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[Nomad]

Vikings rookie JJ McCarthy out for 2024 NFL season following meniscus surgery

J.J. McCarthy, the Minnesota Vikings' first-round pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, will miss his entire rookie season after surgery revealed a full right meniscus repair was needed.

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Opted for repair over meniscectomy.

It'll be the Sam Darnold show for 2024.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Feel for the kid, but at the same time I was reading yesterday about how it was likely Kevin O'Connell wasn't going to play him much at all even if he was cleared late in the season. In a way, this helps both JJ, and the team out.

O'Connell said he was firm that he wasn't going to just toss JJ out there (before this injury) and he was starting Darnold. There was no competition. JJ would sit, maybe the whole season. However, how many times have we seen impatient owners demand to see "their new prize QB" out on the field? How long could O'Connell argue with Viking owner Ziggy "the biggie" Wilf? What if they were 2-7, the season looking all but lost, and Darnold was playing bad? I could easily see Wilf insisting a healthy JJ start playing.

The injury initially helped O'Connell with an out: 8+ weeks into the season he could simply declare JJ not ready to play, not healthy enough, not enough practice, not enough training, etc. And maybe keep the pressure off, or just toss him out there in the last couple weeks, or just some garbage time late in the season and get away with it. Now, he doesn't have to play him at all.

 

[Nomad]

O'Connell is just saying that...he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's inevitable these hot shot 1st round QBs start sometime during their rookie season as soon as the veteran starts losing games & the boo birds are in full strength. Lol. We've seen this play out time & time again - nothing new there.

Remember Tua was supposed to sit a year & learn under the guru Fitzpatrick. That lasted up to the bye week and with the Dolphins 3-3, Flores made the change & Tua never looked back. Lol. Tomlin had also said Pickett wasn't ready & started Trubisky. That lasted a whole 4 games with the Steelers 1-3 & the faithful calling for Tomlin's job, the switch was made. Last year even 2nd round pick Levis supplanted Tannehill in week #9 starting the remainder of the season for a total of 9 games (this is more funny because Levis had a disastrous preseason & was listed as the 3rd QB on the depth chart behind Malik Willis going into the season opener!).

McCarthy got a sweet rookie contract ($21m/$12.7m signing bonus!), no way was he going to sit a whole year behind who?...Sam Darnold? The bust QB who has hallucinations & sees "ghosts" on the field? The bust QB who is 21-35 in 56 starts with a pathetic QB rating? Lol.

I think O'Connell is going to have to bring in a veteran QB to replace Darnold. The backup currently is Mullins which isn't saying much. The Vikings are a sinking ship before the season has even started. Lol.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Like I said O'Connell got what he wanted, but only because McCarthey got hurt. Otherwise they start losing with Darnold (inevitable), and JJ would be thrown in there.

O'Connell saying Darnold got a bad deal coming into the league, bad coaching, too many teams. All kinds of excuses to rationalize what he's stuck with. I'll be really surprised if all of a sudden Darnold is any good. I don't know if I'd say he's a bust, but he's been below average his entire NFL career. [I forgot he was drafted #3 overall. Unreal. That means he's a bust. Two bust QBs in a row for the desperate Jets. Darnold then Zach Wilson, taken #2 overall, based on one single throw on his Pro day].

I'll even argue Mullens is a better QB than Darnold. But with Nick every throw is a roll of the dice. Too much of a risk taker. One could say Ryan Tannehill would be a good addition. A game manager at this point in his career, but he could have a bit of a Joe Flacco twilight. I'd take Tannehill over Darnold any day.

One report said Herbert still in the walking boot, and while listed as "questionable" for week 1 vs. the Raiders, one has to wonder if he'll play, and when. New coach, new offense, new receivers, new center. So he may get zero practice snaps before the season starts. Joey Bosa out as well for the Chargers.

 

[Oldermanish]

Feel for the kid, but at the same time I was reading yesterday about how it was likely Kevin O'Connell wasn't going to play him much at all even if he was cleared late in the season. In a way, this helps both JJ, and the team out.

O'Connell said he was firm that he wasn't going to just toss JJ out there (before this injury) and he was starting Darnold. There was no competition. JJ would sit, maybe the whole season. However, how many times have we seen impatient owners demand to see "their new prize QB" out on the field? How long could O'Connell argue with Viking owner Ziggy "the biggie" Wilf? What if they were 2-7, the season looking all but lost, and Darnold was playing bad? I could easily see Wilf insisting a healthy JJ start playing.

The injury initially helped O'Connell with an out: 8+ weeks into the season he could simply declare JJ not ready to play, not healthy enough, not enough practice, not enough training, etc. And maybe keep the pressure off, or just toss him out there in the last couple weeks, or just some garbage time late in the season and get away with it. Now, he doesn't have to play him at all.

Some of this sounds like he may have a eviserated meniscus. It that's the case it is a career repair; not a athro/vac cleanout and off you go.

I'm starting to feel the vibe of a written off UW draft pick waiting out there to have a Penix season. Not in Minnesota, though.

 

[SHAD0W93]

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Let’s goooooooooo. I’d definitely go to a Raiders game if Brady came back as the QB.

 

[movingtarget]

O'Connell is just saying that...he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's inevitable these hot shot 1st round QBs start sometime during their rookie season as soon as the veteran starts losing games & the boo birds are in full strength. Lol. We've seen this play out time & time again - nothing new there.

Remember Tua was supposed to sit a year & learn under the guru Fitzpatrick. That lasted up to the bye week and with the Dolphins 3-3, Flores made the change & Tua never looked back. Lol. Tomlin had also said Pickett wasn't ready & started Trubisky. That lasted a whole 4 games with the Steelers 1-3 & the faithful calling for Tomlin's job, the switch was made. Last year even 2nd round pick Levis supplanted Tannehill in week #9 starting the remainder of the season for a total of 9 games (this is more funny because Levis had a disastrous preseason & was listed as the 3rd QB on the depth chart behind Malik Willis going into the season opener!).

McCarthy got a sweet rookie contract ($21m/$12.7m signing bonus!), no way was he going to sit a whole year behind who?...Sam Darnold? The bust QB who has hallucinations & sees "ghosts" on the field? The bust QB who is 21-35 in 56 starts with a pathetic QB rating? Lol.

I think O'Connell is going to have to bring in a veteran QB to replace Darnold. The backup currently is Mullins which isn't saying much. The Vikings are a sinking ship before the season has even started. Lol.

They could always trade for Jimmy G AKA The Scourge of Vegas, at the Rams..........shouldn't cost them much, he's still better than Darnold even though the time at Vegas was horrible. I doubt that the Vikings would want Dobbs back after being replaced by Mullens although after watching Stetson Bennett the Rams might be inclined to hang onto Jimmy...........

 

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Let’s goooooooooo. I’d definitely go to a Raiders game if Brady came back as the QB.

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[Alpe d'Huez]

Throughout history most athletes don't retire anywhere near their prime, they usually have to be completely shown they don't have it anymore. Tom may be a bored, divorced, middle-aged dude who misses the spotlight, and no one ever showed him he didn't have it anymore.

But this is also Tom Brady we're talking about. Imagine he really does get into shape, and 11 weeks into the season the Raiders are 5-5 with an outside shot at the playoffs, and neither QB looks that great. He could pull a Flacco, swoop in, and lead the team to, well, to somewhere!

Tom is 47, btw.

Matt Milano latest casualty in the NFL. Likely to miss most of the season with a torn biceps. Re-tooling year for the Bills I think. They'll always have a shot with Josh Allen. But I think this year may be them seeing which young guys pan out, and 2025 start moving into contender status again.

 

[Nomad]

Zach Wilson, taken #2 overall, based on one single throw on his Pro day.

Yep, the throw that was worth $35m fully guaranteed with a $23m signing bonus. Lol

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/hRHnF5ULFvQ?si=a60NbIekN_m0UG9r

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Chris Brockman on the Rich Eisen show somewhat recently said he thinks Zach Wilson may be in the UFL next season. That would be something if he can't even make an NFL practice squad.

Speaking of the UFL, one QB the Chargers need to look closer at is Luis Perez. He was on the Rams 5+ years ago, but only in the preseason. He's since played for the XFL, AAF, USFL and now UFL, putting up impressive numbers, even on weak teams, winning the XFL championship even. So much so his nickname is The King of Spring. He's bland, but quite intelligent when you listen to him. Because the UFL mic'd up the QBs you could often hear conversations with coaches, or before plays, and he had more command on his team's offense than any other player.

I'm also curious if what Harbaugh said about Kaepernick is really true. In the last several years only one team even gave Kap a workout (Raiders). Kap is still just 36. Why not let him try out? Then if he really is too old, then talk about him being a coach. I think what's bothered me most about him being blacklisted is while I agree he was saying and doing stuff that would have been better said in non-sports interviews in the off-season (wearing a Castro shirt in Florida, and saying it was because Cuba has universal health care?? WTF?). But I used to follow him some and in the last several years he really hasn't said or posted anything controversial, at all. He just talks about civil rights, fundraisers, and historical precedent. This has told me more about the NFL than it has about Kap, unless some owners/GMs/scouts/coaches did actually talk to him off the record in recent times, and found out despite posting tame stuff, he actually still was a powder keg waiting to blow. Who knows??

 

[movingtarget]

Kaepernick hasn't played a game since the 2016 season. That puts him behind Luck, Rivers , Palmer and Brady. Seattle was interested at one point, the 49ers never were. He had one unofficial team workout more for the press but proposed ones always had some conditions attached and it turned into a circus. Don't see it happening for him. Coaching who knows ? Maybe high school like Rivers.

If Josh Johnson can always find a job then Wilson should be able to but Wilson seems to be viewed more like Rosen now who is out of the league. I think Paxton Lynch got canned from the UFL, as well !

 

[movingtarget]

Throughout history most athletes don't retire anywhere near their prime, they usually have to be completely shown they don't have it anymore. Tom may be a bored, divorced, middle-aged dude who misses the spotlight, and no one ever showed him he didn't have it anymore.

But this is also Tom Brady we're talking about. Imagine he really does get into shape, and 11 weeks into the season the Raiders are 5-5 with an outside shot at the playoffs, and neither QB looks that great. He could pull a Flacco, swoop in, and lead the team to, well, to somewhere!

Tom is 47, btw.

Matt Milano latest casualty in the NFL. Likely to miss most of the season with a torn biceps. Re-tooling year for the Bills I think. They'll always have a shot with Josh Allen. But I think this year may be them seeing which young guys pan out, and 2025 start moving into contender status again.

Flacco surprised me last season but got found out in the playoff game.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

If Josh Johnson can always find a job then Wilson should be able to but Wilson seems to be viewed more like Rosen now who is out of the league. I think Paxton Lynch got canned from the UFL, as well !

Another UFL QB signed today. Matt Corral who played for Birmingham picked up by Minnesota. Matt is more well known for putting up good numbers at Ol' Miss, and not playing as a back-up for the Panthers, who cut him last year.

Not to be left behind. Adrien Martinez was the MVP of the UFL, and he's now with the Jets. If Corrall is your classic pocket passer, Martinez is much more mobile. Not saying he's Lamar Jackson, but he is very fleet of foot.

 

[Nomad]

Chris Brockman on the Rich Eisen show somewhat recently said he thinks Zach Wilson may be in the UFL next season. That would be something if he can't even make an NFL practice squad.

The inside scoop coming out of Dove Valley is that Nix will be the starter and Stidham & Wilson will fight it out for the backup job. The question being thrown around is if Stidham wins the backup job (and he should, IMO) will Payton keep 3 QBs on the 53 or ship Wilson to the practice squad subject to being claimed by another team in desperate need of a backup (of course this info is coming from "anonymous" sources within, so take it with a grain of salt).

The other interesting thing - and this is actually coming from Payton - is Wilson is performing quite well making good progress toward making the team. Sources say Wilson's attitude has also been impressive in camp with some attributing that to his closer proximity to his homestate of Utah, support from his fiancee and his new hairstyle (it's gotta be the hairstyle - that can be a game changer for an NFL QB. Lol).

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/QUn5nlKWrcg?si=9PY9mRD9c64JCLJc

 

[Nomad]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/yhq9onQdepw?si=CHUH4SjbAHl0CqG-

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Raiders name Gardner Minshew their starter. But I wonder how seriously someone might be waiting in the wings...

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[jmdirt]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/nQ4ckohpaRg?si=ON9m9fO-wYjReWco

 

[Nomad]

Nix named the starter - no surprises there (this was a foregone conclusion the day he was drafted). Nix becomes the first rookie QB to start week #1 since Elway back in 1983.

But let's see how he does in the opener @ Seattle against actual starters & a defensive scheme designed for him.

So, here we go: It's the Bo Show for 2024.

Nix named QB1, to join Elway in Broncos history

Rookie Bo Nix was named the Broncos' starting quarterback Wednesday.

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[Alpe d'Huez]

Looks like we were right back after draft day saying Williams, Daniels, Maye, and Nix would all start week 1. Regardless of what O'Connell says in Minnesota, I still think there was a chance McCarthey would have started week 1 there too. If the Falcons hadn't made the mistake of giving crazy money to Cousins, Penix would have started for Atlanta week 1 as well. Oh well, both McCarthey and Penix can start week 1 in 2025...along with Ewers, Beck and Sanders (whomever drafts them).

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Too many injuries already to list, but it really is shocking with so many players already going down. It's only a matter of time before the preseason is eliminated, or maybe cut down to 1 game. Just start charging fans a bit more to see joint practices, make the practices in team stadiums. As these injuries continue to pile up, there will be two key factors discussed more and more as the season goes on:

• Depth - Which team has good back-up linemen? 3rd and 4th linebackers? The best nickel and dime DBs? And the killer will be when top QBs are hurt. And how well will that back-up QB be ready? Can you name a single team who has a Nick Foles sitting on their bench right now? Me neither. Flacco with the Colts? Maybe? And no, I don't mean the Panthers would probably win more games with Andy Dalton than Bryce Young at QB.
• Returning players & late season injuries - In December and January which teams will have players returning from IR? Returning from other injuries and truly healthy? Ready to go come playoff time? Which teams will lose key players then? One of the most difficult things to plan for, and make align. How often do you play back-ups early and mid season? How much do you rely on stars to play often, even when seemingly healthy?

 

[Unchained]

Too many injuries already to list, but it really is shocking with so many players already going down. It's only a matter of time before the preseason is eliminated, or maybe cut down to 1 game. Just start charging fans a bit more to see joint practices, make the practices in team stadiums. As these injuries continue to pile up, there will be two key factors discussed more and more as the season goes on:

• Depth - Which team has good back-up linemen? 3rd and 4th linebackers? The best nickel and dime DBs? And the killer will be when top QBs are hurt. And how well will that back-up QB be ready? Can you name a single team who has a Nick Foles sitting on their bench right now? Me neither. Flacco with the Colts? Maybe? And no, I don't mean the Panthers would probably win more games with Andy Dalton than Bryce Young at QB.
• Returning players & late season injuries - In December and January which teams will have players returning from IR? Returning from other injuries and truly healthy? Ready to go come playoff time? Which teams will lose key players then? One of the most difficult things to plan for, and make align. How often do you play back-ups early and mid season? How much do you rely on stars to play often, even when seemingly healthy?

Have not done any reading on your Perez suggestion, but if he is not injured, sign him!!

 

[Nomad]

Looks like we were right back after draft day saying Williams, Daniels, Maye, and Nix would all start week 1. Regardless of what O'Connell says in Minnesota, I still think there was a chance McCarthey would have started week 1 there too. If the Falcons hadn't made the mistake of giving crazy money to Cousins, Penix would have started for Atlanta week 1 as well. Oh well, both McCarthey and Penix can start week 1 in 2025...along with Ewers, Beck and Sanders (whomever drafts them).

If McCarthy didn't start it would have been just a matter of time before a QB change when Darnold started losing games and the Vikings sinking toward the bottom of the division. Lol.

Same situation in Atlanta. Cousins has to win to keep his job this year. I'd say if the Falcons aren't at least .500 by mid-season, you could see a QB change. If the Falcons are losing with Cousins, I don't see how they couldn't make the change with Penix, the #8 OA, biting his time to play & ready to go (in fact, Penix is sitting their last preseason game with Moore saying he's seen enough of Penix's ability to not risk injury in a meaningless game).

And this Falcons team is in bad shape. Their season records in the last 5 yrs are 7-10, 7-10, 7-10, 4-12 & 7-9. How much longer is Arthur Blank going to put up with this nonsense? Like the Broncos in the AFC, they're becoming the laughingstock of the NFC. Despite the big $$$, Cousins isn't the answer or Blank wouldn't have signed off on Penix (they drafted him over the likes of Bowers, Fashanu, Latu, Mitchell, etc - top impact players that are day 1 starters). Cousins' days are numbered - probably sooner than later, IMO.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Well, Perez made the Chargers cut, so that's good. He's in this peculiar place, like a veteran who hasn't played much at all. But played a LOT in spring leagues. But also hasn't been sitting on an NFL team learning their system. So who knows how he'll do. But he was impressive in the UFL and XFL. If nothing else Luis salary just quintupled! LOL!

I'm a little surprised the Chargers cut Duggan and not Stick, who has looked terrible all pre-season (and some Chargers fans say in camp too). Recall he had some bad moments last year as well. Duggan is still young. Someone else will pick him up, at least for a practice squad.

Falcons drafted Penix to start winning in 2025, 2026 and beyond. If they start out like 3-5, he will start playing here in 2024. Believe it. They can simply rip the bandaid off with Cousins and move forward. If Denver can do it with Wilson, they can do the same.

 

[movingtarget]

Well, Perez made the Chargers cut, so that's good. He's in this peculiar place, like a veteran who hasn't played much at all. But played a LOT in spring leagues. But also hasn't been sitting on an NFL team learning their system. So who knows how he'll do. But he was impressive in the UFL and XFL. If nothing else Luis salary just quintupled! LOL!

I'm a little surprised the Chargers cut Duggan and not Stick, who has looked terrible all pre-season (and some Chargers fans say in camp too). Recall he had some bad moments last year as well. Duggan is still young. Someone else will pick him up, at least for a practice squad.

Falcons drafted Penix to start winning in 2025, 2026 and beyond. If they start out like 3-5, he will start playing here in 2024. Believe it. They can simply rip the bandaid off with Cousins and move forward. If Denver can do it with Wilson, they can do the same.

Cousins has 100 mill guaranteed hence the surprise when Penix was drafted for many draft experts. If that happened I'm sure that some teams would still be interested in Cousins especially teams with injured QB's. Or maybe even teams like the Patriots, Steelers or Raiders.