New test for Aicar

[coinneach]

Re: Re:

No info in the linked "article" indicating this is new, except the date. Why would they retest samples from 2013 and not 2014? It's probably some lejdd.fr article from 2014 they've been reading, like this one: http://www.lejdd.fr/Sport/Dopage-la-molecule-Aicar-va-etre-detectee-672707

There has been an Aicar test for quite some time. No one has been reported caught for Aicar, so either the test is crap, no athletes are using Aicar (anymore (and there hasn't been any retesting)), there is a cover up of Aicar positives, they aren't testing for Aicar, they are only requesting Aicar analysis for samples from archers, curling players and/or rally car drivers, or a mix of two or more of the before mentioned hypotesis'.

That would be CURLERS. Sheesh, curling gets no respect even from the clinic.

I respect them, my problem is with the English language. Well, I did respect them, but then some of them decided to go to the golf store to shop for pants.

I hope you realised I was kidding. And you have a very good point about the pants - disgraceful!

ja ja, no worries, the fancy pantsy curling players are from my neck of the woods.

Speaking of Curlers, which we were, Liz Muirhead went from a pogie lass to an Olympic athlete, before getting gold at the last winter games.
But then, you do get thinner when you train properly and watch what you eat.
And I do think she had support of the same nutritionists that were involved with Sky.....
Join the dots (only kidding, Liz)

 

[frenchfry]

Re: Re:

That would be CURLERS. Sheesh, curling gets no respect even from the clinic.

I respect them, my problem is with the English language. Well, I did respect them, but then some of them decided to go to the golf store to shop for pants.

I hope you realised I was kidding. And you have a very good point about the pants - disgraceful!

ja ja, no worries, the fancy pantsy curling players are from my neck of the woods.

Speaking of Curlers, which we were, Liz Muirhead went from a pogie lass to an Olympic athlete, before getting gold at the last winter games.
But then, you do get thinner when you train properly and watch what you eat.
And I do think she had support of the same nutritionists that were involved with Sky.....
Join the dots (only kidding, Liz)

Female curlers are hot!

Nothing to do with this thread, but worth mentioning.

 

[doperhopper]

seeing this in 21st century

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This is where a lot of doping forum talk really is pseudo-science. The pharmacology of doping is incredibly complex: EPO vs. EPO and HGH isn't just the effects of EPO + the effects of HGH. Insulin by itself can be dangerous, but its interaction with other drugs is its purpose. Even benign supplements like iron and it's absorption are hugely affected by vitamin C, and whether it's with a meal. None of us, neither the riders or DS's or owners, really know how their doping program works. The docs have some idea, but even for them it is just more educated guesswork.

It is incredibly complex, and for sure not something to find out browsing pubmed and wikipedia.

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one just wonders about these dark age alchemists... and immediately spots a new market - where is Dopeopedia, collaborative platforms, crowdsourcing, groupon-inzation, uber-ization, bitcoin-anonymized markets, anonymous online doctors paid per result.... whole brave new world waiting for us!

 

[Dear Wiggo]

seeing this in 21st century

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This is where a lot of doping forum talk really is pseudo-science. The pharmacology of doping is incredibly complex: EPO vs. EPO and HGH isn't just the effects of EPO + the effects of HGH. Insulin by itself can be dangerous, but its interaction with other drugs is its purpose. Even benign supplements like iron and it's absorption are hugely affected by vitamin C, and whether it's with a meal. None of us, neither the riders or DS's or owners, really know how their doping program works. The docs have some idea, but even for them it is just more educated guesswork.

It is incredibly complex, and for sure not something to find out browsing pubmed and wikipedia.

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one just wonders about these dark age alchemists... and immediately spots a new market - where is Dopeopedia, collaborative platforms, crowdsourcing, groupon-inzation, uber-ization, bitcoin-anonymized markets, anonymous online doctors paid per result.... whole brave new world waiting for us!

Ever heard of Silk Road?

But seriously, I think Ferrari is still in business, as are a bunch of other banned or ostracized doctors. People respond differently, and you cannot get generic advice and stay safe, IMO. You need to be confident that when you do Hgb readings that you are doing it properly from a health perspective, let alone a HCt rule or ABP point of view.