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my old trick used to be ctrl-f and then search in page for a particular rider to see all his standings, or a team name to see how a favourite team where doing.. impossible without the full listings..
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my old trick used to be ctrl-f and then search in page for a particular rider to see all his standings, or a team name to see how a favourite team where doing.. impossible without the full listings..
dimspace said:my old trick used to be ctrl-f and then search in page for a particular rider to see all his standings, or a team name to see how a favourite team where doing.. impossible without the full listings..
Exactly - so handy.
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I was feeling a little sorry for these guys trying to get up a new site and taking a lot of flak for things not being quite as ready as one would hope. And like many others the last 2 days I have been exploring alternative websites for the first time. Then I ran across Bike Radar! Other than than the masthead they are the same. Chimeras. I am bitterly disappointed. I know they are owned by the same company but really give me a break. You take the best cycling website and dress it up like it's ugly little sister.
destroy the villiage to save the villiage
I feel I have to write a little more, especially as the staff has been told not to answer any more forums (I guess) as it was and is getting out of hand. I am sure everyone will get bored and go their seperate ways soon, but a lot that has been said in 500 odd posts is from the heart, except for about three posts.....NO ONE likes this website and it has hit us hard. Everytime I went to my computer it was cyclingnews...I live and breath cycling.....it is like my life has been turned upside down and despair is setting in. I don't want to go anywhere else, but I don't think this new team get it...your site is not very good, in fact it is bad, it fact it now ranks as the worst website I visit...and I hate MSN (having been in the computer industry since 1979). If you are able to comment, please tell us why you want to destroy the villiage to save it?
Kind regards
Peter (pedrospeeps)
krebs303 said:
I feel I have to write a little more, especially as the staff has been told not to answer any more forums (I guess) as it was and is getting out of hand. I am sure everyone will get bored and go their seperate ways soon, but a lot that has been said in 500 odd posts is from the heart, except for about three posts.....NO ONE likes this website and it has hit us hard. Everytime I went to my computer it was cyclingnews...I live and breath cycling.....it is like my life has been turned upside down and despair is setting in. I don't want to go anywhere else, but I don't think this new team get it...your site is not very good, in fact it is bad, it fact it now ranks as the worst website I visit...and I hate MSN (having been in the computer industry since 1979). If you are able to comment, please tell us why you want to destroy the villiage to save it?
Kind regards
Peter (pedrospeeps)
Aaaaagh!! I want to read the live thread!!!!!!!
Just having breakfast - went to read live thread of stage 5 TdSwisse but......nowhere to be found!??????????
Is this to be fixed before the TdF??
DON'T show the results in headline!!
This is beyond a joke!
Just having breakfast - went to read live thread of stage 5 TdSwisse but......nowhere to be found!??????????
Is this to be fixed before the TdF??
DON'T show the results in headline!!
This is beyond a joke!
All good things come to an end....
First and last post. Home page changing next.
That is all, goodbye.
First and last post. Home page changing next.
That is all, goodbye.
Briant said:
Cyclingnews isn't covering the Tour de Suisse live. This would be the same regardless of whether we had the old site or new one - as a result it's completely unrelated and of course we will be covering the Tour de France live, daily.
Cheers
Greg Johnson
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Ok this has been posted in another thread, but seeing as this is the official place to type these, I thought it best to be posted here to.
"I read this website at home on Firefox, whatever the latest version is, as it auto updates, and also in work (on breaks and lunches) via IE5 maybe IE6, yes that is technological progress in a FTSE 100 company.
Now here is my compare and contrast for both platforms, and I could try using IE8 on my home PC, but that involves far too much clicking to look, so will wait till the weekend.
The site at best looks more cluttered, and I can't see the adverts when using the main page except at the top which is where I look for the latest items, compared to the old site. The old site was organised, and less cluttered in that you had better labelling of items, more user content, and those ads for income could be seen down the side without having to scroll half way down the page.
Moving onto to load times, as people have a problem with this, well at work I load the homepage and wait 30 seconds to be able to move the screen up or down, or click a link, considering we use a very, very fast network I find this is ridiculous, though may have something to do with the version of IE the company uses. Actually it must be IE6, as we had it upgraded last year for business continuity reasons. Though we still use MS Office 97, this is not a joke. Now, moving back onto topic, at home Firefox on a similarly fast network downloads pages in less than a second, in complete form without riders positions being cut off, and displayed over more than one line. But this having to "Show More" is a major annoyance, because personally I like to read every result, as it gives me some thoughts on potential future strategy in stage races or looking at riders form. This coupled with the usual race reports is the best way, and this is what you did in simple form.
As far as splitting out the different sporting disciplines, this is a good idea as those who really do not want to read about a certain discipline can then avoid it, but for those like myself and no doubt countless others, having to click on each tab to read results from different disciplines is very time consuming and therefore not something i'd personally look forward to, especially when it comes to the winter for six day events and cyclo-cross.
A further point is the teams and riders database, if I remember correctly it was Theo Muller at http://www.world-of-cycling.com that provided these and other elements such as past winners for some events, that did this each year, and the way it used to be whereby you clicked on to a drop-down menu selected a team and there you go, all the details you need was perfect, now to read about a UCI Continental Team it is necessary to scroll down for what seems like an eternity before checking each team out individually in case I miss it, was never a problem with the UCI code next to the team. Also, with regards to this, the older years like 2000 to 2004 has only the UCI womens teams, and none of the mens, as good as that is for checking out those, i'd like equality for all (makes a change, I think for a guy, to be asking for this).
Other than these points and of course a couple that have been listed prior, such as the photos, oh and the way they were listed as by the photographer, as this would guarantee their recognition and it had their website (if any) to click onto. Would be the improvements you are looking for to bring this back to the best cycling website on the net. Till then, i'm afraid that I will put up with it till a better option comes along. Even then, i'd still check in here once a week just for the forum, which is now the best part of the website, though I still think you could do with members who moderate on top of those who work for Future Publishing/Cyclingnews.com.
That is now definitely all I have to say on this subject, and I hope there is an improvement or even my Future Publishing subscription might get cancelled as this is a bad advertisement for its products."
"I read this website at home on Firefox, whatever the latest version is, as it auto updates, and also in work (on breaks and lunches) via IE5 maybe IE6, yes that is technological progress in a FTSE 100 company.
Now here is my compare and contrast for both platforms, and I could try using IE8 on my home PC, but that involves far too much clicking to look, so will wait till the weekend.
The site at best looks more cluttered, and I can't see the adverts when using the main page except at the top which is where I look for the latest items, compared to the old site. The old site was organised, and less cluttered in that you had better labelling of items, more user content, and those ads for income could be seen down the side without having to scroll half way down the page.
Moving onto to load times, as people have a problem with this, well at work I load the homepage and wait 30 seconds to be able to move the screen up or down, or click a link, considering we use a very, very fast network I find this is ridiculous, though may have something to do with the version of IE the company uses. Actually it must be IE6, as we had it upgraded last year for business continuity reasons. Though we still use MS Office 97, this is not a joke. Now, moving back onto topic, at home Firefox on a similarly fast network downloads pages in less than a second, in complete form without riders positions being cut off, and displayed over more than one line. But this having to "Show More" is a major annoyance, because personally I like to read every result, as it gives me some thoughts on potential future strategy in stage races or looking at riders form. This coupled with the usual race reports is the best way, and this is what you did in simple form.
As far as splitting out the different sporting disciplines, this is a good idea as those who really do not want to read about a certain discipline can then avoid it, but for those like myself and no doubt countless others, having to click on each tab to read results from different disciplines is very time consuming and therefore not something i'd personally look forward to, especially when it comes to the winter for six day events and cyclo-cross.
A further point is the teams and riders database, if I remember correctly it was Theo Muller at http://www.world-of-cycling.com that provided these and other elements such as past winners for some events, that did this each year, and the way it used to be whereby you clicked on to a drop-down menu selected a team and there you go, all the details you need was perfect, now to read about a UCI Continental Team it is necessary to scroll down for what seems like an eternity before checking each team out individually in case I miss it, was never a problem with the UCI code next to the team. Also, with regards to this, the older years like 2000 to 2004 has only the UCI womens teams, and none of the mens, as good as that is for checking out those, i'd like equality for all (makes a change, I think for a guy, to be asking for this).
Other than these points and of course a couple that have been listed prior, such as the photos, oh and the way they were listed as by the photographer, as this would guarantee their recognition and it had their website (if any) to click onto. Would be the improvements you are looking for to bring this back to the best cycling website on the net. Till then, i'm afraid that I will put up with it till a better option comes along. Even then, i'd still check in here once a week just for the forum, which is now the best part of the website, though I still think you could do with members who moderate on top of those who work for Future Publishing/Cyclingnews.com.
That is now definitely all I have to say on this subject, and I hope there is an improvement or even my Future Publishing subscription might get cancelled as this is a bad advertisement for its products."
dimspace said:impossible without the full listings..
Which, as I've posted in this thread and the official update thread, is changing.
Cheers
Greg Johnson
Similar gripes..
Could not get Tour of Swiss results or real-time updates easily.
Did not notice the Astana story until I saw a reference in the forum - it looked like it was buried in a long list of (old?) stories? Bottom line is it was a story I was interested in and I didn't even see it on the new format.
Don't like the way only the top 10 of results show up...
Text is too small and not easy to read.
I agree it's more fluff and flash appearing but harder to easily view news / results.
Remember "new Coke?" That must have cost a bundle compared to what you've invested in this.
I do think you will lose readers - this has been my favorite cycling site but we'll see....
My first thought was to give it a chance and see if it's just a matter of getting used to different, but In this case I am afraid that different is "less good."
Could not get Tour of Swiss results or real-time updates easily.
Did not notice the Astana story until I saw a reference in the forum - it looked like it was buried in a long list of (old?) stories? Bottom line is it was a story I was interested in and I didn't even see it on the new format.
Don't like the way only the top 10 of results show up...
Text is too small and not easy to read.
I agree it's more fluff and flash appearing but harder to easily view news / results.
Remember "new Coke?" That must have cost a bundle compared to what you've invested in this.
I do think you will lose readers - this has been my favorite cycling site but we'll see....
My first thought was to give it a chance and see if it's just a matter of getting used to different, but In this case I am afraid that different is "less good."
Swiss
There was a link for live coverage at one point today, which may be why people were looking for live coverage...
Greg Johnson said:
There was a link for live coverage at one point today, which may be why people were looking for live coverage...
Rupert said:
Ahh right, thanks for that Rupert. I know there was testing of the live system about to commence when I went to bed last night so it must have been related to that.
As I mentioned - for anyone concerned - Tour de Suisse isn't being covered live.
Cheers
Greg Johnson
Good luck with this
This must be a nightmare for you guys... I'm going away on a cycling vacation for 3 weeks and will only be checking the web results occasionally. Hopefully the bugs will be worked out by then and I'll feel good about keeping you as my main source.... Not the case at the moment though, it would be a shame for you to lose a previously loyal readership, which I think has been pretty large. BTW if you really want to feel some hostility, just put in a good word for Lance Armstrong on the Road Forum... That might make you feel better about the redesign reaction...
This must be a nightmare for you guys... I'm going away on a cycling vacation for 3 weeks and will only be checking the web results occasionally. Hopefully the bugs will be worked out by then and I'll feel good about keeping you as my main source.... Not the case at the moment though, it would be a shame for you to lose a previously loyal readership, which I think has been pretty large. BTW if you really want to feel some hostility, just put in a good word for Lance Armstrong on the Road Forum... That might make you feel better about the redesign reaction...
pedrospeeps said:
Peter, this is a perfect example of how people manage to drum up bizarre stories without any facts. I have at no point been asked to stop responding and for days I have continued to answer questions - at times the same question, over and over, but have done so regardless.
I did, however, go to bed from 12:30 AM to 6 AM this morning and it has taken me two hours to get to the office. I'm not going to appologise for actually sleeping after a 17 hour day, nor shall I be apologising for CityRail's shortcomings.
pedrospeeps said:
I don't believe we've destroyed anything. Is the website, as it is right now, perfect? No. Which is why we're working hard on completely rebuilding the race sections, based off your feedback.
Will the old website return? No. But I think we've either have addressed or are addressing the majority of the issues which have gained mass support through these 500 odd posts. The only issue that I can think of at the moment (and I am still waking up) which won't be changing is the spoiler issue.
Obviously, we can't build a website with intricacies that please all users - as we all have our own quirks when it comes to how we consume media. But from this thread I think the common themes are pretty clear on what aspects of the new website need further developing and we're heads-down, bums-up making it happen.
Thanks
Greg Johnson
I was busy at live report time, but yesterday Susan said she was going to do a live report of today's stage. Did it happen or not?Greg Johnson said:
"We're going to do a live report tomorrow for Suisse, so give it a look tomorrow afternoon.
As to the "spoiler" issue: I am on the other side of this. It was always more important to me to know as soon as possible who won. And as a news site, I think we are obligated to put the news up and announce the winner, not hide it.
Susan
(When I say "we" are doing a live report tomorrow, I mean me. I am, shall we say, not particularly technically-talented, so I hope the new system isn't too hard!)"
View..
Not sure it's supposed to look like this - I find it disconcerting and irritating.
I can't put in a photo (need URL?): I see what looks like TDF background (yellow flowers, etc) on the left and right edge..
Not sure it's supposed to look like this - I find it disconcerting and irritating.
I can't put in a photo (need URL?): I see what looks like TDF background (yellow flowers, etc) on the left and right edge..
x0etrem said:
Ahh, we are covering some of the later Tour de Suisse stages. My mistake. I'll get back to you when I find out which ones so you know what to expect - it's not on the schedule I have here.
Cheers
Greg Johnson
Still concerned
Hi Greg
Thank you for you quick response...you know I was joking?? by the way I am part of the Bath Sawday clan living in California!
I am still concerned as I think you guys have completely missed the point of cyclingnews. I am trying to do some background checking to find out when you guys took over etc. I believe the work on this website started a year ago. I am not sure if the time was well spent, I do believe you have destroyed something that was really good and replaced it with something that finds its self at the back of the pack, if not off the back. Only time will tell if all the things said in these post comes true. You should know in a week or two if hits are up, down or sideways. I read between the lines that the old cyclingnews people will go elsewhere and others will come in. Spoilers are not a problem to me, but why are you so fixed that they stay? My problem with this exchange is NOTHING should be beyond fixing, saying it is not changing, not going back puts you in a bad situation and makes your company look silly. Even if you don't mean it you could say...it is all under consideration. I always like to give people a way out, hitting a brickwall is always hitting a brickwalland not good.
I wish you guys good luck with your venture, I am sure you will have new readers and the market will open up again to another cyclingnews, out of....somewhere else in the world...new things come along everyday, I look forward to finding something new.
Kind regards
Peter
Greg Johnson said:
Hi Greg
Thank you for you quick response...you know I was joking?? by the way I am part of the Bath Sawday clan living in California!
I am still concerned as I think you guys have completely missed the point of cyclingnews. I am trying to do some background checking to find out when you guys took over etc. I believe the work on this website started a year ago. I am not sure if the time was well spent, I do believe you have destroyed something that was really good and replaced it with something that finds its self at the back of the pack, if not off the back. Only time will tell if all the things said in these post comes true. You should know in a week or two if hits are up, down or sideways. I read between the lines that the old cyclingnews people will go elsewhere and others will come in. Spoilers are not a problem to me, but why are you so fixed that they stay? My problem with this exchange is NOTHING should be beyond fixing, saying it is not changing, not going back puts you in a bad situation and makes your company look silly. Even if you don't mean it you could say...it is all under consideration. I always like to give people a way out, hitting a brickwall is always hitting a brickwalland not good.
I wish you guys good luck with your venture, I am sure you will have new readers and the market will open up again to another cyclingnews, out of....somewhere else in the world...new things come along everyday, I look forward to finding something new.
Kind regards
Peter
Greg Johnson said:
Gee buddy hate to tell you this but a lot of your readership also has the same woes and works long hours. Stuey O'Grady used to wear a black wristband that had the letters 'HTFU' on it. No one cares about that.
It just seems that you arent listening are you? ....... so people will vote with their feet (or fingers in this case).
I worked for a long time just up the road from Gerard Knapps little hole in the wall upstairs office in Bourke St. Surry Hills and used to ride home after 12-14 hour working days in the dark so I dont really care if you are putting in long days. You operate a 24/7 business, I work in one, everyone has their issues. Get over it.
Anyway I give up you aint listening. Old fart that I am, I am sitting here reading a newspaper although I could probably get it all from the computer, I still prefer a newspaper.
Incidentally, have any of you naughty little cyber geeks actually told anyone that ponied up all that cash i.e. your investors to buy the site what you have done? I dont know if CN is part of a public company, but gee their share price would be plummeting in an already ****e market and there would be some very unhappy people around and some staff sweating bullets if this is the case...
Sayonara. You arent listening, so why should anyone bother. By the way, dont you think a lot of your advertisers are reading this? Do you listen to them, or feed them the same self denying line of BS?
EASIER to navigate?
Cyclingnews WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!! as if this new site is easier to navigate? I come to the homepage to check the latest road results and without even clicking into e.g. "Stage 3" it tells me who's won!!! I don't want that! Then once I click in there I get a ****y little story NOTHING to the extent of what old cyclingnews would've given me! Further, at least on the homepage I could pick "Stages" to see the route profile or "Start list" and these were then EASY to find!! I ask you WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY NOW!!! Also, with the news I dunno what I've read and what I havnt coz its no longer in edition titles. Overall, from my favourite website I visit numerous times per day, a VERY poor performance on the "upgrade", very hard to navigate. 2/10
Cyclingnews WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!! as if this new site is easier to navigate? I come to the homepage to check the latest road results and without even clicking into e.g. "Stage 3" it tells me who's won!!! I don't want that! Then once I click in there I get a ****y little story NOTHING to the extent of what old cyclingnews would've given me! Further, at least on the homepage I could pick "Stages" to see the route profile or "Start list" and these were then EASY to find!! I ask you WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY NOW!!! Also, with the news I dunno what I've read and what I havnt coz its no longer in edition titles. Overall, from my favourite website I visit numerous times per day, a VERY poor performance on the "upgrade", very hard to navigate. 2/10
pedrospeeps said:
Nope. Given some of the things I've had leveled at me this week, your comments were easily believable
pedrospeeps said:
Future Publishing acquired Cyclingnews.com on July 3, 3007 - it purchased the website and brought the existing staff - myself included - with it. However the involvement between Cyclingnews and Future Publishing goes much deeper than that.
John Stevenson, who you'll have seen around this thread and is heavily involved with this project, is one of the original staff members from the Knapp Communications period and was involved with the 2002 re-design. The race sections and photo galleries on this website were all created with tools built by John himself.
Given how strong a relationship our readership have obviously built with that incarnation of the website, I'm confident that - once we get the current problems ironed out - we're only going to build on that and in 10 years time we're probably going to be in the same situation again.
Cheers
Greg Johnson
I agree that the news reports are harder to scan and certainly not as easy to find. Furthermore, the way the individual stage results are presented is very convoluted - the old style with links to previous and upcoming stages was better. Also, I think that needing to reload the whole page when going from picture to picture is really annoying - most good websites simply reload the image area. Also having the whole image be a link to the next image was nice and should be brought back. Finally, having a gallery of the images is way preferable to the tiny thumbnails below the one small image presented in the stage report. I hate to be one of those people who criticize new things, but all this redesign seems to be is one that looks pretty from across the room. As simple as the old website was, it was way more convenient and easy to use.
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