I don't think Patricia nor McDaniels had any success.
Maybe I wasn't clear enough. I was stating they managed to get multiple rings as coordinators, and before that position coaches. So they did have success in those jobs. Now, no one in their right mind would now hire either to be a HC, but they can't even get coordinator, or even position coaching jobs. It's like they are all persona non grata.
As I said before, I was shocked that the Raiders even hired McDaniels considering how terrible he was at Denver in his first stint as a HC. But I think your Raiders were in panic mode at the time
Not really. Rich Bisaccia took over from Jon Gruden's mess and took the team to the playoffs. Granted, they lost, but they played surprisingly well going 10-6, and the players loved him. Mike Mayock was the Raiders GM at the time and in his exit interview he told Mark Davis, "okay fire me, but don't fire Rich. Give him at least some sort of contract." Mark Davis in his infinite wisdom fired both, then hired Dave Ziegler and McDaniels as a "twofer" from the Patriots. There were a LOT of Raiders fans who were upset that Bisaccia was fired, as were many players. But Davis saw McDaniels as a shiny object and doled out a heap of cash for them. You saw the results McDaniels brought to the Raiders. Basically identical to what he did for Denver, only he wasn't as hot headed. A writer for Sports Illustrated named Hondo Carpenter
wrote a detailed article about decisions the made, and Ziegler was some good, some bad. But McDaniels deserved almost all the blame.
One thing to remember was there were other teams interested in McDaniels being a HC again. Part of that was he was able to make Mac Jones look decent (I actually doubt this, I just think defenses hadn't adjusted to him). But even when he was hired by the Raiders there were a lot of people who suspected it would be a mistake, and it was.
So far Davis has made good decisions since canning McDaniels. Let's see if he regresses, can't stand it, and continues to stick his fingers in the pie this off-season into next. If the Raiders do something stupid like sign Justin Fields, Kirk Cousins Ryan Tannehill, to a big contract, or extend Josh Jacobs or Hunter Renfrow.
Belicheck... gambled wrong on a replacement for Brady by drafting Jones - who was a complete failure & couldn't save the great Belichick from his ultimate demise. And you new things in NE were really bad when Belichick benched Jones in favor of some stiff named "Bailey Zappe" (desperate times requires desperate measures. Lol).
Don't forget, in the pre-season the Patriots cut Zappe, that's how little faith they had in him. And yet, he ended up starting the last few games in the season.
Rex Ryan has been one of the harshest critics of Mac Jones. Saying he has the weakest arm in the NFL, can't process plays, never improved from college, etc. On every show he's on about the Patriots he brings this up, and others talk about how Jones did okay as a rookie with McDaniels as OC (again, I say BS) just needs the right system, etc., but time and again Ryan has been proven to be correct.
Jones is about to head to the no-man's land. Where Mitch Trubisky, Carson Wentz, Cam Newton are. Still wanting to play in the NFL, not that anyone is interested.