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"New Test, Introduced Without Warning, Could Give Antidoping Officials an Edge"

on3m@n@rmy said:
Interesting the plastizer test used for the first time at the 2010 ToF has not yet been validated by the WADA. To use an unvalidated test is kind of a surprise tactic. Does anyone know if that has been done before?

Stupid to answer part of my own question (my bad), but the article in the original post did state "Using new tests, often introduced without warning, is a common and effective tactic because athletes who dope are often a step ahead of the drug-testing system."

So now I just wonder where or at what events this has been done.
 
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on3m@n@rmy said:
Interesting the plastizer test used for the first time at the 2010 ToF has not yet been validated by the WADA. To use an unvalidated test is kind of a surprise tactic. Does anyone know if that has been done before?

You gotta keep in mind this test exists and was being used in preparation for being certified. The results of the test were leaked right after Contador's camp called meat contamination. In other words, it wouldn't surprise me if there were other positives, and those results might or might not be leaked as well. But none are really actionable by themselves.
 
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I Love This Statment

I love how Contadors Lawyer says in the artical,

“Alberto does not know that the test was done,” Rodríguez added, “and it was not legal to take his blood to test for this.”

I would think AC and others should be a lil woried if indeed thsi test is used and proves some facts.

Now on with the Lifetime Bans.
 
Johnny Rotten said:
I love how Contadors Lawyer says in the artical,

“Alberto does not know that the test was done,” Rodríguez added, “and it was not legal to take his blood to test for this.”

I would think AC and others should be a lil woried if indeed thsi test is used and proves some facts.

Now on with the Lifetime Bans.
Interesting. Is the lawyer right about it not being technically legal? Anyone knows what the rules say about what the UCI can and can't do with their samples?
edit: nevermind, I continued reading the article :eek:
 
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His Lawyer spoke too soon...

hrotha said:
Interesting. Is the lawyer right about it not being technically legal? Anyone knows what the rules say about what the UCI can and can't do with their samples?
edit: nevermind, I continued reading the article :eek:

Looks like AC's lawyer was engaging his mouth before the brain. It appears it is well within the regulations.

I AC better call up LA and get some advice on a better lawyer.

Speaking of.... I Mr. Pharmstrong has been and Co. have been laying low...
 
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It says that Tyler Hamilton was successfully banned for his transfusions after his defense was exactly the same as what Contador's might be.

But I think the difference here is that one test had been secretively adopted, and this plasticiser test has not even been adopted yet.
 
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Please test Cadel Evans, please. It would make me so happy to see the "Cadel is the only clean rider" Brigade eating some crow.
 
As I recall CERA was tested for and validated the same way. WADA quickly caught up and deemed everything acceptable, as it is indeed well within the code and rules once the tests are known valid.

I'm ready for full retroactive testing for this. Cheating is cheating. Let's punish them as best as we can.
 
thehog said:
Good to see the NY Times is the new L'equipe and reporting on doping.

Dope reporting is the new Facebook.

indeed- they never follow the racers, nor ever have had interest in them, and suddenly they're "experts" in the sport.....

back to the topic-- the Idea of developing new anti-doping tests without making them public was originally suggested by Greg Lemon,but badly mocked & ridiculed by LA, the Hog, the Omerta & the UCI back in the day... so nothing new here-It just happens to be applied to Contador this time around.... -Honestly that approach won't make the step doors of the UCI at all and specially the riders won't be happy to be tested for the "unknown"
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Please test Cadel Evans, please. It would make me so happy to see the "Cadel is the only clean rider" Brigade eating some crow.

+1, test all Sassi's athletes.

I wouldn't make them eat crow, i'd make them eat the flavour of the month..


..steak á la Clen.
 
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Some clarification.

The test is not new, it has been around for years. It is completely valid for testing for plasticizers in the blood. What is still being validated is the level that would trigger a sanction. How much of a spike could there be that could not be explained by normal interaction with the many things that are wrapped in plastics every day.

The article is incorrect about the test that caught Hamilton, it was not a surprise. Hamilton was informed by the UCI in late April of 2004 that not only were his blood values off but they had a new test that showed a mixed blood population. They told him that it would be approved by the Olympics so he better get himself fixed.

There are two other transfusion tests being developed that could also be introduced soon. One would not work on stored samples but the other certainly can.

The best thing about this test is it is super easy and cheap to perform, most labs can do it with equipment they already have.
 
Alpe d'Huez said:
As I recall CERA was tested for and validated the same way. WADA quickly caught up and deemed everything acceptable, as it is indeed well within the code and rules once the tests are known valid.

I'm ready for full retroactive testing for this. Cheating is cheating. Let's punish them as best as we can.

I like Alberto but I get the feeling they knabbed him on the transfusion test during it's testing phase. The Clen positive was the only way they could legally get him. This will go to CAS and by that point the tranfusion test will be valid. He's gone. Shame. Super super nice guy.
 
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This part of the article should have the rest of this year's Tour podium a little worried:

"Scientists are probably using the new test on other riders’ blood samples. Antidoping experts would most likely want to compare Contador’s levels of the plasticizer with those of his peers before moving forward with any charges, said two people with knowledge of the case."
 
rolfrae said:
This part of the article should have the rest of this year's Tour podium a little worried:

"Scientists are probably using the new test on other riders’ blood samples. Antidoping experts would most likely want to compare Contador’s levels of the plasticizer with those of his peers before moving forward with any charges, said two people with knowledge of the case."

They need to test the 2009 samples. Which would mean Lance wins 8!
 
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thehog said:
I like Alberto but I get the feeling they knabbed him on the transfusion test during it's testing phase. The Clen positive was the only way they could legally get him. This will go to CAS and by that point the tranfusion test will be valid. He's gone. Shame. Super super nice guy.

one of the problems i have with cycling is that the rider's get done and the riders need to address that. they are putting their heads on the block. It needs to change, teams need to be sanctioned if 3 or more riders test positive in a calendar year. DS need to be banned. team doctors need to be banned, why just the riders?
 
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Benotti69 said:
one of the problems i have with cycling is that the rider's get done and the riders need to address that. they are putting their heads on the block. It needs to change, teams need to be sanctioned if 3 or more riders test positive in a calendar year. DS need to be banned. team doctors need to be banned, why just the riders?

Can't do that. First of all, the UCI has no jurisdiction over team doctors. Not sure either why you think the guy who drives the car is the ringleader absent any proof during a hearing.

But to answer your question, the reason you ban the cyclist is because they are the ones who took the illegal substance and violated the rules of the sport. Not sure what about that you don't understand.