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From what I can gather, new GM Tom Telesco has a lot of leeway and is calling the shots. In the past, several times Mark Davis got involved and made decisions, but I don't think that will happen now, not for a while. Telesco is the most experienced GM Davis has ever had. I think Telesco is going to grab a QB in the first round. Either JJ McCarthey (who says Tom Brady, now minority owner of the Raiders, is a mentor) or if JJ's stock rises too high, Bo Nix. That's my guess. But I also think if the price isn't insanely high, he'll make major deals to move up and get one of the top 3 guys. Thus, I don't see them signing Wilson unless all of that falls apart.
I've never heard of Telesco - had to look him up. I see he was the Chargers GM for the last 10 yrs. Didn't turn them into winners over that span - so what does Prince Davis see in this guy?

And what's all this QB nonsense talk with the Raiders? Why aren't they going to give O'Connell another year at the helm? He went 5-5 in 10 starts last year which really isn't all that bad considering (he did far better than the two hotshots over at Carolina & Tennessee. Lol). So what that O'Connell is only a 4th round pick & isn't as flashy as the first rounders drafted last year.

This is what irritates me with this current era of football. Back in the good old days, O'Connell's performance as a rookie going 5-5 would have been considered good & optimistic, and a building block to become a franchise QB. He certainly would have been given a 2nd year as a full-time starter. There would have been no crazy talk of drafting a hotshot 1st rounder who thinks they're something special or bring in a veteran QB that also happened to be an overrated 1st rd selected QB that couldn't cut it with the team that originally drafted him. Lol.

What a sad state of affairs in this league when a 4th round drafted rookie shows potential going 5-5 but may be throw out to the trash dumpster in favor of some overrated, holier-than-thou, narcissist 1st round Superman that is supposed to save the franchise. Lol.
 
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With quarterbacks too just how many misses there are are crazy. Not to mention where a player goes has a big impact as well. Like Mahomes, if he had went to Chicago there’s no way we’d see him like this now. He’d have started right away, not have the offensive talent for support, and no one of if not the best offensive minds. He was a work in progress and needed that rookie year to learn the NFL vs college.



Then add in more teams and games will lead to a water down sport. Heck Manziel was talking about trying to comeback and play on Sharpe’s podcast.
 
With quarterbacks too just how many misses there are are crazy. Not to mention where a player goes has a big impact as well. Like Mahomes, if he had went to Chicago there’s no way we’d see him like this now. He’d have started right away, not have the offensive talent for support, and no one of if not the best offensive minds. He was a work in progress and needed that rookie year to learn the NFL vs college.
That's a valid point, but teams aren't sitting their 1st rd, even early 2nd rd picks, to learn the NFL system anymore. Unless they really screw up in preseason, they're thrown to the wolves on day 1, and expected to be successful immediately regardless whether or not there's any offensive talent.

Take last year - all the 1st rounders started day 1 (Young, Stroud & AR). Levis, an early 2nd rounder, was projected to start day 1, but had such a bad preseason Vrabel couldn't chance it & Levis found himself as the 3rd string QB. But when Tannehill went down with an injury mid-season, Levis was forced into the starting lineup ready or not. Lol.

No different for this upcoming season: The 5 or 6 projected 1st rounders will be expected to start day 1. They'll be told you have 2 yrs - maybe 3 - to turn the team around and start contending for a SB. If not, the owner will just cycle them out & start over with a new 1st rounder (e.g. the situation brewing in Chicago). Owners are no longer patient with their 1st round investments - they want & expect immediate results (see Tepper's tantrum last year. Lol).

I think the days are long gone when a 1st rounder will sit the bench and learn the system & get acclimated to the NFL game. The situation with Mahomes sitting the bench his rookie year is probably the last will ever see with these top 1st rounders. It's now on the job training. Lol.
 
I've never heard of Telesco - had to look him up. I see he was the Chargers GM for the last 10 yrs. Didn't turn them into winners over that span - so what does Prince Davis see in this guy?
A guy who has historically drafted better than Ziegler, Mayock, or Gruden would be my guess.

It was somewhat mentioned around the league that Telesco was the baby thrown out with the bathwater. He wasn't a bad GM, but the last few coaches the Chargers had were so bad, he got blamed for that. And in some ways it was his fault. With this Raiders team, the coach was hired before he was.

I know a guy who is a Chargers fan, his biggest complaint about Telesco was that he too often overpaid in contracts. Herbert's insane contract being the most obvious, but also Bosa, and a few others. He didn't create salary cap hell in LA, but he pushed the cap to the limit, frequently, leaving little wiggle room.
And what's all this QB nonsense talk with the Raiders? Why aren't they going to give O'Connell another year at the helm?
I think you said it yourself. Win, NOW, or we'll find someone better (or think, hope we can).

If I were in charge I'd most certainly give O'Connell another year. He was better than his record too, as in his first start he was informed the day before the game he would start (brilliant move by McDaniels). But as the season went on he improved quite a bit. His last four games he threw 9 TDs and 0 Ints. The criticism of him is that he's not mobile, and doesn't even move great within the pocket and needs to learn this. But he is a smart kid, and if you look back, there have been plenty of QBs like him that won games. He's not too different than Matt Ryan, Eli Manning, Ryan Tannehill, maybe Alex Smith (who was more fleet of foot). If he doesn't pan out, it looks like he won't be much worse than Matt Shaub, Josh Freeman, and once you realize that, then you move on.

The other Raiders issue is they have a spotty OL. Perhaps slightly above average at run blocking, slightly below average at pass blocking. And they have little to no depth there. Plus, 2 guys will be FA in this off-season. So no matter who the QB is, this must be addressed.

So if I were the GM I'd be pouring FA money into the OL, DT (Raiders have 2 very average guys), and a top CB. Or draft here. If a QB I really liked fell to me in the 2nd to 4th round, I'd maybe pull the trigger.

But I'm old school and believe games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage. I also think it's not a bad idea to draft a QB that falls to you in the middle rounds every other year, or maybe every year, it's such a crap shoot.

No different for this upcoming season: The 5 or 6 projected 1st rounders will be expected to start day 1. They'll be told you have 2 yrs - maybe 3 - to turn the team around and start contending for a SB.
Agree. Maybe not to the SB, but as a serious contender. Just look at the Jaguars and Chargers today. If Lawerence can't get the Jags to the NFC Championship, and Herbert past the WC round in the next 2 years, even with all they hype around them, their teams will start to look forward, as absurd as that may seem to some.
If not, the owner will just cycle them out & start over with a new 1st rounder (e.g. the situation brewing in Chicago).
Trubisky, Fields, soon Williams...
Owners are no longer patient with their 1st round investments - they want & expect immediate results (see Tepper's tantrum last year. Lol).
Just as I posted before. I firmly believe most NFL owners are very much like Tepper, they just hold it in much better than he does. I also have said before it's very much like corporate America (having worked in corporate America!). Similar culture. Some run better than others, some more ruthless than others.
I think the days are long gone when a 1st rounder will sit the bench and learn the system & get acclimated to the NFL game. The situation with Mahomes sitting the bench his rookie year is probably the last will ever see with these top 1st rounders. It's now on the job training. Lol.
Agree. He and Love were the absolute anomaly. In the years to come at most, at the very most, you're going to see players like Josh Allen, who sat some 6 games before starting. Or Tua, who sat some of his first two years, or really split time with Fitzpatrick. It was a mix of both of injuries to both, but also Tua's early struggles.

In the near future (like, this coming season) I don't expect to see this level of "patience". I expect Williams, Daniels, Maye to all start week 1. I think it's quite possible McCarthey (huge risk), Nix (risk) and Penix (risk) also go in the 1st round, and may be expected to start sometime in year 1, maybe as soon as week 1, as insane as that sounds. Heck, toss in both Milton and Rattler to that mix. That's how desperate, and impatient teams and their owners are.

Just wait until 2026 when Arch Manning goes #1 overall. Or in 2032 when Ben Brady declares... :openmouth:
 
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I have a running list of things to watch on various streaming services when I have them, I'll add that since I don't currently have Apple TV.
It's lots of similar stuff to previous Brady documentary content, but lots of cool comments from everyone, including Craft family members and some good stuff from Bledsoe's wife. Didn't realize how Drew was like an adopted, $100 million dollar son to the Crafts. Also I forgot about what Bill Bel was in Cleveland and the Bernie Kosar, Art Modell train wreck!! BB had death threats after he cut Bernie..
Another thing that is sort of in my subconscious is Kurt Warner and where he fits in NFL history!! John Madden, describing the Rams as best he ever saw..and seeing video of Marshall Faulk, started to come to me a little, but all the grocery store stuff and religious stuff had me kind of discount Warner as lucky.. My bad
 
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Warner is one of the most accurate deep passers in NFL history. Several guys had stronger arms, but I was continually amazed how he would throw passes 30, 40, 50 yards downfield into a bucket.

I haven't seen the doc, but the comments on the time BB called Brady out in a team meeting. Not even by name, but just ripping him completely apart. "The quarterback play is awful. This just stinks..." :oops:

 
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Would have been great if Rodgers went to NE instead of the Jets to show everyone who said they’d have won more with him instead of Brady wrong. Rodgers would not have put up with Belichick for long. But you can’t say that he was a hypocrite, treated everyone the same and accepted 100% and more. Which is something I wish leadership did in my hospital job more.
 
Rodgers would not have put up with Belichick for long...
I think in some ways you have that backwards. Belicheck would not have put up with Rodgers for long.

Don't forget, Belicheck had no problem benching Malcom Butler for apparently having an attitude with Matt Patricia. What game did he bench Malcom for? The Super Bowl, when they lost to the Eagles, and Nick Foles picked their secondary apart. This was right in Butler's prime. Bill didn't tell him he wasn't going to start. He didn't tell him he wouldn't play the first series. He didn't lecture him, then use that as fire to motivate Butler and toss him into the game in the second half. He flat out benched him for the entire Super Bowl.
 
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Agree. Maybe not to the SB, but as a serious contender. Just look at the Jaguars and Chargers today. If Lawerence can't get the Jags to the NFC Championship, and Herbert past the WC round in the next 2 years, even with all they hype around them, their teams will start to look forward, as absurd as that may seem to some.
Definitely the Jags need to at least get to the AFC championship this season. They took a big step back backwards last year going from division winners & a very important playoff win in 2022 to 2nd place in the division & no playoffs in 2023. At one point last year they were an impressive "8-3" looking good for the division title when the wheels came off & they went 1-5 in their last 6 games. Granted, Lawrence was dealing with injuries most of the 2nd half of the season - including missing one game - but still no excuse for this kind of regression.

The report card on Lawrence isn't all that great either. He's a dismal 20-30 with only 2 playoff appearances (1-1) in 3 full yrs of starting. He's also a turnover machine with 39 picks & 21 lost fumbles! And it doesn't help that he has a #1 OA tag plus he was touted as "The next Payton Manning."

I already mentioned previously that IMO Herbert is a bust. One playoff appearance (a loss!) in 4 effin full years of starting! (30-32). Please, this guy is bust city (wasn't he a #6 OA pick in the 2020 draft? Lol). I wonder if Harbaugh may go after JJ McCarthy as his guy? The two won a National Championship at Michigan & Harbaugh recruited him right out of HS (no transfer situation). The Chargers pick #5 this year. Though there's probably some gaslighting, Harbaugh believes McCarthy is the top QB in this year's draft:

View: https://youtu.be/qE34o_V9JD4?si=HPCBd-5gdjn8yZBl
 
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That's a valid point, but teams aren't sitting their 1st rd, even early 2nd rd picks, to learn the NFL system anymore. Unless they really screw up in preseason, they're thrown to the wolves on day 1, and expected to be successful immediately regardless whether or not there's any offensive talent.

Take last year - all the 1st rounders started day 1 (Young, Stroud & AR). Levis, an early 2nd rounder, was projected to start day 1, but had such a bad preseason Vrabel couldn't chance it & Levis found himself as the 3rd string QB. But when Tannehill went down with an injury mid-season, Levis was forced into the starting lineup ready or not. Lol.

No different for this upcoming season: The 5 or 6 projected 1st rounders will be expected to start day 1. They'll be told you have 2 yrs - maybe 3 - to turn the team around and start contending for a SB. If not, the owner will just cycle them out & start over with a new 1st rounder (e.g. the situation brewing in Chicago). Owners are no longer patient with their 1st round investments - they want & expect immediate results (see Tepper's tantrum last year. Lol).

I think the days are long gone when a 1st rounder will sit the bench and learn the system & get acclimated to the NFL game. The situation with Mahomes sitting the bench his rookie year is probably the last will ever see with these top 1st rounders. It's now on the job training. Lol.
It's also the marketing of an asset for some teams. That drafted guy could be marketable if he came cheaply enough to pass on to another team, assuming you didn't just feed him to some killer defense on National Broadcast. It's part of the preseason smoke n' mirrors but usually not for any QBs from the first two rounds. As everyone seems to agree; it's a Darwinian crapshoot starting a high pick; particularly in the early season. It could be better to get farther into the Death Cage extended season before you use up those guys and let them grow....but that may be way to sensible for desperate coaches. I wouldn't want that job.
 
Definitely the Jags need to at least get to the AFC championship this season...Granted, Lawrence was dealing with injuries most of the 2nd half of the season - including missing one game - but still no excuse for this kind of regression.
Good point in that he had a high ankle sprain and didn't miss a single game. There was nothing wrong with his arm, shoulder, etc. Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes both won Super Bowls with high ankle sprains. Either they needed to alter their play calling to accommodate TLs injury, and if that was too much of a loss, then sit him a week or two. This was my issue with Brock Purdy in I think it was the Minnesota game, a week after his concussion, and a game he didn't play well. So what if he "clears protocol", does he give you your best chance of winning? In Lawerence case finishing the season 1-5 tells you everything you need to know. So if it wasn't him regressing, it was bad coaching. And if that's the case, it's even more disappointing, as when they entered the season it seemed their entire team was behind Doug Pederson, and playing well together even in the games they lost early (like to KC).
I already mentioned previously that IMO Herbert is a bust.
I honestly think you are over-reacting. However, Harbaugh is supposed to be the coach that fixes him, or fulfills his potential. Let's see how that plays out. Under Harbaugh the Chargers absolutely should make the playoffs within 2 seasons, probably even win a WC game, with an even brighter future. If they don't, but at least Herbert plays like a top 5 QB like he's paid, okay. If not...
I wonder if Harbaugh may go after JJ McCarthy as his guy?
I doubt it, but I wonder about it too. Though I see red flags with McCarthey, though he looked solid at the Combine. It wouldn't completely shock me if on draft day the Chargers deal Herbert to a team with cap space (New England? Washington? Las Vegas?! ...after all, the Raider new GM is the guy who drafted him)?

Bill releasing Poyer and White.
I'm honestly not surprised. Fairly large contract for players whose peak was probably 2021. White is younger, but after both a full ACL tear he lost just a step, then blew out his achilles. They also cut center Mitch Morse, and Siran Neal a dime back who mostly played special teams (and might be remembered for the miscommunication that helped give the Chiefs good field position where Mahomes beat them in the 2021 playoffs).
I like the line up rules, but don't like the 'automictic' yardage rules.
Agree. They looked at what the XFL did, which worked, but decided to muck it up. Here's what the XFL did:

Everyone line up within 5 yards of one another, both teams. After the kick is fielded, then players can start blocking. This is what the NFL appears to be adopting. However, the XFL didn't have on-sides kick-offs. Instead a team could get the ball on offense with 4th and 15 on their 25 yard line. If you convert, you keep the ball. They also had an option for going for 3 on an extra point. Here's how it looked; San Antonio is in black and gold, St. Louis in blue and light grey.

 
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I honestly don't know how credible this info is, but I'll toss it out for our group here:

There are two groups with deep pockets pushing to get an NFL team in Salt Lake. One group from Utah, one from Idaho. It sounds like they are working together with the idea that it would be an "Idaho Utah" team. Even people in Boise will have trouble calling a team in Salt Lake the home team, let alone people 8 hours farther north in Priest River (for comparison, I see way more Portland Timbers and Seattle Sounders jerseys than Real Salt Lake). I hope if there is an NFL expansion that Salt Lake gets a team, but other cities seem to have a leg up (Alpe offered a few several days ago).
 
I don't see R. Wilson as their answer (or Z. Wislon either).
Not the answer. A solution to exposing Kenny Pickett to more abuse in a long season than he can handle. It's only a matter of time that teams play two QBs regularly to lessen wear and tear, IMO. Russell would be a great short-yardage threat and would know he had to be good to serve his ego. He certainly doesn't need the veteran minimum dollar$ Pitt would pay him. Just a thought and I heard it from Stephen A on First Takes. I usually disagree with him.
 
I honestly think you are over-reacting. However, Harbaugh is supposed to be the coach that fixes him, or fulfills his potential. Let's see how that plays out. Under Harbaugh the Chargers absolutely should make the playoffs within 2 seasons, probably even win a WC game, with an even brighter future. If they don't, but at least Herbert plays like a top 5 QB like he's paid, okay. If not...
How can I be "over-reacting" when I'm stating simple facts about his performance? Again to reiterate, he's a 1st rounder - 6th OA pick - and third QB taken behind Burrow (1) & Tua (5) in the 2020 draft. In four (4) yrs of starting full-time (started his entire rookie year) he's a dismal 30-32, NO division titles & one playoff appearance that was an embarrassing loss! And mind you he's making a killing with a top salary.

Let's compare Herber to Trubisky who without a doubt is draft bust & is now living a career as a journeyman backup. Trubisky was a 1st rounder - 2nd OA - and the first QB taken in the 2017 draft. In four full years of starting at Chicago he went 29-21 with one divisional title and two playoff appearances - both losses. Trubisky performed much better than Herbert and yet Trubisky was flushed after 4 yrs while Herbert remains. Lol.

Herbert wasn't drafted that high to just crank out good throwing numbers & look pretty for the girls. He's supposed to be the franchise QB & lead to the Chargers to the promised land. But he's done absolutely nothing in 4 yrs posting a losing record & one lousy player appearance. He's getting special treatment by ownership for some reason & they think by firing Staley & bringing in Harbaugh that's going to fix the problem. Lol.
 
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