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Uh-hu. I can picture it now. There's a reason no one advertises a restaurant that proudly exclaims a kitchen with "5 unique executive chefs!"

Now for desert, Seattle's own black coffee and pickle juice smoothies.

Don't feel bad though, there are a lot of people who think Mark Davis of the Raiders will hire Jim Harbaugh, and then Antonio Pierce will gleefully accept his old position as linebackers coach, so the team can have them both. Who here wants a demotion after doing a great job? Raise your hands everyone!
 
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Pretty stunning news about Carroll and they are basically a team that is rebuilding. All traces of the old team are pretty much gone except for the coach and one or two players. Sounds like that's what a it's all about. A fresh start with new blood. Maybe they think they need a fresh approach in their division to go against the three much younger coaches. Who knows ?
 
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Pete’s won a SB, been to another the following season, won 5 division titles, been to the playoffs 10 out of the 14 seasons he was in Seattle and had over .600 winning percentage. Sure, the Hawks stagnated in recent seasons, and they missed the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 seasons, but who are you gonna replace him with? I feel they should have kept him as head coach through his contract, which was through next season, and they could have hired new DC and OC coaches that they could have moved up to take his job and he would have retired knowing that there was a successful pass of the baton.

it’s a bummer that they had to part ways and not let him go out on his own terms, even if he the team would have been better off having him resign a couple years ago.

Wonder if the same same fate awaits Belichick…
 
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I would think so. Look at the head spinning news this week: Pete is let go, Vrabel is canned, Saban retires.

Why not Billy next. Lol
 
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I would think so. Look at the head spinning news this week: Pete is let go, Vrabel is canned, Saban retires.

Why not Billy next. Lol

Billy may not go out so quietly. I don’t know when his contract expires, but if he has another season or two, I am sure he’ll retire before he gets canned.

Pete wanted to stay, but it obviously didn’t work. Craft may be more understanding of Bill’s service to the Pats than Jody Allen was of Pete’s to the Seahawks, even with a less successful tenure.

I mean, if the Seahawks lose a lot of their current players, I don’t think an established coach that wants to win right now, would want to take that job. It would have to be a young coach that’s gonna take the reins and make a name for himself. And who will that be? McDaniel? He’s doing quite well with the Dolphins. Shanahan is rolling in SF, McVay has the Rams in an upswing. Vrabel is older than those guys, so would he try to rebuild the Hawks?

Can’t imagine Bill taking over. He’s less than a year younger than Pete so he doesn’t want to waste time rebuilding anything, unless the Hawks just retool and sign some marquee names.

Dan Quinn may be a decent option.
 
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Good post. I'm not surprised Vrabel was fired at all, only that it didn't happen yesterday. He's underperformed two years in a row, and the team will soon be without Tannehill and his contract with Levis taking over. Derrick Henry spoke highly of Vrabel, but he's going to another team too I'm sure. Now is as good as time as anyone for someone else to take over.
I disagree - I'm surprised that he wasn't given one more year. You're absolutely right that he definitely underperformed the last 2 seasons going 7-10 & 6-11 after 3 consecutive seasons of playoffs & 2 division titles.

However, I thought Levis would bail him out but apparently he was not ready to start after a poor preseason (started 3rd string on the depth chart!). Finally, Levis started mid-season for the injured Tannehill finishing the season starting only 9 total games.

So, I figured they would give Vrabel one more year a full season with Levis at the helm. According to one prominent NFL scout, Levis is the next "Brett Favre!" (I kid you not).
 
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He should be looking for a D coordinator if he chooses to stay. They have young studs on D that need some continuity and Pete can't be planning to die in the job.
Looks like the worm turned and Pete still gets paid for an advisory role. He and the GM have done a good job recruiting and developing talent and he could be happy doing that.

That said, this turn of events and Jody Allen's involvement may also signal the imminent sale offering of the franchise. Paul Allen's will required that it be sold and likely money used for foundation benefit. Much of his fortune is vested in medical research so it could be a good long term public goal. Hopefully a strong local purchaser will take over as Seattle doesn't need another Clay (insert appropriate term here) who lied and moved the Sonics to OKC.
 
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Billy may not go out so quietly. I don’t know when his contract expires, but if he has another season or two, I am sure he’ll retire before he gets canned.

Pete wanted to stay, but it obviously didn’t work. Craft may be more understanding of Bill’s service to the Pats than Jody Allen was of Pete’s to the Seahawks, even with a less successful tenure.

I mean, if the Seahawks lose a lot of their current players, I don’t think an established coach that wants to win right now, would want to take that job. It would have to be a young coach that’s gonna take the reins and make a name for himself. And who will that be? McDaniel? He’s doing quite well with the Dolphins. Shanahan is rolling in SF, McVay has the Rams in an upswing. Vrabel is older than those guys, so would he try to rebuild the Hawks?

Can’t imagine Bill taking over. He’s less than a year younger than Pete so he doesn’t want to waste time rebuilding anything, unless the Hawks just retool and sign some marquee names.

Dan Quinn may be a decent option.
Dan Quinn may be a decent option.
I disagree. Really good DC, but not a HC.
 
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Wonder if the same same fate awaits Belichick…
My understanding from reports is that Belicheck is willing to give up all GM duties, and OC and DC duties, he just wants to keep coaching the team. The other thing I read is Kraft is on the fence. He's sensitive about firing Bill, but also hasn't honestly made up his mind what he wants to do.

There are other questions here. If Bill brings in McDaniels as OC, and Vrabel as DC, and they move up a spot or two in the draft to take Drake Maye, will that make Kraft happy? Or does Kraft see a future with Mayo (who has spoken glowingly about a few years now) as HC leading his team into the future? Kraft is also getting older. Is he setting up the team for Jonathan to take over? Or is he going to follow what Al Davis did into senility with numerous bad decisions, and leave a barely prepared son with a mess to pick through?
That said, this turn of events and Jody Allen's involvement may also signal the imminent sale offering of the franchise... Hopefully a strong local purchaser will take over as Seattle doesn't need another Clay (insert appropriate term here) who lied and moved the Sonics to OKC.
I don't see that happening. The Seahawks are fully entrenched in Seattle, with a huge fan base, and Lumen field was upgraded just a couple years ago, new seats, boxes, new field, etc. I am still a little confident the person who will buy the Seahawks is Jeff Bezos. He would be the richest owner in sports history, and could pull out some change between lint in his pocket and buy them tomorrow. He's shown interest in buying an NFL team (Washington) but bailed out of that process of dealing with Snyder, and he's from Seattle. I'm sure the league would welcome Bezos, and rumors are the NFL have talked to him about buying the Seahawks. Article from last April about Bezos interest in the team.

The group at Vulcan (Allen's old company, now a trust dissolving and holding company) have been very mum, but a reporter in Portland seemed to believe the Trailblazers would sell before the Seahawks. In fact, last year Nike founder Phil Knight and his family showed sincere interest in buying the Trailblazers, but the word from Jody was akin to, "not just yet". There are issues with the Trailblazers though, there is a lease on the Moda center where the play that will need renewing, there lacks stability in the front office, and the coach is widely considered one of the worst in the league, and the team sucks, is rebuilding. This all puts the team at a potential diminished value if they were to sell soon. But when will they look like they have a bright future, and how they will get there? Who knows?

Inversely, the Seahawks have never been worth more money than they are now. And while they are heading into perhaps a rough 2024 season, they are not a bad team at all. They have a foundation, several good players, aren't in salary cap hell. So they could easily re-tool and be competitive in 2025 and beyond.
I disagree. Really good DC, but not a HC.
Maybe. He was loved by his players in Atlanta. Everyone, every, single, person, points to them botching that lead in the Super Bowl against New England, but he led his team there, and to the divisional round the following year. Yes, the wheels somewhat fell off after that, but his players in Atlanta were defending him until the very end. Maybe he's learned enough to take the job on, presuming they hire an ace OC, and Schneider continues his magic with draft picks and FA signings?

Dave Canales, Mike Vrable, and Clint Hurtt are other names currently being floated for the HC job. But more will appear.

There's another angle here though. Owners usually like to hire their own staff. So if Jody and Schneier hire, say, Quinn, then sell the team, how does that make sense? Unless a sale is already in discussion, and part of this entire process? There's likely a lot going on behind closed doors we know nothing about.
 
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It appears so! This leaves two questions: Who will be New England's HC as they rebuild? My guess is either Jerod Mayo, or Mike Vrabel.

And where will BB end up? Despite his tenure and record, I can't imagine a whole lot of teams will be clamoring for him. NE had a terrible year, he'd old, gruff, gives the impression of being inexorable. Though his track record obviously speaks for itself. Maybe Atlanta? Their situation seems pretty open. Perhaps the Chargers if they can't secure Harbaugh? Maybe Mark Davis in Vegas will see him as a splashy hire?
 
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There's another angle here though. Owners usually like to hire their own staff. So if Jody and Schneier hire, say, Quinn, then sell the team, how does that make sense? Unless a sale is already in discussion, and part of this entire process? There's likely a lot going on behind closed doors we know nothing about.
That Pete was projected as being past his prime became a topic starting a few years back. The magic Schneider and he executed with the Denver trade bought him some time but I don't recall hearing a full-throated defense of his longevity. His current re-tasking is timely and probably negotiated as the franchise has mostly favored loyalty to their valuable players.
Ownership has the luxury of money, some skill and appropriate patience. Bringing in Dan Quinn or anyone else makes sense if it enhances the assets which could take a year or two. Then the sale could be maximized but your point would rightly suggest they want that success before going to sale, as opposed to a talent Firesale. Jody needs to keep Schneider at all costs.
Bezos would have Seattle money and support. He also has an ego the makes Jerry Jones jealous, not to mention a sh*t ton more cash. I never can tell if support for an existing or prospective owner or is about being a palatable NFL executive or preserving the balance of power at the top ownership.
 
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I think it’s going to be very hard for Belichick to move on to a new team depending on what he wants to keep and give up. But I’d love to see his disciple on the Chargers or heaven forbid Reid does retire and he goes to KC. Patriots are in an even worse spot due to how the team is left and it’s not a destination anyone wants to go to.


In regards to this weekend I’m happy the games I want to watch I can while at work, for my picks I have;
Browns to win by double digits due to their defense and Flacco playing very well,

Dolphins scraping by in a 30 plus game due to Hill popping off, Dolphins keep hammering the run game, and Chiefs driving the ball to take the lead at the end but a drop or penalty kills their season,

Bills to have some dumb turnovers but trounce the Steelers,

Packers to continue their dominance over the Cowboys with a low scoring game,

Lions to hit the Rams with one too many punches and finally tire them out at the end of the game to win with Stafford having a poor game,

And finally Bucs to beat an Eagles team that is falling apart due to so many things while Evans and Godwin feast on the terrible Eagles secondary.
 
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It appears so! This leaves two questions: Who will be New England's HC as they rebuild? My guess is either Jerod Mayo, or Mike Vrabel.

And where will BB end up? Despite his tenure and record, I can't imagine a whole lot of teams will be clamoring for him. NE had a terrible year, he'd old, gruff, gives the impression of being inexorable. Though his track record obviously speaks for itself. Maybe Atlanta? Their situation seems pretty open. Perhaps the Chargers if they can't secure Harbaugh? Maybe Mark Davis in Vegas will see him as a splashy hire?
Who's going to hire a stiff like him? He's 71 & doesn't look in the best of health, IMO. He's also arrogant, crass & obstuse. You can't even understand the guy during the post-game media address with that silly mumbling. Journalists will ask specific questions & you can't make heads or tails of his answers. And he doesn't even look happy coaching (well...I guess if you lost TB & his heir apperents have been nothing but duds, there's not much to be happy about. Lol). I think he would be a GM's nightmare if another team hired him as a HC.

29-38 (1 winning season/0-1 playoffs) in 4 seasons Post-Brady
 
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I think it’s going to be very hard for Belichick to move on to a new team depending on what he wants to keep and give up. But I’d love to see his disciple on the Chargers or heaven forbid Reid does retire and he goes to KC. Patriots are in an even worse spot due to how the team is left and it’s not a destination anyone wants to go to.


In regards to this weekend I’m happy the games I want to watch I can while at work, for my picks I have;
Browns to win by double digits due to their defense and Flacco playing very well,

Dolphins scraping by in a 30 plus game due to Hill popping off, Dolphins keep hammering the run game, and Chiefs driving the ball to take the lead at the end but a drop or penalty kills their season,

Bills to have some dumb turnovers but trounce the Steelers,

Packers to continue their dominance over the Cowboys with a low scoring game,

Lions to hit the Rams with one too many punches and finally tire them out at the end of the game to win with Stafford having a poor game,

And finally Bucs to beat an Eagles team that is falling apart due to so many things while Evans and Godwin feast on the terrible Eagles secondary.
Bills should win but.......in most of their games this season they go off track for a while and a lot of that rides on Allen. Control the ball they should win. Intercepts and fumbles have been a regular issue for them. Bills to win in what might be a low scoring game.

Dolphins need a signature win more than the Chiefs but they have to cut down on the mistakes. Chiefs have become good at winning without playing very well and they are meeting the Chiefs at the right time. They haven't looked like a SB winning team all season.

Browns should win and their good run game and defense should get it done while Flacco will throw enough good passes to keep the scoreboard ticking over. But I give the Texans some chance especially if they can score early.

Packers and Cowboys is all about expectation on the Cowboys. Does Prescott melt down again after having a great regular season. Green Bay could win but I think the Cowboys just.

Lions game is the one that could be more chaotic but the Detroit coach has to control his sometimes iffy impulses and just do what they do well. Run the ball and Goff will get opportunities. if they get sloppy, the Rams will carve them up with Stafford, Nacua, Kupp and Williams.

The Buccs game I expect will be a B grade version of the Rams game. Buccs couldn't score a TD on the Panthers last week, they have no run game and Mayfield has been having ankle issues. That said, the Eagles defense is horrible and their offense is out of sync and they have some injuries. They have imploded since the 49ers beatdown and have lost five of their past 6. Buccs keep the mistakes down they should win and if they do is that the end for Sirianni ?
 
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This will be a game to remember! Players will be fine but the fans will be absolutely miserable. Lol

The playing field will be heated up to 55 degrees - so there shouldn't be a problem with footing & frostbit toes. The stadium configuration should block some of the wind vectors. The kicking game will be more of a factor with the wind.

The players will be in their cold weather gear: face coverings, fleece turtlenecks, cold-weather gloves, thermal leggings. You'll probably still see some hardcore DL or LB in short sleeves showing off his biceps. Lol. And there's the state of the art sideline heaters & helmet warmers. Reid will probably be in an artic parka with a face covering & thermal gloves, and a warm burger waiting for him at halftime. Lol.

The biggest challenge will be keeping a warm football in play for every snap. The officials will have to shuttle balls in pretty quickly. And if a team goes hurry-up offense, that'll be a challenge. With the anticipated wind chills, these footballs will freeze up quickly making it difficult to throw, catch, kick, etc.

It'll be interesting to see if either team substantially alters their game plan with more rushing & a short passing game. However, if the footing is good & the ball can stay warm, Mahomes & Tua may come out throwing like business as usual.
 
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Both teams are capable of running the ball, and throwing quick short passes. But KC's defense is healthy, and far superior.
Dolphins scraping by in a 30 plus game due to Hill popping off, Dolphins keep hammering the run game, and Chiefs driving the ball to take the lead at the end but a drop or penalty kills their season,
You do realize it's going to be about 5 degrees, with 15 mph sustained winds? If one of these two teams scores 30 points I'll be really surprised. Especially Miami. Totally agree we will see mistakes and missed opportunities from both teams.
Packers to continue their dominance over the Cowboys with a low scoring game.
I think the score will be higher. I won't be surprised if this game is close and the referees win it for the Cowboys. For some bizarre reason there is A LOT of hype around Dallas this year. Even though they had a very easy schedule and went 2-3 against teams with winning records, losing by an average of 19 points. One game they were outplayed and should have lost (Detroit). The other winning team they beat? The fading Eagles late in the season.
Patriots are in an even worse spot due to how the team is left and it’s not a destination anyone wants to go to.
For 2024, probably, maybe. But they have over $75m in cap room coming up for this following season. And, get ready for it, $265m for 2025. They only have $60m committed to 2025. The next closest team is nearly double that (Indy). There's almost no one on the roster now with a contract through 2026. This is a dream situation for a GM and HC. Plus, Kraft is an owner willing to spend up to the cap limit, and mostly hand's off, which is a cherry on top. A new GM/HC can draft a top QB this year (or not), plus start rebuilding that terrible OL, start looking at young receivers, while building depth on their DL. They can look ahead not just this coming FA season, but the year after, and after that, knowing they have a plenty of leeway, and a staggering amount of money to play with.
Who's going to hire a stiff like him? He's 71 & doesn't look in the best of health, IMO. He's also arrogant, crass & obtuse. You can't even understand the guy during the post-game media address with that silly mumbling.
LOL! I wondered similar. What did I call him? (looking back at old posts...) "old, gruff" and "inexorable". :D
Still, he's going to appear a shiny object to some desperate owner.

The Mighty Quinn? Lol. Then how about Vic Fangio? Lol

The ran Quinn so fast out of Atlanta after that 0-5 start in the 2020 season. Imagine after just five regular seasons games, the owner is so disgusted he cans you a third into the season...what an embarrassment.
See my previous post. I still think Quinn has the inside track to the HC job in Seattle. Also, apparently Jerry Jones talked to him about giving him a hefty contract to stay on as DC, and he passed, expressing interest in being a HC again.
Buccs keep the mistakes down they should win and if they do is that the end for Sirianni ?
Close to zero chance of this happening. He lost both coordinators, a few players. He'll be fine.