Next move = UCI

[Fortyninefourteen]

But at the same time, UCI refused to hand over the data showing the purported EPO positive from the 2001 Tour of Switzerland test. They claimed they needed Armstrong's permission, which of course, he refused to grant. So much for Wonderboy having 'nothing to hide'.

I'd love to see that too. Doubt it will happen.

Another thing to consider: How real is the danger cycling gets booted from the Olympics if a UCI appeal is viewed as impeding the fight against doping?

Like I said before...

Remake of Reservoir Dogs, on site in Aigle, Austin, and Luxemboug.

 

[Sarcastic Wet Trout]

They will appeal to CAS based on jurisdiction

There some foreshadow of this based on recent comments:

The questioning then turned to the thorny idea of a general amnesty for dopers, a notion McQuaid floated at the London Olympics but then retracted during a press conference at the world championships in Valkenburg last month.

“There’s nothing in the rules that allows that,” he said. “We work within the rules, within the WADA code, and that’s not allowed.”

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/mcquaid-tight-lipped-on-uci-response-to-usada-reasoned-decision

Sounds like the UCI will become sticklers for 'rules'.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

The UCI may not have made it publicly clear but privately they indicate they will appeal on jurisdiction and perhaps SOL. This is driven by Verburggen, not McQuaid

I think it would be a great move as it would completely expose them. They have to announce by November 1st.

What is "SOL"?
And since you seem to know always what´s going on, i already have to take it as fact that the UCI will appeal. Given.
But if they win it, i am done with cycling, once and for all. Like i did with MLB. I´ll let them know, and then good bye to everybody. I won´t be back here...

 

[sbbefc]

What the uci did was worse than postal imo. They had the power to nip it in the bud and chose not to.

 

[70kmph]

No one knows how the UCI come to a decision ? Hello, anyone

Is it a dictatorship

 

[thehog]

No one knows how the UCI come to a decision ? Hello, anyone

Is it a dictatorship

Very true. They answer to no one. They can do as they please.

 

[D-Queued]

The UCI may not have made it publicly clear but privately they indicate they will appeal on jurisdiction and perhaps SOL. This is driven by Verburggen, not McQuaid

I think it would be a great move as it would completely expose them. They have to announce by November 1st.

From Festina to Lance, Hein is nothing, if not consistent.

UCI defends decision to reduce riders' bans

The president of cycling's governing body vowed Monday to continue the fight against doping in his sport, the day after softening penalties against three riders who admitted taking banned substances.

And, how did he continue the fight? By fighting for Lance to dope, of course.

Dave.

 

[Velodude]

The UCI may not have made it publicly clear but privately they indicate they will appeal on jurisdiction and perhaps SOL. This is driven by Verburggen, not McQuaid

I think it would be a great move as it would completely expose them. They have to announce by November 1st.

And Verbuggen only holds a "ceremonial" position as Honorary President in recognition of past services to the UCI. He has not been elected to any UCI position by a UCI vote that is required for him to participate in UCI decision making.

But without any standing he sits on the management committee in breach of the UCI constitution (with elected President McQuaid apparently in his shadow riding shotgun for him).

If the UCI management committee were to resolve to take the matter to CAS from the inclusion of a vote from Verbruggen then there would be grounds for a UCI member to challenge the validity of the meeting to conduct lawful business.

 

[msjett]

http://www.news.com.au/sport/more-s...e-armstrong-saga/story-fndukor0-1226495448250

This is being reported with a heading Cycling Chief Turns Blind Wheel on the main sport section of this online newspaper.

Apologies if already posted.

 

[thehog]

From Festina to Lance, Hein is nothing, if not consistent.

UCI defends decision to reduce riders' bans

The president of cycling's governing body vowed Monday to continue the fight against doping in his sport, the day after softening penalties against three riders who admitted taking banned substances.

And, how did he continue the fight? By fighting for Lance to dope, of course.

Dave.

Thanks for the link.

This really did make me laugh:

The UCI stepped up the battle by forming an anti-doping work group, funded by national federations, cycling teams and riders.

The group, which includes representatives of the UCI, riders and professional teams, will consider ways of fighting the acknowledged widespread drug abuse among cyclists.

The International Olympic Committee is expected to launch a similar body, dedicated to coordinating drug testing throughout the world, at an anti-doping summit scheduled for next February in Lausanne, Switzerland.

Denmark's Bjarne Riis, winner of the 1996 Tour de France, and 1988 World Champion Maurizio Fondriest of Italy will represent riders on the UCI group.

 

[purcell]

They will appeal to CAS based on jurisdiction

^^ this

i am certain.

 

[TheEnoculator]

They will appeal to CAS based on jurisdiction

They already tried this and Fat Pat got his weewee slapped for contesting jurisdiction. If they do that again, Hein and Pat will both go down with Armstrong and they would look like the corrupt SOBs they already are. 95% chance UCI will do exactly what USADA says.

 

[thehog]

They already tried this and Fat Pat got his weewee slapped for contesting jurisdiction. If they do that again, Hein and Pat will both go down with Armstrong and they would look like the corrupt SOBs they already are. 95% chance UCI will do exactly what USADA says.

I just can't see it. Just say they do go to CAS. Then the case is in a holding pattern for another 6 months. They go to CAS again around Tour time and they argue their points. Then what? What if they win? What do they do? Hold their own investigation? Only take 2 Tours away? Just seems pointless. It actually doesn't matter anymore. Its been damaged beyond repair. The UCI just want to move to the "new generation" of cycling. They can't afford to keep themselves locked down with Armstrong.

 

[Jack Ruby]

If the current UCI leadership disputes jurisdiction and wins and then does not strip Armstrong, would suspect a massive PR backlash.

 

[Tinman]

I think UCI thinks they will take it to jurisdiction.

A few problems with this:
1. IOC will pressure them to rubber stamp now, or toss them out of the olympics. Rogge will be working hard behind the scenes for a rummer stamp as this scandal is about to open the can on other sports and collusion/corruption thereof
2. the USADA case for jurisdiction is on page 159 onwards. According to USADA UCI cannot both claim "discovery" via the Landis email as well as sue him & Kimmage for slander on same.

The battle for what will happen is taking place here on the forum (which is read widely by journo's everywhere) and in the public media over the next week via articles on this. Will media coverage go into UCI complicity (and possibly query sports administrations more widely), or will it remain mostly a Lance Armstrong story.

 

[Tinman]

Is there a connection with UCI taking this to CAS and what is happening with lobbying for legislative change in USA on USADA scope?

Ie. is UCI trying to delay a case ruling by going to CAS?

 

[thehog]

Is there a connection with UCI taking this to CAS and what is happening with lobbying for legislative change in USA on USADA scope?

Ie. is UCI trying to delay a case ruling by going to CAS?

The horse has bolted.

 

[Tinman]

The horse has bolted.

We know that and I agree. But Pat thinks it's a sign of strong leadership to sit this out. And he has no-one telling him not to, unless uncle Jacques can influence him to do so, and/or the media hang him out to dry.

Pat hides behind "the sport is now clean" argument. That cover needs to be blown. Otherwise we are back to Festina. So the Bruyneel/White/Yates/Vino/Ekimov/Riis examples and further digging therein are critical...

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Cycling has 'moved on': UCI chief defiant despite Armstrong saga

McQuaid admitted cycling had suffered "big damage" from the affair but he said better tests meant riders were now much cleaner than previous days, which are in focus since claims targeting Armstrong were released this week.
"The sport has moved on," the International Cycling Union (UCI) president told AFP at the Tour of Beijing. "The peloton today is completely different.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling...strong-saga-20121014-27kmi.html#ixzz29F44IcNW

 

[sartain]

I get that Weisel has been the brains behind it all. He ha been calling all the shots about what to do. I also guess Weisel will dump Armstrong if it gets to close to him.

I wonder does Weisel have a back up plan for that.

I have to agree completely, TW brought the dot com era of Wall Street to the TDF and all of the corruption that went with it. His name has really not been mentioned much outside of the Clinic. We all know that he is deep in this, and behind much of what has happened, along of course with CSE in Austin (BS and BK), and these guys really need to be brought to task.

 

[Tinman]

Richard Pound to AFP via Velonews:

“It is not credible that they didn’t know this was going on,” Pound told AFP in an interview Friday. “I had been complaining to UCI for years.”

Pound, who was head of WADA from 1999 to 2007, said drug testers would visit riders in the early morning, hours before they had to appear for a competition.

“The race starts at 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. in the afternoon and there are no tests prior to the race to see if they are bumped up,” he said.

After races, he said, competitors had an unchaperoned hour before being tested.

“So then you go in and get saline solutions and other means of hiding the effects (of) EPO and whatever else it is,” he said.

“You have to say, ‘I wonder if it was designed not to be successful?’”

Pound’s comments come in the wake of a damning U.S. Anti-Doping Agency report that charged Armstrong with orchestrating the most complex doping scheme in sports history.

...

“Where the rubber really hits the road is with UCI,” Pound said, adding that if the world governing body were to “persist with denial” investigations may spread to the Spanish and Italian pro cycling communities, among others, and “put their whole sport in jeopardy.”

“All these show the same behavior as (U.S. Postal Service) and UCI never seemed to be able to deal with it,” said Pound. “They can’t be so blind to not know this was going on.”

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012...dness-regarding-doping-is-not-credible_261380

 

[Velodude]

Is there a connection with UCI taking this to CAS and what is happening with lobbying for legislative change in USA on USADA scope?

Ie. is UCI trying to delay a case ruling by going to CAS?

Any legislation changes would only be prospective not retrospective. The proper conduct of USADA to date cannot be tampered with by US legislators.

With the ground swell mounting up against Armstrong I would consider he would be damaged goods and toxic to both current sponsors and legislators (and UCI).

 

[jraama]

I could see UCI appealing on grounds of jurisdiction with the intention of enforcing the SOL, even if they ultimately have to find LA guilty. If they succeed, they with not waive the SOL and they can save tours that earned LA his bonus, and prevent SCA from trying to get that back. I suspect they also would only institute a 2 year ban, and they would insist on 2 years for everyone who testified.

I hope I am wrong on that, but it's my gut feeling.

 

[Tinman]

As predicted. Cycling doping scandal now moving to other sports. Tennis via del Moral. Volkskrant from Netherlands, use google translate.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/1163...ingschandaal-Armstrong-treft-ook-tennis.dhtml

This will put more pressure on UCI to rubber stamp USADA case and for Pat/Hein to resign. Via Jaques Rogge. IOC cannot afford scrutiny and mockery on other/all sports. And that's where this is threatening to go.

Time for an elegant solution for Pat & Hein (sports promotion) & move the media onto "solution" mode, ie how cycling is going to go forward under new leadership, etc.

 

[peterst6906]

Time for an elegant solution for Pat & Hein (sports promotion) & move the media onto "solution" mode, ie how cycling is going to go forward under new leadership, etc.

In the end, whatever works is ok for me.

Plenty of other sports have issues to resolve, but if sweeping it all under the carpet by getting rid of Hein and Pat and then moving forward in cycling is achieved that way, great.

My only concern would be, what comes next after Pat goes?