of a few crummy games early on, they've played better than their 10-7 record, and look like a threat for any team.

 

[movingtarget]

The future does look bright for both Detroit, and Seattle. Just not next weekend "future" for Seattle.

To the accolades for Seattle. I'd definitely vote for John Schneider for exec of the year. His fleecing of the Broncos was the best deal in the last 30 years of the league.

Still can't believe all the "experts" who are ready for Detroit to take a QB with their high draft pick. Or think Goff is a flash in the pan, maybe they can eek out one more season from him. That kind of nonsense. He's 28, and playing the best of his career. Top 10, even top 5, in some categories. Unreal how many people dismiss the guy, because of last year under a dysfunctional offense, or his last messy year in LA?

Some early picks for next week:

SEA@SF - I can't see the Seahawks winning. But they won't go down without a fight. I'm most curious to see how they attack Purdy. I'm sure Pete has a plan.
NYG@MIN - This should be fun. I'm sure the Vikings will be up for it to prove something, at home. Not sure how healthy the Giants are, but by the numbers, they match up well.
DAL@TB - Neither team needed to win this week, but both laid an egg. I've been talking about Dallas lately, but Dak continues to try to play hero ball, make the biggest throw on most plays, and forcing throws. If they are not careful it's going to turn into an achilles for that team. The good news is, Tampa isn't really very good, period. If Dallas wins, and they focus on the run, they could go to Philly in a week and in bad weather grind out an upset. We'll see.

MIA@BUF - They have given us two really entertaining games this season, but the Dolphins are running on fumes. And the weather forecast a week out calls for cold, wind, and snow flurries in Buffalo.

BAL@CIN - In the past the Ravens had been able to beat the Bengals with consistency. Right now, I think the Bengals are the best team in the NFL. And they'll have an axe to grind, as this may be their last home game of the season, out of their control.

LAC@JAX - I liked the way the Jags played down the stretch. They just look more like a team for 2024 or so. The Chargers played better down the stretch. In fact, outside of a few crummy games early on, they've played better than their 10-7 record, and look like a threat for any team.

Rain forecast for the 49ers game. Could be a grind out with the running backs for both teams. Kittle could be the game breaker, he can't stop scoring at the moment.

Clash of styles should make an interesting Vikings game.

Not convinced by Dallas or TB, might come down to the final drive.

Think Buffalo will be too strong for Miami and Miami might have lost Mostert. They will need some offensive magic from McDaniels......

Think the Bengals have been building nicely for the playoffs. Be surprised to see them lose.

Williams and Ekler's consistency will be hard for the Jags to stop.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I liked Bengals taunting the NFL as well considering they were getting the short end of the stick!!

A great win and end to the year for Lions. They really play their heart out for big DC. They knew they weren’t playing for anything besides ruining Packers chances and they still played heart and hard for the team. We’ve seen plenty of times before other teams falter and loses. Lions were the better team and deserved to win. I loved how aggressive they played and their unorthodox play calling. Who does a hook and lateral at the NFL level. That’s something Chiefs or Pats of old would do when they’re destroying you. While it did stink they got the flags called, those were penalties that negated two huge plays. Rodgers again started ignoring his open, younger receivers to force the ball. I didn’t like the Packers letting their frustration out on defense on the Lions second to last drive, elbowing the falling Lions player in the face on purpose on top of them having two players push and shove the Lions athletic trainer. There was no reason for that. Also at the end of the game, they focused on Rodgers for far too long instead of the team that actually won. People hate on Brady for leaving right away but he doesn’t take the camera away from the winner. It also looked like Rodgers was saying goodbye, and had a lot more of that feeling.

DAL@TB - Neither team needed to win this week, but both laid an egg. I've been talking about Dallas lately, but Dak continues to try to play hero ball, make the biggest throw on most plays, and forcing throws. If they are not careful it's going to turn into an achilles for that team. The good news is, Tampa isn't really very good, period. If Dallas wins, and they focus on the run, they could go to Philly in a week and in bad weather grind out an upset. We'll see.

While I agree with the other picks, I don’t see how Cowboys and Bucs laid the same egg. One team played their starters almost the full game, the other pulled theirs before the half while pulling players each series. Bucs moved the ball last time, they just couldn’t convert in the red zone. Team still can’t convert but they did get a red zone touchdown. Like @movingtarget said, it’ll come down to the final possession of both teams I think. If Bucs are within 14-17 I think they can come back in the fourth. They’re 4-4 on their comebacks, only problem is those comebacks weren’t against winning teams. Even bigger, Brady’s first losing season as a starter! Brady and Rodgers finished the season with the same record again, who knows how many times but the first as a losing season for both. The present/future is slowly but surely catching up to the last two great quarterbacks from the 00s.

Dolphins vs Bills will play like 2016 at PIT if Tua isn’t back to play

 

[Eyeballs Out]

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Still can't believe all the "experts" who are ready for Detroit to take a QB with their high draft pick. Or think Goff is a flash in the pan, maybe they can eek out one more season from him. That kind of nonsense. He's 28, and playing the best of his career. Top 10, even top 5, in some categories. Unreal how many people dismiss the guy, because of last year under a dysfunctional offense, or his last messy year in LA?
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I'd be siding with the "experts" here I think. If there was a bona fide QB prospect at pick #6 (very questionable) then I'd definitely go that way. But there will be other options - going to be a lot of QBs on the market.

Since they took on the Goff salary dump (essentially swapping big money for a high draft pick), this is the first offseason where they can cheaply move on from him. He's actually not that expensive to keep now either (25m cap hit for 2023) - you could live with that. The fact that they have rehabilitated him somewhat does make me wonder what his trade value would be - if I could get a high draft pick for him I'd do it. Even judged just on this year and ignoring the last few years, he's an average-at-best starter in my view. The Lions' offensive line has become one of the best in the league which has helped to mask how bad he is under pass rush pressure. Watching him last night also reminded me of one of his other issues - it was cold but not that cold, he was still wearing gloves and the ball wasn't coming out with any velocity. Fortunately they play 10+ games a year in a dome

 

[Eyeballs Out]

Also, got to join in the tribute to Pete Carroll and John Schneider for having Seattle anywhere near the playoffs in what was expected to be a rebuild season. Pete Carroll is probably one of the worst game managers of all head coaches but game management is probably a bit overrated because, as fans, that's all we see. I don't think there is anyone else who comes close in having his players ready to run through a brick wall for him

 

[jmdirt]

SEA with the win! In the playoffs!

The O line has got to be better (shocking how often I type that). LAR pushed the O line back at least a yard on most plays.

Smith made an amazing pass to Locket for the TD (a pass that some QBs never make in their career), yet also throws some of the worst balls in the history of the game. No matter what though, he is sooo much better than I expected.

DK needs to get better, and also grow up. His poke at Ramsey could have cost SEA the game. The refs might have let it go because they tend to let 'slight retaliation' after a QB hit go (or they might not have seen it).

 

[Nomad]

LAC@JAX - I liked the way the Jags played down the stretch. They just look more like a team for 2024 or so. The Chargers played better down the stretch. In fact, outside of a few crummy games early on, they've played better than their 10-7 record, and look like a threat for any team.

I like the Jags now & they're probably the hottest team going into the playoffs. Hard to believe this team was 4-8 in week #13 & reeled off 5 straight including wins against Dallas & Tennessee (twice). And Lawrence is playing his best football of his short career in those last 5 games: 68 pct, only 2 picks & RTG of 100.6. You can see the confidence & leadership he has on the field that wasn't present earlier in the year. I liked his post-game interview with Lisa Saulter where he talked about how he needed to play much better & gain the confidence of team given the expectations of a top drafted QB. The kid seems very mature & level-headed for his age.

And what was Staley thinking playing the starters in an absolutely meaningless game where if the Chargers won they wouldn't improve their seeding at all. As a consequence, Williams had to be carted off the field & carried onto the team bus after the game. If he can't go against the Jags, this is a huge blow to the Charger O. And Williams has had injuries problems all season - why not let him sit out this meaningless game & rest for the playoffs? You've got to wonder at times if there is any intelligent life with some of these HCs. Lol

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[Nomad]

WTH? Andy Reid's football follies? Lol

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[Unchained]

Gotta say can't remember seeing unforced errors the obvious make or break in so many games.. and during Detroit game commentators constantly reminders of " young players " " rookie "..pushing the medical staff? Whaaat..and jumping offiside in last 2 minutes!!
The overview of the year under Geno Smith and what he did as quarterback is amazing.. seeing the post game reaction from Aaron Rodgers.. kind of eerie.. Did Brady stay too long?
Did Chargers push a game to much and damage players and hopes? And when I heard that Bears QB Justin Fields was the most sacked in the NFL.. not surprising but the fact that he didn't go out early with an injury was a surprise.
Moment of truth for Dolphins, NFL..will they play a quarterback with multiple head injuries in 5 weeks?