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Alpe d'Huez

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jmdirt said:
I don't see R. Wilson as their answer (or Z. Wislon either).
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Russ thinks wherever he's going, he'll be the starting QB. I'm certain he believes this. So he'll be telling the Steelers he expects to start over Pickett. I'm not sure how well that will wash with Tomlin.

I'm sure Zach Wilson will end up somewhere, but since everyone knows the Jets want to get rid of him, other teams won't give them much of anything in return. Maybe a 6th round pick? What a terrible history for the Jets in this regard. They blow a #3 overall pick on Sam Darnold, he washes out so they dump him. They then blow a #2 overall pick on Wilson, he washes, so they're about to dump him.
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It's only a matter of time that teams play two QBs regularly to lessen wear and tear.
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Quite possibly so. I think teams are going to start planning and scheming for this. Look at how well for example Joe Flacco played for about five games. But does anyone think he could start and play a 17 (or 18) game season? I'm not even sure Joe Burrow can get through a 17 game season.

In fact, injuries are such a major part of the game, one could make the argument the healthiest teams have the best chance of winning as much as anything. And the Chiefs were pretty much in tact late in the season, as an example.
 
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How can I be "over-reacting" when I'm stating simple facts about his performance? Again to reiterate, he's a 1st rounder - 6th OA pick - and third QB taken behind Burrow (1) & Tua (5) in the 2020 draft.
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You're talking like he was drafted #1 overall, that's why. Here are some other names drafted in recent years between about 4-9: Daniel Jones, Blake Bortles, Josh Allen, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Bryan Leftwich.

Outside of Josh Allen, none of those guys have done much either.

If you want to criticize the hype around his eternal potential, I get that. If you want to criticize that ridiculous contract the Chargers gave him (5 years, $262m, with $216 guaranteed) I get that. But so far he hasn't "busted" more than any of the other guys I listed above (sans Allen).

But one way or the other they are stuck with him for the next 3 years, unless they can trade him, and believe it or not, NOW would be the time to do so, they just need a team both desperate and gullible enough to eat that contract. Otherwise, he and Harbaugh are tied at the hip. There's actually an out after 4 years, but the cap hit after 2 if they cut him would be almost as bad as the Broncos cut of Wilson. After 3 it's palpable, or he could possibly then be traded as he would be at the end of the contract.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
You're talking like he was drafted #1 overall, that's why. Here are some other names drafted in recent years between about 4-9: Daniel Jones, Blake Bortles, Josh Allen, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Bryan Leftwich.

Outside of Josh Allen, none of those guys have done much either.

If you want to criticize the hype around his eternal potential, I get that. If you want to criticize that ridiculous contract the Chargers gave him (5 years, $262m, with $216 guaranteed) I get that. But so far he hasn't "busted" more than any of the other guys I listed above (sans Allen).

But one way or the other they are stuck with him for the next 3 years, unless they can trade him, and believe it or not, NOW would be the time to do so, they just need a team both desperate and gullible enough to eat that contract. Otherwise, he and Harbaugh are tied at the hip. There's actually an out after 4 years, but the cap hit after 2 if they cut him would be almost as bad as the Broncos cut of Wilson. After 3 it's palpable, or he could possibly then be traded as he would be at the end of the contract.
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Herbert DOES have a ton of potential, but he has rarely been healthy enough to put it on full display let alone develop it. Also, he reads the headlines too, and then tries too hard to prove them wrong IMO.

The LAC line hasn't been good enough for any QB1 to be great.

A team or two needs to draw a line on QB1 contracts, and then others might follow to curb the craziness of the last few years. Maybe even something like you have suggested: play young guys on their rookie deal and then move on before a big contract comes due (unless they are really good). Most teams wouldn't do any worse than they do with their overpaid, average vets. For example, LVR.

At the very least, teams need to make contracts heavier on performance incentives: $10 MIL guaranteed, with $20 MIL in performance bonuses available.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
You're talking like he was drafted #1 overall, that's why. Here are some other names drafted in recent years between about 4-9: Daniel Jones, Blake Bortles, Josh Allen, Mark Sanchez, Ryan Tannehill, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Bryan Leftwich.

Outside of Josh Allen, none of those guys have done much either.
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With the exception of Jones & Tannehill, those mentioned lasted only 4 or 5 yrs before being cut or traded with a few even performing much better than Herbert!

-Bortels (3) JAX 23-39/2-1 postseason (cut after 5 yrs)
-Sanchez (5) NYJ 33-29/4-2 postseason (traded after 5 yrs).
-Tannehill (8) MIA 42-46 no ps (1 full season missed injury - traded after 7 seasons).
-Locker (8) TEN Injury-riddled career - only 23 starts (9-14) (retired after 4 yrs)
-Young (3) TEN 30-17 no postseason (cut after 5 yrs)
-Leftwich (7) JAX 24-20 no postseason (cut after 4 yrs).

Jones (6) is a bit of a mystery why he's still in a Giants uniform because in five (5) seasons he's only 22-36-1 & 1-1 in postseason (he did miss half of last season with the torn ACL). Not exactly the performance you want for a franchise QB who replaced the Great Eli Manning. Lol.
 
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jmdirt said:
Herbert DOES have a ton of potential, but he has rarely been healthy enough to put it on full display let alone develop it. Also, he reads the headlines too, and then tries too hard to prove them wrong IMO.

The LAC line hasn't been good enough for any QB1 to be great.

A team or two needs to draw a line on QB1 contracts, and then others might follow to curb the craziness of the last few years. Maybe even something like you have suggested: play young guys on their rookie deal and then move on before a big contract comes due (unless they are really good). Most teams wouldn't do any worse than they do with their overpaid, average vets. For example, LVR.

At the very least, teams need to make contracts heavier on performance incentives: $10 MIL guaranteed, with $20 MIL in performance bonuses available.
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If getting rid of Eckler is going to relieve pressure off of Herbert, ok show me..
 
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Wow, the Broncos really gonna go into full rebuild mode.

But understandable. Russ had a better season, but not enough for Denver to keep him. Jeudy didn’t have a good season and Simmons leaving is a surprise.

With them thinking of the cap space, they’ll be busy this offseason, I mean they already are. Unfortunately for them, the draft picks they lost by acquiring Russ two years ago is a blow, everyone saw that by mid season 2022.

Not sure Sean Payton will get them to a contender position during his tenure, but we’ll see.
 
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With the exception of Jones & Tannehill, those mentioned lasted only 4 or 5 yrs before being cut or traded with a few even performing much better than Herbert!
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Your list sort of proves my point. Herbert isn't a bust. He's been average. Thus it's absurd that the Chargers gave him that outlandish contract. That's the problem.
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Wow, the Broncos really gonna go into full rebuild mode.
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I honestly don't know what other choice they have. Look at it this way. They are going to be in salary cap hell for maybe 2 years paying for the Wilson disaster. Also, during the season some Bronco starters on defense got less playing time when Payton made some decisions, I think Simmons is being tossed away with that.
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Not sure Sean Payton will get them to a contender position during his tenure, but we’ll see.
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He needs a star QB, and there are holes on both sides of the ball. Not only is he going to have to draft super great, but he is going to have to make magic in 2025 and 2026 free agency, just to get them to make the playoffs. That's what I see anyway.
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Bills and Chargers are doing the same. They have cap issues. Joey Bosa and Mack are both expected to be gone.
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Yes, and this makes sense to me, though in different ways.

The Bills have the same regime, but if you look at Poyer and White being cut, it's because on paper they had one of the best defenses in the league last year, but White missed most of the season, and Poyer was hurt much of it. But the Bills had more players than them hurt. Losing Milano hurt, Von Miller still hasn't really recovered from tearing his ACL how many months ago that is now, and when they lost Bernard in the Steeler game in the playoffs, there went their best tackler and any real hope to beat KC. You simply can't plan and coach such a defense when half of your best defenders can't get through a season.

With the Chargers it's a new sheriff in town. I think they got most of their money's worth on Bosa and Mack, the team just wasn't complete enough, had a poor OL, Herbert couldn't stay healthy, so there's just not much point in keeping them unless they agree to play cheap. Eckler, like Josh Jacobs, and to some degree both Barkley and Pollard, had a drop off in production from the previous season. There is no way they are going to pay him a heap of money. The Chargers are going to have Harbaugh build around Herbert, and roll the dice (or trade him while he still has all that potential, and draft JJ McCarthey!).

Considering Mack is near the twilight of his career, and he can move across the entire DL from edge, to strong side DE, to even LB and inside, I wonder if the Raiders will sign him to some sort of deal if the money can be worked out?

No insider knowledge here, but I have a hunch the Raiders are trying to do some mega deal to get either the 2nd or 3rd pick in the draft and take Jayden Daniels.
 
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Chris Jones Agrees to Deal
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There's more to the contract in the details. The pay is $95m for the first three years, all of it guaranteed!!! That's almost $32m a year. I believe the depth of this contract is bigger with more guaranteed money than Aaron Darnold got, and Jones is about to turn 30. The guy is damn good, but holy sh*t that's a lot of money! That's, "we expect at least 2 maybe 3 more Super Bowl appearances over those five years" kind of cash. Wow!

NFL's list of best available free agents.

Inevitably, Mac Jones will be on the first flight to Jacksonville. In exchange for a 6th round pick. Another 1st round pick wasted on a QB by a team, hoping beyond hope someone with marginal talent and a weak arm could replicate what he did in the NCAA on a team loaded with talent beating mostly weak teams.
 
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Sounds like the rumor of Butler getting into it with one of Belichick’s sons might be true for it being personal related.


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Even crazier Belichick said this when Brady wasn’t given a lot of help for deep threats besides Cooks, Gordon, and Brown where he was successful. Most of hurt even more seeing Brady slinging it at Tampa.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
Your list sort of proves my point. Herbert isn't a bust. He's been average. Thus it's absurd that the Chargers gave him that outlandish contract. That's the problem.
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Huh? Herbert average? Lol. He's below average: 30-32 (.483) with only one winning season and one postseason appearance which was an embarrassing loss to the Jags. And the article you linked from Marc Trestman is nothing more than gaslighting - I thought for a minute there I was reading an article about Mahomes. Lol.

There's really not much difference between Mac Jones & Herbert. Jones was 18-24 (.428) in 3 yrs with one winning season and one playoff appearance which was also a lost. Both had similar pre-draft scouting ratings (6.45 for Herbert vs 6.33 for Jones). Herbert also threw up big numbers @ Oregon where he had tons of talent & they were playing even weaker teams in the Pac-10 than Jones was playing against in the SEC. Lol.

It's definitely a true mystery why Herbert is still in a Charger's uniform. I heard that he's dating the owner's daughter or something like that. Lol.
 
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Buccaneers, QB Baker Mayfield agree to three-year contract worth up to $115 million

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Preposterous! I heard this news driving home from a workout today & laughed so hard I thought I strained an ab muscle. Lol. He's not worth half that amount of dough!

He barely finishes the season over .500 winning the tiebreaker against the Saints in the worst division in football. Then in the playoffs he get's lucky beating Philly - a badly injured team including Hurts who wasn't anything close to 100%. An against the Lions, he throws the game losing pick in OT. And now TB thinks he's the next Tom Brady. Lol

This league is getting hard to watch. Throwing that kind of dough at a mediocre players at best is absolutely ridiculous. It just keeps getting worse with the amount of $$$ literally given to these players for average to poor play. The average fan is struggling to make ends meet these days. Many have to work a 2nd job these days to keep food on the table & roof over their heads. Many fans have been priced out of ever seeing a game. So, it'll be another mansion & more 100k cars for Mayfield. Lol
 
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Nomad said:
Preposterous! I heard this news driving home from a workout today & laughed so hard I thought I strained an ab muscle. Lol. He's not worth half that amount of dough!

He barely finishes the season over .500 winning the tiebreaker against the Saints in the worst division in football. Then in the playoffs he get's lucky beating Philly - a badly injured team including Hurts who wasn't anything close to 100%. An against the Lions, he throws the game losing pick in OT. And now TB thinks he's the next Tom Brady. Lol

This league is getting hard to watch. Throwing that kind of dough at a mediocre players at best is absolutely ridiculous. It just keeps getting worse with the amount of $$$ literally given to these players for average to poor play. The average fan is struggling to make ends meet these days. Many have to work a 2nd job these days to keep food on the table & roof over their heads. Many fans have been priced out of ever seeing a game. So, it'll be another mansion & more 100k cars for Mayfield. Lol
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Well Jones is getting the same at the Giants but probably not for much longer. Geno Smith is getting 35 or so. QB market has always been nuts and now Dak wants 60 !
 
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