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[movingtarget]

KC cut MVS. They need to improve their WR room.

Jets OK Wislon to look for trades (the nice way to cut him). Why would a team trade for him? I'd take a late round/undrafted gamble before I trade for ZW.

He will end up as as a QB 3 on some team like Lance and not through a trade unless he's part of a package deal with others. The Rodgers support for him hasn't lasted long................

 

[SHAD0W93]

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46 year old Brady faster than 22 yr old version.

 

[Nomad]

Kansas City Chiefs Should Be Embarrassed After Getting Multiple “F” Grades On NFLPA Report Card As Several Concerning Issues Arise

The Kansas City Chiefs have gotten multiple poor scores on their NFLPA report card following their Super Bowl-winning season.

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Team might have got many Ds and Fs but all that did was motivate them to win the Super Bowl.

WTH? These glorified high-priced athletes are complaining about the conditions of the locker room & training facilities? Lol. Now I've heard everything. Why don't these multi-millionaires just all chip in a little bit of their big salaries and upgrade the facilities themselves? It's not like a few hundred thousand from each of the players is going to break them & put them out on the street. Lol.

Stuff like this is disgusting when look at the kind of dough these guys make make for just "playing a game." The average salaries in this league is insane:

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[Nomad]

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46 year old Brady faster than 22 yr old version.

I wonder if 40 year old Rodgers is faster than his 22 year old version? Lol

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

There are so many pre draft predictions that I've lost track, but Alpe, I just saw one that had JJ Mc going to LVR in the first round. If they could get him in the 4th or 5th round OK, but 1st? Aiden O needs some competition in camp, but reaching to the first round for it?

I'm guessing he'll go in the first round. But he also has "overdrafted" written all over him if you ask me. He's too thin, arguably too young, hasn't played enough games, rarely played from behind his entire NCAA career, and was on a stacked team. But he has an NFL arm and won a championship, so someone will take him in the 1st round. I don't think the Raiders will, but who knows.

This isn't the most popular Raider view but I think they should try to find some vet to complete with O'Connell, and put more money and picks into the OL and DL. Or, if they really do want a top QB, then put everything down on 00, spin the wheel, trade everything away to get the #1 or #2 pick.

If the Raiders were to draft him with their 1st round pick - this undoubtedly would be a move for a franchise QB. He wouldn't be brought in to give O'Connor any competition - he'd be the starter day 1 and excepted to start performing right away.

Probably. I'm guessing he'd be anointed the #1, and if he didn't play well at all in the pre-season, expected to sit a few games at most. I personally think he could benefit from sitting an entire season (and gaining 15lbs of muscle), but if he's taken #12 in the draft, he'll be expected to start very soon, by whomever that team is.

This is the new frontier & landscape of 1st rd drafted QBs...Owners are impatient with their investments - they expect immediate results & success with their franchise QBs.

This, exactly. More owners are like David Tepper than not, it's just that Tepper shows it for all to see. Even quirky, "laid-back" Mark Davis would expect to see JJ on the field soon into year one, unless he was crap in the pre-season, O'Connell took a step up, and the Raiders started 5-2 or so with Aiden playing very well.

Jets OK Wislon to look for trades (the nice way to cut him). Why would a team trade for him? I'd take a late round/undrafted gamble before I trade for ZW.

Someone will sign him to sit on their bench, in the same way someone will sign Jamis Winston, Trevor Simeon,

Toney next and I heard they’re going to franchise Sneed and trade him if he’s asking too much.

They gave him permission to find a trade, which I thought was interesting. I figured KC would get a deal done with Chris Jones after his MVP playoff year, it will cost them at least $25m a year, but he's their cornerstone. I figured they would then franchise Sneed. This made the most sense to me, as these are the two guys on D I figured they wouldn't want to lose. But what do I know?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

WTH? These glorified high-priced athletes are complaining about the conditions of the locker room & training facilities? Lol. Now I've heard everything. Why don't these multi-millionaires just all chip in a little bit of their big salaries and upgrade the facilities themselves?

I agree it's absurd, but why should the players pay? Why don't the owners? Do you pay for furniture in the break room at your job? Look at the full scorecard, some owners definitely pay the money to do it. Most of the owners are billionaires too, and the upgrades would be like pennies to them.

But I agree none of them have much of anything to complain about and this whole rating is a laughable charade when it comes to things like facilities, nutritionists, supervised on-site child care services. Jesus, just look at how many people there are in this country who are working, but are still so poor they can still barely afford to eat. Some of them probably work at the concessions and clean up the bleachers in these golden castle like stadiums after games... I'll stop here before I get on a really high horse.

Stuff like this is disgusting when look at the kind of dough these guys make make for just "playing a game." The average salaries in this league is insane.

I actually think everyone is guilty here. Owners, players, everyone. The entire damn league. There is indeed an insane amount of money involved. It borders on sickening. It bothers me so much at times I've thought of no longer watching or supporting the league.

On that note, the UFL starts March 30th! I'll post more info soon...

 

[jmdirt]

I actually think everyone is guilty here. Owners, players, everyone. The entire damn league. There is indeed an insane amount of money involved. It borders on sickening. It bothers me so much at times I've thought of no longer watching or supporting the league.

It doesn't boarder on sickening, it is full on sickening...repulsive.

 

[jmdirt]

I'm guessing he'll go in the first round. But he also has "overdrafted" written all over him if you ask me. He's too thin, arguably too young, hasn't played enough games, rarely played from behind his entire NCAA career, and was on a stacked team. But he has an NFL arm and won a championship, so someone will take him in the 1st round. I don't think the Raiders will, but who knows.

I can't imagine that he won't go in the first round. My point was that LVR shouldn't take him in the first round. They need to find a gem in the later rounds, and keep developing AO. They need to spend wisely. Fields keeps getting metioned with LVR too which I don't think is wise either.

 

[jmdirt]

Out of the last 45 QBs drafted in the first round, only 11 have realy panned out. Based on their list I would add Tua, plus Love might get added to the list if he continues to get better at the rate he did at the end of 23.

Not exactly a great percent.

I can't get the link to post...I'll work on that.

2024 NFL Draft: Regrading every first-round QB pick of last 15 years, from Justin Fields to Mark Sanchez

From a home run to a miss, here's how we grade them

www.cbssports.com

They were tallking baout this on the radio on my drive this AM.

This leaves out some pretty good QBs who came out of other rounds obviously, but the point is the poor percentage of success from the first round.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Out of the last 45 QBs drafted in the first round, only 11 have realy panned out. Based on their list I would add Tua, plus Love might get added to this list after next year if he continues to get better).

There are more links out there showing the same. One guy even posted a video on YouTube looking at some pretty raw numbers. It's a risk, and QBs are more overdrafted than anyone. But as I've said 20 times, fans, even GMs, scouts get enamored with a guy who does well in college and sees a player who never failed in the NFL and get giddy.

Even if you look at the top winning QBs, or playoff QBs from the last 2 years, it's still hit and miss. Some guys drafted #1. Some in later rounds. Some started right away. Others sat a little, or more. A "winning draft formula" is impossible to find. But my best guess just looking at a lot of names and numbers seems to be people who are drafted 1st round, but not at the top, sit a little, or aren't asked to do much at first, seem to perform best, generally. This applies to Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Tua. Might as well toss Love in there too. There are of course exceptions to this. Burrow, Goff, Purdy, etc. But doesn't apply to Herbert, Fields, Watson, Rosen.

Don't forget, I said, "guess", "seem to", and "generally".

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Fields keeps getting mentioned with LVR too which I don't think is wise either.

I think that would be a huge mistake. But the Raiders (Mark Davis specifically) have a long history of making a few good decisions (firing Josh McDaniels, benching Jimmy G for Aiden O'Connell, hiring Antonio Pierce) with a really bad one. So it wouldn't shock me, especially after the Raiders hired Luke Getsy to be OC. But it would be extra stupid because Getsy was hired in Chicago to "fix" Fields, and he couldn't do it, at all. About all he did was get Fields to throw more screens and short passes. And even then his completion percentage was 61%. So what would make anyone think he can do it in Vegas? Still, just like other overdrafted QBs, people watch Fields run (like a RB, which the Raiders don't need), and see "potential". Wishing, dreaming, hoping beyond hope, he's the next Lamar (who actually is an excellent passer). A few years in the league now.

Running QBs don't win rings. Oh, some running QBs make some highlight reels, surprise some teams (until defenses figure it out, and they always do). But the ones that pan out best as "dual threat" are ones who are pass first, and run a lot of RPO's, which frequently don't include them running the ball often at all. Or only when they see a lot of green, or on QB sneaks. . And I don't even think of that as "dual threat" which is a buzzword of some pipe dream. An elixir that's little buzz, and all hangover, maybe best presented by Fields career in the NFL. He doesn't move well within a pocket at all, and just takes off running instead, which yields some impressive runs, but the shine ends there. 10-28 career (just 3 career wins over teams with winning records) 60% completion. 40 TDs and 30 Ints. But hey, he's a dual threat QB with potential! Sure. And he always will be.

 

[Nomad]

I'm guessing he'll go in the first round. But he also has "overdrafted" written all over him if you ask me. He's too thin, arguably too young, hasn't played enough games, rarely played from behind his entire NCAA career, and was on a stacked team. But he has an NFL arm and won a championship, so someone will take him in the 1st round. I don't think the Raiders will, but who knows.

This isn't the most popular Raider view but I think they should try to find some vet to complete with O'Connell, and put more money and picks into the OL and DL. Or, if they really do want a top QB, then put everything down on 00, spin the wheel, trade everything away to get the #1 or #2 pick.

Probably. I'm guessing he'd be anointed the #1, and if he didn't play well at all in the pre-season, expected to sit a few games at most. I personally think he could benefit from sitting an entire season (and gaining 15lbs of muscle), but if he's taken #12 in the draft, he'll be expected to start very soon, by whomever that team is.

I don't how McCarthy all of a sudden became a 1st rd prospect & hot commodity? Maybe because he ran the table & won a championship at Michigan?

I remember last August I was going over the FBS preseason rankings & top players to watch. McCarthy was listed as top QB in the Big-10 but only projected as a 3rd or 4th rd pick. What the heck changed over time?

In watching some of Michigan games last year I saw a lot of him throwing off of play-action where he had little pressure & receivers were wide-open - really nothing special, IMO. Michigan had a pounding running game with Blake Corum doing most of the heavy lifting & this opened up their passing attack quite effectively. And you're spot-on - this guy is undersized at 6-3, 202! (built more like basketball guard) & should put on some muscle & weight before getting out there with the big boys. Lol

But if he's projected as a 1st rounder that means some team in desperate need of a QB will take him as their franchise QB, and expect him to be ready enough to start day 1. Lol.

Que...Sera...Sera

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

NFL Combine is under way. Caleb Williams not only isn't participating in anything, he's not even taking a physical. Marvin Harrison Jr. also barely talked to anyone before leaving. Apparently a lot of NFL team brass are barely sticking around after interviews too. As in GMs, coaches, player personnel VPs, etc. Leaving a handful of scouts to take notes. It's like interviews, game footage, and probably data analytics are what matters.

I personally like the Combine because you see a bit of the future, not guys whose bodies are close to ruin after a long season, and there's almost no talk about contracts, money or any of that.

Here's a vid list on YouTube if one wants to watch.

 

[jmdirt]

NFL Combine is under way. Caleb Williams not only isn't participating in anything, he's not even taking a physical. Marvin Harrison Jr. also barely talked to anyone before leaving. Apparently a lot of NFL team brass are barely sticking around after interviews too. As in GMs, coaches, player personnel VPs, etc. Leaving a handful of scouts to take notes. It's like interviews, game footage, and probably data analytics are what matters.

I personally like the Combine because you see a bit of the future, not guys whose bodies are close to ruin after a long season, and there's almost no talk about contracts, money or any of that.

Here's a vid list on YouTube if one wants to watch.

I don't blame the guys who are already 'guaranteed' to go in the first round, the combine does nothing for them. Also, based on the info purposely put out by teams in previous years, it just creates drama that these guys don't need.

Caleb and Marv Jr. are doing their pro days based on something I read, but why?

 

[SHAD0W93]

I don't blame the guys who are already 'guaranteed' to go in the first round, the combine does nothing for them. Also, based on the info purposely put out by teams in previous years, it just creates drama that these guys don't need.

Caleb and Marv Jr. are doing their pro days based on something I read, but why?

Would be funny if he’s not taken in the first round. Wasn’t he the one with all the demands he wants as well and ownership of the team? Or was that a different quarterback?

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I don't blame the guys who are already 'guaranteed' to go in the first round, the combine does nothing for them.

I agree there. They are only if someone is really seeking to impress. But even CJ Stroud, who looked superb at the Combine last year was presumed for months before to be drafted #2 overall, and ended up drafted #2 overall, behind Bryce Young who didn't participate.

Caleb and Marv Jr. are doing their pro days based on something I read, but why?

I think what's happening is conferences (regions?) are now doing combined pro days. This is likely the case. Just reinforces what I said before. It's tape, interviews, and data that matter to teams.

Would be funny if he’s not taken in the first round. Wasn’t he the one with all the demands he wants as well and ownership of the team? Or was that a different quarterback?

If it was Caleb, he apparently changed his tune. He came off very well in interviews this week. Humble, confident, looking forward to going to the NFL whatever team drafts him. I'm sure he was coached before just showing up, but he sounded quite ready to just suit up and play.

 

[Unchained]

It doesn't boarder on sickening, it is full on sickening...repulsive.

Personally I think it's just life, if I walk into work and ask for a multi year hundred plus million dollar contract and a signing bonus, the laughter would be uncontrollable!! But if a twenty something year old guy asks for and gets life changing money I don't begrudge them for it..you gotta ask!!

 

[SHAD0W93]

I agree there. They are only if someone is really seeking to impress. But even CJ Stroud, who looked superb at the Combine last year was presumed for months before to be drafted #2 overall, and ended up drafted #2 overall, behind Bryce Young who didn't participate.

I think what's happening is conferences (regions?) are now doing combined pro days. This is likely the case. Just reinforces what I said before. It's tape, interviews, and data that matter to teams.

If it was Caleb, he apparently changed his tune. He came off very well in interviews this week. Humble, confident, looking forward to going to the NFL whatever team drafts him. I'm sure he was coached before just showing up, but he sounded quite ready to just suit up and play.

NFL Rumors: Caleb Williams' Father Carl Broached Idea of QB Getting Ownership Stake

Caleb Williams' father, Carl, reportedly approached agents about the USC quarterback receiving an ownership stake from the NFL team that drafts him. Kalyn…

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Looks like they were just rumors or I could have saw it on the NFL Meme page. But where there’s smoke…

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Anyone watch the Russell Wilson interview with Brandon Marshall? I honestly couldn't get through it. Less than a half hour is all the further I could make it. Marshall asked good questions, but Russ' answers slowly just ground on me. It took me a bit to figure out why, as he's not a jerk, he's not an idiot. But I just found his ultra-positive, praise flowing, grateful repeating, thankful to all attitude increasingly off-putting. Even if it isn't manufactured like some people think, after a while it came across as if he wasn't in touch with reality. Or his reality is completely different than mine, and maybe most everyone else. I slowly concluded I wouldn't want to be around him for more than a few minutes.

I should clarify I ended up fast forwarding to where he talked about being benched, and Denver treated him like crap. Even if he's only telling his side of things, I felt he was being honest as he saw it, and it was like we said at the time, ugly what they did. If I were the owner of the team I would have sat everyone down and insisted they figure out a way to work together at least through next season. It benefits Denver almost zero to lose Russ now. The whole thing is insane.

 

[jmdirt]

Anyone watch the Russell Wilson interview with Brandon Marshall? I honestly couldn't get through it. Less than a half hour is all the further I could make it. Marshall asked good questions, but Russ' answers slowly just ground on me. It took me a bit to figure out why, as he's not a jerk, he's not an idiot. But I just found his ultra-positive, praise flowing, grateful repeating, thankful to all attitude increasingly off-putting. Even if it isn't manufactured like some people think, after a while it came across as if he wasn't in touch with reality. Or his reality is completely different than mine, and maybe most everyone else. I slowly concluded I wouldn't want to be around him for more than a few minutes.

I should clarify I ended up fast forwarding to where he talked about being benched, and Denver treated him like crap. Even if he's only telling his side of things, I felt he was being honest as he saw it, and it was like we said at the time, ugly what they did. If I were the owner of the team I would have sat everyone down and insisted they figure out a way to work together at least through next season. It benefits Denver almost zero to lose Russ now. The whole thing is insane.

As a SEA fan I listened to a lot of his interviews, and he has always been hard to take IMO. It definitely got worse as he aged. I still don't know how much of it is genuine, and how much is psychobabble.

EDIT: to be honest, I don't really want to listen to anyone talk about themselves for more than a few minutes, let alone an hour and a half.

EDIT2: I think that all of us had heard/read about the injury clause 'situation', but if it is true, that level of disregard from the DEN org is SH*T! and won't lead to success.

 

[Nomad]

I should clarify I ended up fast forwarding to where he talked about being benched, and Denver treated him like crap. Even if he's only telling his side of things, I felt he was being honest as he saw it, and it was like we said at the time, ugly what they did. If I were the owner of the team I would have sat everyone down and insisted they figure out a way to work together at least through next season. It benefits Denver almost zero to lose Russ now. The whole thing is insane.

Didn't bother to watch that interview - just not interested. It sounds like you have a soft heart for Wilson & now feel sorry for him? Lol. Look at it from reality: Wilson didn't win & never even came close to paving a path for success for the team. This is  SB winning QB & future  HOF - and with that high pricetag - he was expected to bring instant success to the Broncos. First year was supposed to be playoffs & re-establishing a winning atmosphere. 2nd yr a division title & a run at the SB. Instead, Wilson in 2 yrs (30 games started) goes 11-19 with no playoffs & no division titles...absolutely egregious! (in fact, when Wilson was signed the media here became euphoric talking about how many SB titles he could bring to the Mile High City. Lol).

And sit down the team & figure out a way for them to all work together for next year? WTH? Lol. Yeah sure...and maybe the team should also sit in a gigantic circle at Dove Valley holding hands & singing Kumbaya. Lol. Payton is done with Wilson - he's moving on from him. Payton is running the show now - it's my way or the highway. There's no benefit in keeping an elite star-studded QB around that has already failed the team & can't get along with the HC (and besides Payton had nothing to do with the acquisition of Wilson - this isn't the QB he wants to run his offense).

The NFL is a cutthroat business & no QB, regardless of their status & accolades, is immune to being jettisoned if they're not winning. As I mentioned previously, not even the great Eli Manning - one half of the Manning legacy - wasn't immune to being dumped because of lack of performance. It only took to week #3 of the 2019 season - after losing the first two games - that he was benched in favor of Jones. At that very moment in time he was finished with the Giants (in fact, when Manning was upset at the team drafting Jones, Shurmur told him "It's your job to win games and keep Jones off the field" Lol). And to add insult to injury - Manning was asked if he would like to take on the new role of a backup for the team. Lol. If you don't want to accept a backup role, either move on - if you still think you have it - or retire. And in that case, Manning chose the latter.

Wilson is done & will have to either move on or retire (there's probably still a few teams out there that would take another chance on him). The Broncos are going to have to find another QB - either acquire a veteran through free agency or a trade, or draft one of the hotshot prospects in the 1st rd. Whatever route they go, that new QB will have to be successful & established a winning atmosphere immediately! If not, they'll face the wrath of Sean Payton. Lol

 

[Nomad]

Personally I think it's just life, if I walk into work and ask for a multi year hundred plus million dollar contract and a signing bonus, the laughter would be uncontrollable!! But if a twenty something year old guy asks for and gets life changing money I don't begrudge them for it..you gotta ask!!

Yeah, ask...receive...not perform up to expectations...keep all the $$$. The life of the rich & famous NFL player. Lol.

 

[Nomad]

I agree there. They are only if someone is really seeking to impress. But even CJ Stroud, who looked superb at the Combine last year was presumed for months before to be drafted #2 overall, and ended up drafted #2 overall, behind Bryce Young who didn't participate.

It was AR last year that really impressed with his unexpected aerial display that moved up his draft status significantly.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Adding insult to injury for Eli being benched was him getting close to breaking the consecutive games started record, got benched and then he started the next week…

 

[jmdirt]

That's fast!
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