Six QB's in the top 12 ! That Penix injury history looked sobering. Took a while for the first defensive player to get picked.
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We have talked a lot on here about having a QB1 at QB2 because its a high chance that QB1 will go down at some point in the season...so this pick makes a lot of sense. Plus they can't afford anyone but a rook after paying Cous.
49ers go WR !Aiyuk deal must be a long way off.............thought they were certain to go O line or defense.
But injuries are so hard to predict. Maybe someone in Atlanta did some serious analytical number crunching and figured over the next 2-3 years Cousins was likely to get hurt, and Penix could get hurt, so roll the dice now while Penix is on a rookie deal, and if he turns out to be really good, and healthy, it's worth it. It just goes against almost all recent "wisdom" where a rookie starts early into his first season, if not week 1. I fully expect Williams, Daniels, Maye and McCarthy to start week 1. Nix maybe. He could sit a few games. Penix? One could point to Green Bay, but they drafted Love at the age of 21. Penix will be 24 when he gets to the pre-season.
Another head scratcher. Did they not watch the Super Bowl where their OL just couldn't stop Chris Jones, and their best OT is nearing the end of his career?
About a third of the picks in this first round I just don't get.
What I don’t understand is Bills trading with the Chiefs again and potentially leading them to a great receiver with the pick. Ridiculous when Bills need a receiver and they don’t even have a first round pick.
And they traded back twice, the second time with the Panthers. They did lose a lot of players in free agency and they still need a good WR or two.
Mahomes didn't go downfield so much last season. That's probably about to change.............
Recent wisdom wasn't wisdom at all.
I think its a great move by ATL.
1- if Cousins gets injured
2- bang for the buck (who is goingto be a more affordable, quality back up?)
3- if they win 10+ games with Cousins they won't have a top pick to grab a QB in the next few years
4- Cousins is old, probably OK for a year or two
5- Penix is old for a rook, that might be good
Can see both sides of the argument but can understand why Cousins was caught off guard. They just paid him one hundred million guaranteed............Recent wisdom wasn't wisdom at all.
I think its a great move by ATL.
1- if Cousins gets injured
2- bang for the buck (who is goingto be a more affordable, quality back up?)
3- if they win 10+ games with Cousins they won't have a top pick to grab a QB in the next few years
4- Cousins is old, probably OK for a year or two
5- Penix is old for a rook, that might be good
He's still going to make his money. They told him that they were going to get a QB. He needs to quit being a Rodgers and come to camp ready to be an alfa QB1.
Just another rambling thought from me...
NFL teams make so many stupid decisions (especially with QBs) that we have become accustomed to that being the norm, so when ATL actually does something smart it seems strange.
Really what makes more sense: Penix for $5 MIL or Jimmy G for $35 MIL?!
NFL teams make so many stupid decisions (especially with QBs) that we have become accustomed to that being the norm, so when ATL actually does something smart it seems strange.
Really what makes more sense: Penix for $5 MIL or Jimmy G for $35 MIL?!
Not to restate the obvious as the talking heads even showed the history: his last significant injury was an ACL in 2020. Given the clearance by every combine on medical issues it seems like this is more a talking point for virtual pseudo experts on TV than a reality. Drafting QBs this high is just a bad business decision, historically.
If cyclists weren't chosen for pro teams based on injuries 4 years ago to present time; how many would be competing?
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Very much agree. That, and Atlanta got what Minnesota had tried out and wouldn't pay for: a division title but lackluster playoff outcome in '23, 3rd in the division in '24. The QBs want to be paid like the sole provider so results need to count when a coach considers how long he stays employed. What remains to be seen is how much Cousins ends up costing them?
Penix has the experience of resurrecting a program. If you give him credit for UW's record for the last 2 years you'll note he beat alot of good QBs. Nix twice this year; both championship games.
They're not going sit MPJ an entire season unless he has a disastrous preseason & is clearly not ready. MPJ is the franchise QB for the Falcons moving forward. Arthur Blank must have been "blank in the mind" & delusional when he signed Cousins to that huge contract (remember maybe way back when I said Cousins was a bust & Minnesota would part ways with him).
There's been 2 other QBs drafted 8th OA; Tannehill & Locker. Tannehill was a day 1 starter for the Dolphins supplanting Matt Moore. Locker didn't start day 1 at Tennessee but ended up starting the latter half of the season. MJP is going to be paid a nice rookie contract plus a sweet signing bonus (probably in the neighborhood of $23-$25m), and he's the 3rd highest drafted QB in franchise history behind Vick (1) & Ryan (3).
And don't forget the time tested scenario where the newly drafted 1st round QB is not ready & is "supposed" to sit year under the veteran starter. But by mid-season the team is losing & the boo birds starting screaming for a QB change - and boom - the HC makes that change! (nothing new there - these situations have played out over time & time again).
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I’m always hoping for the “next” Cortez Kennedy (obviously no one will be that good but hopefully close to it) for the interior defensive front. I know folks liked Michael Bennett (what’s not to like—he rode a bike to celebrate a win), But he was a flex inside/outside guy, and didn’t always dominate inside play. Murphy will be interesting to watch develop if nothing else
Agree...the Big 4 should all be given the car keys week #1 barring a bad preseason or an injury.
Remember as we talked about many times, owners want to start winning immediately with their top QB investment. Doesn't matter if the rookie is ready or not - plug him in putting pressure to win right away. No development phase by sitting a year or two & learning. It's all hands on deck & throw the rookie to the wolves. Lol.
I would imagine Nix would be giving the car keys also while the backup emerges from the Wilson & Stidham preseason battle.
Let's get real - no way Payton is going to sit the next "Drew Brees." Lol.
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No question - Xavier Worthy is a speed burner setting the Combine record at 4.21 (faster than the "Cheetah!"). And he caught some nice bombs at Texas last year with that impressive 75 catch season.
It's amazing though Worthy only weighs a buck 65 on a 5-11 frame - that is diminutive by NFL standards! He needs to get in the weight room & put some size on otherwise it's not going to be very pleasant when he gets drilled by these 215 lb monster safeties. Lol.
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Maybe I'm just a bit cynical but players are, to the extent NFL and team Owners can get away with; currency. Having something valuable into a season where injuries are inevitable is always a playable card. Most of those sort of bigger trade plays come when the playoff picture is clear and a team (and coach's job) playoff prospects are very close. Question in this situation is who is trade bait?
Arthur Blank doesn't appear to appreciate the cost of the gesture according to the press.
Jimmy G's 35 mill days are long gone unless he does a Nick Foles for one season.............
What I see is a numbers game, and depth. History shows the best percentage of players who make it in the NFL as starters, and quality platoon players, are in the 2nd through 4th rounds. And none of them are on big $ rookie contracts. Also, Buffalo got killed in the playoffs last year by injuries. Especially when Bernard couldn't play in the AFC div game against KC (and Milano was still out). This fortifies a lot of that concern, at a very reasonable cost. Bernard was a 3rd round pick for example, and an absolute tackling machine for them late last year, plus he can cover.
The Rams are a lot smarter than the (old regime) Raiders, paying JG just $5m.
Then he just threw at least $80m down the toilet. Or was foolish enough to pay $100m (full contract is $160, but $100m guaranteed) for a back-up. Raiders (new regime!), thus got Minshew at an absolute steal of $12m a year.
I'm wondering if the Falcons have serious memory issues. They heard Matt Ryan has retired as a Falcon, and thought, "Oh no! What are we going to do?!" and thus drafted Penix. They quite possibly forgot all about the fact that not only was Ryan long gone, but they just recently paid all that money to Cousins.
Agree that Kirk has little to complain about. This is a business, period. He's also not young. Cash your checks, play your best, then get ready to move on with life when you're on the bench, then released, and Penix is playing.
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I was just using Jimmy G as an example of how much team are willing to pay vets to sit on the bench. Give me the $5 MIL rook over the $15-30 MIL vet every time.
Which bring s me to another thought that I have about rook vs. vet QB2. Who will be hungrier week in and week out? Probably the rook. A vet (ie: Gardner M) might still be pretty hungry if they still want (dream) to be QB1.
Christian Haynes (G) from UCon.
“Smart, tough, reliable,’’ Schneider called the 6-foot-2, 313-pounder.
I hope that he is a little nasty too! The best centers and guards have a streak of nasty in them, IMO.
From NFL.com
"Four-year starter and team captain who is sturdy at the point of attack. Haynes plays with football intelligence and sees every snap as a mandate to move opponents and finish blocks. His draft slotting could be affected by a lack of length and being limited to one position, but his determined playing style counters those factors. He’s not overly rangy but wipes out targets on pulling blocks and is capable in space, and in pass protection. The hand usage can get sloppy, allowing opponents to slip away from him, and he has a tendency to do too much grabbing. All things considered, he might outplay his draft slotting and become a solid NFL starter."
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From Seattle Times:
"The Seahawks earlier this month signed veteran Laken Tomlinson to almost certainly play on the left side and replace Lewis, who signed a four-year $53 million deal with the Panthers.
Earlier in free agency, the Seahawks also signed former UW standout Nick Harris — who can also play guard — to compete at center with second-year player Olu Oluwatimi to replace the departed Brown.
And with that, the Seahawks appear to have the pieces of an interior offensive line to go along with a plentiful tackle spot that includes returning third-year starters Charles Cross and Abraham Lucas, on the left and right sides, respectively, along with veteran free agent George Fant, signed to a two-year deal to add experienced depth."
“Smart, tough, reliable,’’ Schneider called the 6-foot-2, 313-pounder.
I hope that he is a little nasty too! The best centers and guards have a streak of nasty in them, IMO.
From NFL.com
"Four-year starter and team captain who is sturdy at the point of attack. Haynes plays with football intelligence and sees every snap as a mandate to move opponents and finish blocks. His draft slotting could be affected by a lack of length and being limited to one position, but his determined playing style counters those factors. He’s not overly rangy but wipes out targets on pulling blocks and is capable in space, and in pass protection. The hand usage can get sloppy, allowing opponents to slip away from him, and he has a tendency to do too much grabbing. All things considered, he might outplay his draft slotting and become a solid NFL starter."
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- Has four years of starting experience and plays a clever brand of ball.
- Compact and powerful through his upper body.
- Understands angles and accelerates through his targets.
- Gets into blocks with a strong desire to move and finish his opponent.
- Pass sets with good posture and stays square to the action.
- Moves feet to catch counters and twists at either gap."
From Seattle Times:
"The Seahawks earlier this month signed veteran Laken Tomlinson to almost certainly play on the left side and replace Lewis, who signed a four-year $53 million deal with the Panthers.
Earlier in free agency, the Seahawks also signed former UW standout Nick Harris — who can also play guard — to compete at center with second-year player Olu Oluwatimi to replace the departed Brown.
And with that, the Seahawks appear to have the pieces of an interior offensive line to go along with a plentiful tackle spot that includes returning third-year starters Charles Cross and Abraham Lucas, on the left and right sides, respectively, along with veteran free agent George Fant, signed to a two-year deal to add experienced depth."
Tomlinson not the player he was at the 49ers. There were rumors that he or Trent Brown would return to the 49ers but it seems the performances of both last season scared them off. NFC West is going to be interesting as the Rams and Cardinals did well in the early rounds of the draft. 49ers often do their best work in the 4th and 5th rounds and the Hawks will obviously be strengthening their defense and O line.
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